Don't Be Too Excited

[chalktalk]

Come on man. Believe Believe Believe Believe Believe !!!! THE KING IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy that started this is trying to look at things realistically. He's not trying to spout out the latest catch phrases like you are.

Im sure as a Redskin Fan you would think that Gibbs is a better coach than Parcells.

First of all, who says that? That's not so open and shut as you suggest. Joe Gibbs is 6-11 lifetime against Parcells' coached teams, including the all-important NFC Title game rout by the Giants, 17-0.

Parcells also won 2 Super Bowl titles while Gibbs was coaching in the NFC East while Gibbs won one title on Parcells' watch (in a strike shortened year). Gibbs was also 0-6 in the last 6 times he faced Parcells and 2-9 in his last 11 vs. Parcells before he stopped.

Anything you say in response to that pales in comparison to the FACTS I just brought up.

And look at what he did for Dallas. Dont tell me you think Dallas did that

The reason why they were so successful because they got to beat up on weak teams in the division (Giants and Eagles) for 40% of their wins. Two teams that drafted in the top 5 this year almost made up half their wins a year ago.

JOe Gibbs wont have it so lucky.

We got:
2 capeable Qb's

I like the QBs too, but don't they have to prove it first? Or is this your game of fantasy football? Proof is earning it on the field, not talking about how "capable" they are on the internet.

3 pro bowl caliber O lineman (GO DIRTBAGS and or BIG BODIES!)

Huh? Who? Chris Samuels has played POORLY the last two seasons, Jon Jansen has NEVER made the Pro Bowl and Randy Thomas didnt make it a year ago either. Again, PROVE it before you hand it to them. There's only one way I'm buying it too, and its not from you on the computer, its from them on the FIELD, doing it for 16 weeks.

On D we got:
A better (still not stellar, but serviceable) Dline

Holy rosed-colored glasses. That defensive line is trash. Start naming me worse defensive lines in the NFL, I'm hard pressed to find ANY team.

1 former probowl corner

He's (Springs) a "former" pro bowler for a reason. He was a "bench warmer" for portions of last season because he SUCKED. Seattle fans couldnt stand him because he was costing his team GAMES the last 2 years and the majority will tell you he's past his prime. The difference between Bailey and Springs could be the difference between a good team and a mediocre team, considering the complet lack of a defensive line.

One of the gretest coaching staffs ever assembled. Oh yeah and one more thing.

MR. JOE JACKSON GIBBS.

I've got an interesting stat to provide at this time. In Joe GIbbs coaching career, he was 20-4 against the NFC East Cardinals in his career. One of the NFL's consistently awful teams, he got to beat up on twice a year and pad his record with. Against the Cowboys, below .500. (11-12, 12-12, including playoffs). Against the Giants, below .500 couting the playoffs (12-13). Against the Eagles, a good 16-8 (17-8 counting the playoffs)....

Point is, you take the laughingstock team (Cards) out of the equation (which is what SHOULD be done since Gibbs wont get the lluxary of beating up on them anymore since they are out of the division today) and his career record in the division is a Jim Fassell-like 38-32. And this was back in the era when the Redskins could spend WAY WAY WAY much more money than the majority of teams, back pre-salary cap. The Redskins were always near the top in salary. Today is much more even.

I think the surpise is gonna be the following:

the redskins fans such as this guy who doesnt know much other than to shout slogans is going to learn the NFL is a MUCH MUCH harder place to win at then it was in the 80s, and the coaches of today and teams all around are so much more prepared and every team works so hard. GIbbs was a pioneer in the 80s. Very few worked as hard or analyzed the game quite like he in the 80s. Today? **EVERY TEAM DOES** Its just the nature of the sport today. That's the moral of my story. It aint gonna be easy at all like so many are suggesting.

[chalktalk]

I think a modest season that starts off slow and gains momentum in mid-October to secure a wild card spot is realistic.

However, I would not be surprised if the Skins won the NFC East and had a bye...at the same time they could go 8-8.

Gee, why dont you just get on with it and play *every* card? "I think they can go anywhere from 16-0 to 0-16"

[gambit187]

WHOA

[1niksder]

"I think they can go anywhere from 16-0 to 0-16"

the above quote is why every team and every fan of their favorite team is so optimistic about the upcomming season it happens every year everywhere not just here on this board your point-counterpoint is nothing that hasn't been read here before we will read it ... consider it....then forget about it....we are redskin fan, Gibbs is back and unless he says it or we see it with our own eyes then we won't believe it...that's what true fans do and thehogs.net is where you will always find us true redskin fans

[joebagadonuts]

Point is, you take the laughingstock team (Cards) out of the equation (which is what SHOULD be done since Gibbs wont get the lluxary of beating up on them anymore since they are out of the division today) and his career record in the division is a Jim Fassell-like 38-32.

there's only one record that skins fans will pay attention to: 3-1. that's three superbowl wins and one loss. in 12 years. that's a trip to the big game an average of every three years. THAT is not very jim fassell-like.

[Brad]

While I pray that I'm wrong, I don't think the Skins are any threats for the Super Bowl this year. I would be happy with a 9-7 record. I think that's well within our reach. Believe me, nothing would make me happier than to be wrong on this, but I think it will take time.
This year will be when Gibbs gets us back to respectability.
I think that in Gibbs 3rd year is when we should be back in the Super Bowl.
Granted with free agency and stuff things can change overnight, however, with Gibbs, he's trying to build a TEAM. That takes time and the chemistry most likely will not jell in a single year.
Listen to him talk, he's looking for REDSKINS, not individual players. The foundation he is building is long-term. He's going to do what he needs to do to make us contenders every year. But that does take some time. A 9-7 this year, a 11 or 12 wins the following, and then being serious players for the Super Bowl.
But, you can through out everything I just said if Gibbs gets them into the playoffs this year. With him, anything can happen.

[SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0]

The guy that started this is trying to look at things realistically. He's not trying to spout out the latest catch phrases like you are.

Try this catch phrase. It might sound familiar to you. "I said that Joe Gibbs was the best coach I ever played against." That was from your own Coach Bill Parcells.

First of all, who says that? That's not so open and shut as you suggest. Joe Gibbs is 6-11 lifetime against Parcells' coached teams, including the all-important NFC Title game rout by the Giants, 17-0.

Parcells also won 2 Super Bowl titles while Gibbs was coaching in the NFC East while Gibbs won one title on Parcells' watch (in a strike shortened year). Gibbs was also 0-6 in the last 6 times he faced Parcells and 2-9 in his last 11 vs. Parcells before he stopped.

Anything you say in response to that pales in comparison to the FACTS I just brought up.

Anything I can say huh? Who has the better Winning percentage. GIBBS! .674 to .582. That is not even close. That is almost 100 points. Who has the better winning percentage in the playoffs. GIBBS! .762 to .611 That is not even close, either. And the number that counts above all else Super Bowls. Who wins that one? GIBBS! Not to mention that Gibbs is already in the Hall of Fame, and Parcells isnt it.

The reason why they were so successful because they got to beat up on weak teams in the division (Giants and Eagles) for 40% of their wins. Two teams that drafted in the top 5 this year almost made up half their wins a year ago.

JOe Gibbs wont have it so lucky.

Gibbs does not need luck, my friend. He's got Skill.

I like the QBs too, but don't they have to prove it first? Or is this your game of fantasy football? Proof is earning it on the field, not talking about how "capable" they are on the internet.

Brunnell is proven. He has taken his team to the AFC championship. And he is ranked 9th all time when it comes to passing yard. That is proven. Ramsey is young, up and coming, has all the tools.


By the way If you hve a problem with talking football on the internet, why are you here?

Huh? Who? Chris Samuels has played POORLY the last two seasons, Jon Jansen has NEVER made the Pro Bowl and Randy Thomas didnt make it a year ago either. Again, PROVE it before you hand it to them. There's only one way I'm buying it too, and its not from you on the computer, its from them on the FIELD, doing it for 16 weeks.

Chris was voted as an alternate. And you have seen what he is capeable in the past. Jon Jansen has always been talked about as Pro Bowl caliber, and Thomas was said to be one of the best Gaurds in the league when we signed him, he was an alternate last year.

Holy rosed-colored glasses. That defensive line is trash. Start naming me worse defensive lines in the NFL, I'm hard pressed to find ANY team.

I never saud the line is good. But we have definatley gotten better. We are pretty good against the run, and we will be creative to generate a pass rush.

He's (Springs) a "former" pro bowler for a reason. He was a "bench warmer" for portions of last season because he SUCKED. Seattle fans couldnt stand him because he was costing his team GAMES the last 2 years and the majority will tell you he's past his prime. The difference between Bailey and Springs could be the difference between a good team and a mediocre team, considering the complet lack of a defensive line.

Your just mad because Springs is better than every corner on your roster. He has been to 3 pro bowls. The only reason he was on the bench, was because he was injured. Give him the right coaching and he will return to his regular form.

I've got an interesting stat to provide at this time. In Joe GIbbs coaching career, he was 20-4 against the NFC East Cardinals in his career. One of the NFL's consistently awful teams, he got to beat up on twice a year and pad his record with. Against the Cowboys, below .500. (11-12, 12-12, including playoffs). Against the Giants, below .500 couting the playoffs (12-13). Against the Eagles, a good 16-8 (17-8 counting the playoffs)....

Point is, you take the laughingstock team (Cards) out of the equation (which is what SHOULD be done since Gibbs wont get the lluxary of beating up on them anymore since they are out of the division today) and his career record in the division is a Jim Fassell-like 38-32. And this was back in the era when the Redskins could spend WAY WAY WAY much more money than the majority of teams, back pre-salary cap. The Redskins were always near the top in salary. Today is much more even.

I think the surpise is gonna be the following:

the redskins fans such as this guy who doesnt know much other than to shout slogans is going to learn the NFL is a MUCH MUCH harder place to win at then it was in the 80s, and the coaches of today and teams all around are so much more prepared and every team works so hard. GIbbs was a pioneer in the 80s. Very few worked as hard or analyzed the game quite like he in the 80s. Today? **EVERY TEAM DOES** Its just the nature of the sport today. That's the moral of my story. It aint gonna be easy at all like so many are suggesting.

38-32 is a winning record. I wil take that any day of the week. By the way, if he's 12-12 against you, that means it is split right down the middle.

I dont care if he hasnt coached since the 50s. Winning is winning, and Football is football.

And I never said it was going to be easy. But you better believe that WE WILL BE BETTER!!!!!

I am not saying we will go to the Super Bowl. But I would not be totally shocked if we got there.

[skin_to_the_bone]

We are all pumped for the next season but take some time and think about it. I think most redskin fans believe too much on JGibbs. I know he's a hall of famer but one coach cannot make a 5-11 team to a superbowl champion. For our own good, we should not hope for a superbowl year because, unfortunately I do not believe we will be that good. I will be happy if we have a .500 season or better, which Gibbs should achieve. Say what you want! I'm not at all against the skins or JGibbs. I am as much as a fan as you all are BUT don't be over excited beause you will regret it later. Next season is a transition season even though we have a hell of a team. It takes time for chemistry to occur, and Gibbs will definitly have great, great success in the seasons to come. [/i]

I think you are being fair and very realistic, but in all actuality everyteam is expected to win by their ownership, fans, press, etc. Well, some teams are too dismal, but for the most part it is expected. I would love nothing more than to see us win it all, but I expect to see at least a 9-7 record although I know we can do better. I want to see better than ".500" this year and win the division. Gibbs is that good to make his players trust and believe in his system... he can make that big of a difference .... so I happen to disagree with you. If any coach is gonna step in a have a 5-11 team win it all, he ranks right at the top. Now realistically we should be a threat again to anyteam facing us and it will only get tougher for the oppostion. I think Williams is basically a rental ( but a damn good rental, I might add) because he'll be a head coach again soon. Buges may get his dues again as well. Snyder will back off as long as distaster doesn't stirke and even then he may not get too involved. So to sum it up, I think most of us have set our goals realistally and expect improvement and big changes. Most of us, probably don't see us winning it all. BUT we all know that the players and coaches every day they are on that field have one thing on their minds and that's winning it all.

[chalktalk]

The only thing that dissapoints me with being a Redskins fan is I've felt for years now that a lot of the other fans of this team seem to always be bragging about the Redskins in a constantly obnoxious manner and they always seem to know very little about the game itself (particularly the OTHER teams in the league).

It seems to be an epidemic with a disproportionate amount of fellow fans. There are normal ones. And then there's guys like this.

Try this catch phrase. It might sound familiar to you. "I said that Joe Gibbs was the best coach I ever played against." That was from your own Coach Bill Parcells.

Yep, Parcells did say that. It's a nice compliment to Gibbs. The guy Parcells beat with regularity. (11-6 lifetime, 6-0 the last 6 times they met, and 9-2 the last 11 times they faced, and 1-0 with a shutout in the NFC title game)

Anything I can say huh? Who has the better Winning percentage. GIBBS! .674 to .582.

I responded initally to what you said the first time around, when you insinuated that Gibbs was a better coach than Parcells. Actually, you didn't even insinuate, you just flat out said it.

So if that was the case, I wanted to look at what each has done against the OTHER, and it hasnt been close. Parcells has dominated Gibb's coached teams. 6-0 the last 6 times they faced. 11-6 lifetime. I dont CARE what Joe Gibbs did against the St Louis Cardinals because I dont care if Gibbs is or isnt a better coach than Gene Stallings, for example. Or what he did against any one else for that matter. You said Parcells. So I looked at Gibbs vs. PARCELLS. parcells owned him. Fact. 11-6. Fact.

You bring up career winning percentage, which is the work of a determined, but unfortunately, misguided person. Everyone knows Gibbs retired before the salary cap era of the NFL took effect while Parcells has gone on and coached in this era. When you start comparing the eras, you're comparing apples and oranges. Compare Gibbs to Parcells winning percentage in THE SAME ERA (83-90). I dont even KNOW the data offhand, maybe Gibbs had a better winning % then too. Who knows. All I know is that would be a fairer representation.

In addition, you actually *helped* remind me of another reason why someone would make the case that Parcells is better. His winning % takes a disassociated hit because he's been willing to take on much more difficult tasks than Gibbs ever got involved with. Gibbs has been a head coach of one franchise, a franchise that saw its share of winning for several of the years before he took over in '81.

Parcells has been known to take over destitute franchises that may have required more actual COACHING (teaching) and his value and service to these franchises are without question, but his winning % is more at risk taking on such high risk projects. But his ability to build winners out of nowhere franchises might mean something MORE to people. Such as his work with the Patriots, him taking over the 1-15 Jets, the moribund Cowboys....all legendary rebuilt projects that only strenghten his hold as a superior coach. Gibbs, (anyone?) has never rebuilt so many franchises that were on life support before he arrived.

Brunnell is proven. He has taken his team to the AFC championship.

What? How friggin long ago was that? Shaun King once got to the NFC championship game, want him? What have you done for me lately is the name of the NFL game. Not one opponent cares that the friggin Jaguars once got to the championship game MANY years ago with Mark Brunell.

In fact, if you were to just say hey he's a solid QB, I woulda been fine with that. But dont have the qualifier be he once played in the title game (and lost!) years ago.

Judging by your character, I bet dollars to donuts the same fact that Donovan McNabb (a chief opponent to the skins) has been to the title game yet lost has been fodder for you to make fun of him here. I bet.

Ramsey is young, up and coming, has all the tools.

All the tools? No, Home Depot has all the tools. The guy holds the ball forever, has accuracy issues (sometimes great, sometimes below average) and is slower than a statue. And he sure knows how to lose. Lost a lifetime's worth of games at Tulane (the program quickly became a winner, incidentally, the year he left), and has found a way to lose most his games in the NFL so far too. I like Ramsey a lot, but he doesnt have "all the tools".

Chris was voted as an alternate.

Haha. That and a quarter means absolutely nothing to me. Some guy backed out so they called him up. Gus Frerotte made it to the Pro Bowl as an alternate once too, is he "pro bowl caliber",to quote you? I like Samuels as much as you do, but he hasnt played as a "Pro Bowl caliber" offensive left tackle since 2001. And that's too long of a time to continue calling him that without him REGAINING that moniker on the field. I'm not saying he cant. I think he could. But because the lapse in time is great enough, he needs to proove it again before people like you just decide he is in the springtime-summer (favorite season for most skins fans) of an upcoming campaign.

Jon Jansen has always been talked about as Pro Bowl caliber,

So now that I exposed u on this one, now you're reduced from saying the line has "3 players of pro bowl caliber" to, with regards to jansen, "he has been TALKED about as pro bowl caliber"

Ahh, the majority of Redskins fans. There it is. Real and truthful. Only a master like myself can bring this to life. The reality. "THE PLAYER HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT"

"TALKED ABOUT"
"TALKED ABOUT"

Welcome to the logic of Redskins fans such as this guy. It's all on paper. In conversations. On stat sheets. On fantasy football boards. And at water coolers at work.

BUT ITS NEVER EVER FROM SEPTEMBER TO DECEMBER ON THE FIELD! Until then, I dont care about who's "talked about what" in Redskin fantasy land. That's all Ive heard for YEARS now is what's been hyped up in DC in the spring time when flowers are blooming and there isnt a threat of another football team in the distance.

I never saud the line is good. But we have definatley gotten better. We are pretty good against the run

Is this guy really this bad or am I imagining that he's writing this? "we have definately gotten better and we are pretty good against the run".

Can someone inform this guy that they havent played any GAMES yet! It's summertime in Redskins land, I see. Like every spring-summer. You cant "be better" without demonstrating first. Hello.....

Your just mad because Springs is better than every corner on your roster.

"My roster"? Number one, I dont own a football team. And either do you. I dont have "my own roster". Number 2, I like the same team you do, I'm just a more knowledagble fan than you are and I know its going to be a lot tougher for the Redskins than many of the other fans (like you) have suggested.

I know Springs has played poorly of late. The fact that Springs played in Pro Bowls in the past doesnt mean ANYTHING to me. Nothing. Mike Tyson once was the Heavyweight champ of the world, too. Doesnt mean I think he could ever regain that now.

Here's some comments about Shawn Springs. And they arent from me or you. They're from people who watch him play all the time and they arent from years gone by either, they are from the most recent times he played:

http://tinyurl.com/3x2py
http://tinyurl.com/396lo
http://tinyurl.com/2nypc
http://tinyurl.com/2jddg
http://tinyurl.com/3dp3j

I dont care if he hasnt coached since the 50s. Winning is winning, and Football is football.

No.......

winning is NOT winning and football is not just football. The same ****EXACT**** thing was said in defense of Steve Spurrier when he was hired. Some intelligent people like me saw through his college record while other people (I would loved to have seen what YOU wrote at the TIME of his hiring) said "a winner's a winner, he has and will win anywhere"

Ehh. Wrong.

No one likes Joe Gibbs more than me. No one. I dont need to write his name in big yellow text though. That's not my style. But the NFL is a COMPLETELY different animal than it was in the 1980s. The Redskins had one of the top 5 payrolls in football EVERY YEAR he coached and many teams (like the Packers and the Steelers) never had a payroll that could come close to the Skins.

Today, it's all much more leveled out and the commitment to detail is so strong throughout ALL the teams, that I think the advantages Joe Gibbs had in the 1980s dont exist anymore. Not like they used to. Its going to be so much harder.

Plus...

Plus.....

We havent even mentioned the fact that he's 64 years old and no one......NO ONE......not me, and definatley not YOU knows for sure if he will have the same drive come offseason 04 or 2005 that he did in 1984. You have no clue about that. That's on a wait and see basis ONLY.

This much I know. Where the Redskins were in Decemeber of 2003 was about as low as Id ever seen the whole franchise. They are in a completely different place now thanks to Joe Gibbs return. He brings hope and excitement back to the Redskins when it looked like they needed it the most. But,with it, he brought back these particular fans outta the woodwork again (whom I read in 2000, in 2002, 2003) who want to brag about how great the Redskins aree.....all before they've played a single game, of course.

[1niksder]

ChalkTalk You keep saying you're right and 16-0 0-16 is wrong because we haven't played the games yet well we can't determine who's right and who's wrong until the games are played. You have your opinion and we have ours because we have a more positive opinion than yours doesnt make ours wrong

If Parcell went to teams wanting to rebuild than thats a choice he made (what do the stat-boys of the world do keep the wins and throw out the losses because they were rebuilding)

You where comparing who is the better coach and that was find until the win percentages and playoff win % were shown. at thatpoint you want to forget about every other coach who has walked the sidelines.....(11-6 lifetime, 6-0 the last 6 times they met, and 9-2 the last 11 times they faced, and 1-0 with a shutout in the NFC title game) we read it the first time no need to keep repeating yourself sounds like you're trying to convince ChalkTalk

Brunell not proven what's it goning to take in your mind
how many QB's will Parcell have with his resume

The d-Line will only get better did you see them last year? nuf said

Samuels had a few bad years but did make to the Pro Bowl as a alternate you down played that but how many Tackles were there that didn't even make it as an alternate

Randy and Jon are Pro Bowl caliber Offensive Lineman if you dispute that then we know who's wearing colored glasses and why.

Springs is a former Pro bowler as a matter of fact everyone that made the pro bowl last year will be a former pro bowler

ChalkTalks new point is well taken it's only on paper... but it's getting close to game time then we'll all get our answers and see who's right and who's not right I can't say who's wrong because as a Redskin fan I'll ALWAYS find the positive

[screwgun]

I Believe I believe. There are too many doubters out there. Just sit back and watch the master Gibbs at work. HE Will make belivers out of all of you doubters !!!




The Time Has Come

[Redskins Rule]

I wonder if any of those doubters out there were old enough to remember what Coach Gibbs and Coach Bugel did their last time here.

If you weren't then you got a surprise coming to you!!!!!

[chalktalk]

I wonder if any of those doubters out there were old enough to remember what Coach Gibbs and Coach Bugel did their last time here.

If you weren't then you got a surprise coming to you!!!!!

That was in a football league long, long ago; in a galaxy far, far away.

[BringThePain!]

Chalky, Your opinions are well thought out and are good argument's..... but you discredit anyone who might want to listen to you with quotes like:

Only a master like myself can bring this to life.

and..

Some intelligent people like me....

It's like trying to promote world peace and calling everyone "idiots" along the way.....

Let's all talk like adults here... and jump down any "high horse" we might be sitting on

[BossHog]

That was in a football league long, long ago; in a galaxy far, far away.

I've got underwear and t-shirts older than that, I guess it's all relative.

I'm just curious... if the game is so different, and so far away from what it WAS... why are we comparing stats from back then? Why are those stats informative, if the game itself has changed so much... surely that makes all previous reference points moot?

Gibbs' previous success had as much to do with his personality as it did with his football abilities... what difference does time make? If you talk to almost any former JG player, they will tell you how much Gibbs meant to them as a person, not as a coach... listen to what the players are saying right NOW... and you can already hear that in what they say.

The game may have changed... but it's still played by people.

.... and Joe Gibbs is, was, and always will be, a man with very special people skills.

Ask NASCAR.

It's not like the guy's been sitting on a can... he's been running a motor sports teams with one of the sport's biggest 'prima donnas' at the helm in Tony Stewart... and yet miraculously... somehow the old 64 year old knew how to keep him in check.

I'm not really sure how anyone who was COGNIZANT during Joe Gibbs era could be so glib about his tenure... that is unless, they were but children at the time... is that so? Not trying to insult you... just curious.

[redskincity]

If this is going to continue to be about the Cowboys and Eagles, then can we please start a new thread in the Around The League forum.

This thread WAS about why or why not to be excited about Gibbs' return.

Exactly.


Im excited because last season we lost 7 games by 6 points or less.

We have to much Talent not to win. If we dont win the Super Bowl its only because we need time to gel. If we struggle at the beginning we will turn on strong toward the end.

We will beat Philly in both games thats goes for Dallas also.

[chalktalk]

Gibbs' previous success had as much to do with his personality as it did with his football abilities...

Whatever. Who cares. I'm not going to get into games where there's no way to prove a point being correct or incorrect.

I'm not really sure how anyone who was COGNIZANT during Joe Gibbs era could be so glib about his tenure...

Look, someone made a point about sugesting/stating Joe Gibbs is a better coach than Bill Parcells. All I did was list some (what I consider) strong evidence to the contrary.

That's all I did.

[1niksder]

back on topis...

We are all pumped for the next season but take some time and think about it. I think most redskin fans believe too much on JGibbs. I know he's a hall of famer but one coach cannot make a 5-11 team to a superbowl champion. For our own good, we should not hope for a superbowl year because, unfortunately I do not believe we will be that good. I will be happy if we have a .500 season or better, which Gibbs should achieve. Say what you want! I'm not at all against the skins or JGibbs. I am as much as a fan as you all are BUT don't be over excited beause you will regret it later. Next season is a transition season even though we have a hell of a team. It takes time for chemistry to occur, and Gibbs will definitly have great, great success in the seasons to come. [/i]

Of course, there are naysayer’s or those who question his long absence from the game or his ability to relate to today’s players. Even Gibbs’ humble demeanor often leads one to wonder if he is ready to bring the Redskins franchise back to glory. To the opposing teams, I will say one thing – don’t get caught at the starting line because this engine is just getting started (and I’m not talking about the successful NASCAR empire Gibbs has built). Joe Gibbs, a man of faith, determination, and respect is back to dust off his three Super Bowl trophies, and build a new shelf in the case for the future one’s he plans to add. To the fans - be patient, sit back, and enjoy the ride because things are looking up in Hog country.

http://www.profootballcentral.com/teams/was/index.htm

I think it's good advise for all of us