Kerry and Edwards ticket

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:52 pm

I saw on the news that the Kerry and Edwards ticket is the most left-wing liberal ticket in U.S. history. According to voting records in the senate, Kerry is ranked the #1 liberal. Edwards is #4. On paper, they are MORE liberal than a Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton ticket. That's SCARY. I've always been in the middle on my political views. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans. I vote on the canidate I feel is the best, regardless of their party. I hate radical extremist. I saw it on T.V. but here's another source.
http://www.dailynewsbrief.com/news/archives/000278.php

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:00 pm

It's funny, no one really thinks of them that way, and if Bush loses, that is going to be the reason...

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:07 pm

yeah, i don't think most people have a clue how liberal they are. i guess that's just cuz kerry main slogan is, "i'm not bush"...he'll try to be as vanilla as possible in the upcoming months...he's not going to give you any reason why you should vote for him, just reasons why you shouldn't vote for bush...

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:41 pm

It's true, this election is all about Bush. I think it will work for the Democrats, but if something big happens, (i.e. we capture Osama) everything could change in a hurry...

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:15 pm

I think if the new Iraqi government continues to have a high approval rating among the Iraqis and Iraq becomes more stablized, things will go good for Bush.

This is the month of the Democratic convention. Polls always show a boost for the party during the month of their convention. This month's polls will show a significant boost for Kerry. The republicans convention is in August.

A lot of people are unaware of how liberal Kerry and Edwards are, but I think over the next few months, people will find out how liberal they are through the news. I saw it on the O'reilly factor, Hannity and Colmes, and Fox News. I also saw it on CNN and MSNBC. I think that most of the swing voters will finally make up their minds after the debates this fall.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:22 pm

I saw on the news that the Kerry and Edwards ticket is the most left-wing liberal ticket in U.S. history.

At least they can speak English. Have you heard President's Bush's speech when the statue came down? He said, "Your free now and freedom is good (He's making sense so far). Its going to take us a little time to restore chaos out of order (WHAT? :hmm:

). I mean order out of chaos."

And he wonders why people call him an idiot!!!! ROTFALMAO

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:27 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:
I saw on the news that the Kerry and Edwards ticket is the most left-wing liberal ticket in U.S. history.

At least they can speak English. Have you heard President's Bush's speech when the statue came down? He said, "Your free now and freedom is good (He's making sense so far). Its going to take us a little time to restore chaos out of order (WHAT? ). I mean order out of chaos."

And he wonders why people call him an idiot!!!!

i guess you would prefer a president that lies through his teeth over one that stumbles over his words occasionally.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:39 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:
I saw on the news that the Kerry and Edwards ticket is the most left-wing liberal ticket in U.S. history.

At least they can speak English. Have you heard President's Bush's speech when the statue came down? He said, "Your free now and freedom is good (He's making sense so far). Its going to take us a little time to restore chaos out of order (WHAT? ). I mean order out of chaos."

And he wonders why people call him an idiot!!!!

Whatever. Typical Kerrylike post. "I can't defend Kerry, I can't tell you why we should vote for him, or explain why he is such a great canidate so I'll bash Bush."

Bush fumbles with words sometimes, but to write him off for that is pretty shallow. What matters in the presidency is what policies are implemented, the economy, and national security. Public speaking is one skill, management is another. While Bush isn't a smooth talker like Reagan was, I feel he has handled his job well. He graduated from Yale, as did Kerry if I'm not mistaken, so he isn't dumb.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:54 pm

Brandon777 wrote:....to write him off for that is pretty shallow. ...Public speaking is one skill, management is another.

While reading this, I couldn't help but think about a great historic figure... MOSES. He fumbled, bumbled, and stuttered his words, yet was somehow able to lead a great nation that still thrives today! Talk about greatness!

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:27 pm

Anyone who accuses Bush of being stupid or not knowing the English language loses all credibility in my book. Fine, public speaking isn't his forte, but is that really all we look for in Presidents? Do we really want the guy doing voice overs in the commercials to be our President? Stop showing your ignorance and start talking about the issues. Oh wait, that require effort...

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:43 pm

I think Bush is doing an adequate job. If he is replaced, I wouldn't be too upset; however, if he is replaced by the Kerry/Edwards team....our country will go right in the toilet within a matter of 1 year.

Collectively, they simply don't have the experience to adequately run this great country.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:09 pm

Brandon777 wrote:While Bush isn't a smooth talker like Reagan was,

With the teleprompter off Reagan was a deer in headlights. I'm not tryint to bash the guy or anything, just pointing out something I thought was interesting.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:21 am

surferskin wrote:i guess you would prefer a president that lies through his teeth over one that stumbles over his words occasionally.

we already have one of those.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:25 am

Justice Hog wrote:Collectively, they simply don't have the experience to adequately run this great country.

isn't that what democrats said about bush when he ran in 2000? how is a man who has been governor of texas for a short time more 'experienced' in politics than kerry, who's been on the senate since '84?

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:35 am

isn't that what democrats said about bush when he ran in 2000? how is a man who has been governor of texas for a short time more 'experienced' in politics than kerry, who's been on the senate since '84?

You took the words right out of my mouth Joe...except you forgot one thing. Bush Jr. also owned a baseball team before he was governor. That has to count as something to his experience!!!!! :lol:

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:13 pm

joebagadonuts wrote:
Justice Hog wrote:Collectively, they simply don't have the experience to adequately run this great country.

isn't that what democrats said about bush when he ran in 2000? how is a man who has been governor of texas for a short time more 'experienced' in politics than kerry, who's been on the senate since '84?

It is well known that in politics, the job of being a governor of a state is almost the exact same job as president. Both jobs require the same management skills and are similar in structure. They are virtually the same. Thats why most presidents have been governors, NOT from the senate.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:18 pm

General Failure wrote:
Brandon777 wrote:While Bush isn't a smooth talker like Reagan was,

With the teleprompter off Reagan was a deer in headlights. I'm not tryint to bash the guy or anything, just pointing out something I thought was interesting.

I don't think he was reading off the teleprompter when he told Gorby to "TEAR DOWN THAT WALL". That was more forceful than smooth, but I remember Reagan was a great speaker; hence, the name "The Great Communicator". :wink:

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:40 pm

Brandon777 wrote:It is well known that in politics, the job of being a governor of a state is almost the exact same job as president. Both jobs require the same management skills and are similar in structure. They are virtually the same. Thats why most presidents have been governors, NOT from the senate.

I don't think I fully understand what you just said...maybe I did, but I'm not sure.

I think you just said that being a Governor for a couple of years is more experience then being a Senator for 20 years?

Did I read that right?

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:47 pm

My biggest concern is not Kerry. I kind of like him, actually. I just can't stand the idea of Edwards being #2. That's the main reason I used the word "collectively" in my earlier post.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:02 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:
Brandon777 wrote:It is well known that in politics, the job of being a governor of a state is almost the exact same job as president. Both jobs require the same management skills and are similar in structure. They are virtually the same. Thats why most presidents have been governors, NOT from the senate.

I don't think I fully understand what you just said...maybe I did, but I'm not sure.

I think you just said that being a Governor for a couple of years is more experience then being a Senator for 20 years?

Did I read that right?

Governor and President are Executive positions. They operate the same. Senators are legislative positions. Senators don't govern. They vote on bills. The white house and the senate are two different animals. It's apples and oranges. Like I stated earlier, most presidents use to be governors, or served in some form of the executive branch, such as vice president or secretary of state.

Kerry and Edwards hasn't even shown up to vote on issues this year because of their own agenda. They havn't been doing their job. They're afraid of losing their seats if they don't win the presidency. They are more concerned with that than representing their states. That's why Edwards is unpopular in NC now. He has done a poor job representing us. At least Bob Dole gave up his seat when he ran for president. Quit being a smarta$$ :wink:

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joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:51 pm

Justice Hog wrote:My biggest concern is not Kerry. I kind of like him, actually. I just can't stand the idea of Edwards being #2. That's the main reason I used the word "collectively" in my earlier post.

i've been reading quite a bit about how this is a concern for the kerry camp (edwards' inexperience). most analysts are saying that kerry is banking on edwards' youthful energy and ability to speak and debate well. plus, he's likely to help with south votes. sure seems like he's not a slam dunk.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:57 pm

Brandon777 wrote:Kerry and Edwards hasn't even shown up to vote on issues this year because of their own agenda. They havn't been doing their job. They're afraid of losing their seats if they don't win the presidency. They are more concerned with that than representing their states. That's why Edwards is unpopular in NC now. He has done a poor job representing us. At least Bob Dole quit when he ran for president. Quit being a smarta$$ .

if kerry were to vote more often, i have no doubt that some critic would find a way to slam him for not paying enough attention to his presidential campaign. plus, you have to understand what's going on in massachusetts. if kerry steps down, gov. romney (a republican) can legally appoint kerry's replacement, which, one would assume, would be a republican. with the senate rather tight in terms of partisan numbers, it would appear as if kerry is simply trying to not to screw his party over by handing a seat to the enemy.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:58 pm

joebagadonuts wrote:
Brandon777 wrote:Kerry and Edwards hasn't even shown up to vote on issues this year because of their own agenda. They havn't been doing their job. They're afraid of losing their seats if they don't win the presidency. They are more concerned with that than representing their states. That's why Edwards is unpopular in NC now. He has done a poor job representing us. At least Bob Dole quit when he ran for president. Quit being a smarta$$ .

if kerry were to vote more often, i have no doubt that some critic would find a way to slam him for not paying enough attention to his presidential campaign. plus, you have to understand what's going on in massachusetts. if kerry steps down, gov. romney (a republican) can legally appoint kerry's replacement, which, one would assume, would be a republican. with the senate rather tight in terms of partisan numbers, it would appear as if kerry is simply trying to not to screw his party over by handing a seat to the enemy.

What's Edwards excuse? North Carolina's governor is a democrat.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:00 pm

gas money, maybe.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:09 pm

Justice Hog wrote:My biggest concern is not Kerry. I kind of like him, actually. I just can't stand the idea of Edwards being #2.

WATCH IT!!! He's a Carolina Boy. :wink:

Not everyone in NC is unhappy with Edwards.