FO trades down and adds draft picks - BIG TIME

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:52 am

Lets be honest with ourselves and everyone: Allen does not have a good history as GM and he was not a success while in Tampa. The GM moves that he did in the prior year have not help his cause.

With that said, great GMs know how to draft in rounds 3-7, so lets see what he can do.......then again anyone is better than dumb and dumber.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:19 am

I feel like Kerrigan was underrated to go in the late first, so going in the middle is about right. If you watch him on tape, no pass rusher in this draft was more impossible to block. There are questions about his athleticism, but he has experience rushing from the strong side, where he will be playing, and he has a serious motor. Don't be surprised if he puts up really good stats either, because he's going to be going up against Right Tackles all year, and we have all seen how that has worked out for guys like Clay Matthews and Lamar Woodley in their young careers.

We'll just have to see how he is in coverage, where he will probly struggle. Gabbert and Amukamara are crap, IMO. This draft really didn't have anybody without questions aside from maybe Peterson. So I'm happy to trade back.

Also, I would have taken Ingram. And since someone will undoubtedly ask me why I think Gabbert is crap, its because I'm not impressed with his arm strength, pocket presence, footwork, abilities under center, personality, and I'm not even overly impressed with his accuracy, although he's pretty solid there.

He's not terrible but if Luck came out and Locker didn't blow this year, everyone would have been like Blaine who? I guarantee that A) we can find a better qb next year, and B) he would not be better in this offense this year than Grossman or McNabb. When you combine those two facts there is no reason to draft him that high.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:23 am

and to be fair, i doubt that shanny picked this guy solely on his combine performance. I think they liked him, and the combine just verified it. and as markshark said, anything is better than dumb and dumber...

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:45 am

great article on ESPN saying we made a great move....

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... h-kerrigan

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:11 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:The coin is still in the air boys and girls.

It all depends whom we pick in the second round with TWO choices.

Stay tuned. I reserve my opinion until tomorrow night.

Keep my fingers crossed.

I agree - give it another day

:lol:

It is early BUT we did manage to add to our draft picks and we need to bring in a bunch of new, young faces

I'm not really sold on this FO or this staff but they're the only deal we have - we hope that they find a way to get it done - good start IMO

it was a good move to add another pick in the 2nd round - we now need to hope these guys can bring in a couple more guys that can help here

we really need to give these guys a chance and trading down was always the best move - we do NOT need a star, we need a lot of help

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:18 am

RedskinjXd wrote:great article on ESPN saying we made a great move....

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... h-kerrigan

Great article, and my feelings exactly on this pick. This is exactly the guy we need going forward. All of you people on this board crying that we need more "stars" on this team must not have been watching the last 20 years. All we have done has brought in supposed "stars" thru FA only to watch them cash their checks and underperform. What we do need are more lunch pail types like this guy who will bring it every game whether he's making $10 or $10 million dollars. That's one of the reasons I loved the Orakpo pick 2 years ago. The guy eats sleeps and sh--s football. Oh, and anyone who tryes to "grade" a draft immediately following it is extremely naiive and quite arrogant. The fact is noone, not even the experts have an idea how anyones overall draft turned out until at least 2 or three years down the road.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:30 am

So funny you used the term "Lunchpaid" kind of guy. After reading the article, that's exactly what i thought. Great read.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:31 am

markshark84 wrote:Lets be honest with ourselves and everyone: Allen does not have a good history as GM and he was not a success while in Tampa. The GM moves that he did in the prior year have not help his cause.

With that said, great GMs know how to draft in rounds 3-7, so lets see what he can do.......then again anyone is better than dumb and dumber.

Or even better one's can find starters who are undrafted or are on the practice squad at the beginning of the year...
Cough cough, Armstrong, Torrain cough cough

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:47 am

PAPDOG67 wrote:
RedskinjXd wrote:great article on ESPN saying we made a great move....

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... h-kerrigan

Great article, and my feelings exactly on this pick. This is exactly the guy we need going forward. All of you people on this board crying that we need more "stars" on this team must not have been watching the last 20 years. All we have done has brought in supposed "stars" thru FA only to watch them cash their checks and underperform. What we do need are more lunch pail types like this guy who will bring it every game whether he's making $10 or $10 million dollars. That's one of the reasons I loved the Orakpo pick 2 years ago. The guy eats sleeps and sh--s football. Oh, and anyone who tryes to "grade" a draft immediately following it is extremely naiive and quite arrogant. The fact is noone, not even the experts have an idea how anyones overall draft turned out until at least 2 or three years down the road.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:55 am

Good pick. Great job of moving back a bit and getting an additional 2nd rd pick.

- So we've addressed a glaring need with a hard working, high motor guy. The anti-Haynesworth.

- We got an additional high pick that will help us fill another hole with young talent.

I can't say that I'm shocked to see so many getting all butt-hurt over nothing. He hasn't... Jeez, he hasn't even... SMH. LOL I won't waste my breath.

Good job Allen and Shanny. Im looking forward to the rest of the draft and FA to see who we move. I bet we move McRibb and load up on next years draft picks too.

The future is looking like it has some structure and vision. Who knows where we'll end up but no point in getting all salty over nothing.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:59 am

Great article, and my feelings exactly on this pick. This is exactly the guy we need going forward. All of you people on this board crying that we need more "stars" on this team must not have been watching the last 20 years. All we have done has brought in supposed "stars" thru FA only to watch them cash their checks and underperform. What we do need are more lunch pail types like this guy who will bring it every game whether he's making $10 or $10 million dollars. That's one of the reasons I loved the Orakpo pick 2 years ago.

So you don't like "stars", but you love the Orakpo pick, even though he was a "star" at UT? Your post is absurd. We haven't sucked because we've brought in "star" players; we've sucked because we've brought in the wrong ones. Peyton Manning is a "star", so would you not want him on the team? How about Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Clay Matthews, or Patrick Willis? Yea, it would really suck to have "stars" like that on the team. :roll:

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:14 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Great article, and my feelings exactly on this pick. This is exactly the guy we need going forward. All of you people on this board crying that we need more "stars" on this team must not have been watching the last 20 years. All we have done has brought in supposed "stars" thru FA only to watch them cash their checks and underperform. What we do need are more lunch pail types like this guy who will bring it every game whether he's making $10 or $10 million dollars. That's one of the reasons I loved the Orakpo pick 2 years ago.

So you don't like "stars", but you love the Orakpo pick, even though he was a "star" at UT? Your post is absurd. We haven't sucked because we've brought in "star" players; we've sucked because we've brought in the wrong ones. Peyton Manning is a "star", so would you not want him on the team? How about Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Clay Matthews, or Patrick Willis? Yea, it would really suck to have "stars" like that on the team.

Canes you are totally off on my comment. Anyone who goes in the 1st round of the draft better be a "star" at his college. I liked Orakpo because the guys brings it every day, in practice, in the weight room, in film study....he's wasn't some big time prospect who was just looking to cash in, which unfortunately happens pretty regularly in the NFL. There are plenty of guys who once they get drafted and get their loot, loose the desire that got them there. Go see JaMarcus Russell for one. Also, I'm sure I would love to bring in any one of those players you mentioned if they were available, but they're not....did we not bring in a "star" in AH?? How's he worked out for us? McNabb?? Primetime?? Man he was awesome for us wasn't he? Deangelo Hall? How's he doing??? and please don't tell me about the pro bowl MVP. The guy gets beat more than Whitney Houston did in her marriage to Bobbi Brown. He's a lazy SOB who takes a lot of plays off and is afraid to tackle. He is one of the "stars" I am talking about when I say we would be better off without him. I could go on and on.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:21 am

I don't think that's the type of player's he's referring too. Clay Matthews didn't come out as a star. He made himself into a star. And by the way, NFL.com's analysis say's Kerrigan is a Matthews type guy.

Just guessing but I think he's talking more about the Dion Sander's coming out of college type guy. Rebuilding this team, we don't need anyone like that. We have enough guys currently on the team that can fill that role.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:26 am

Although I have my doubts about Kerrigan in coverage, I think we made a good move. If we knock it out of the park with our second round picks, this move looks great. I'll wait and see. I hope Kerrigan turns into the next Kevin Greene.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:00 pm

The Hogster wrote:Although I have my doubts about Kerrigan in coverage, I think we made a good move. If we knock it out of the park with our second round picks, this move looks great. I'll wait and see. I hope Kerrigan turns into the next Kevin Greene.

As a Big Ten fan I think he's a great choice for our need. While Quinn was knocked for playing on a strong D and having his best games against weaker opponents, Kerrigan has just been unblockable against good teams when you know he's "the" guy to block. He's all over stuffing the run, chasing down the QB. Though I do agree I don't really know about pass coverage. But with Orakpo on one side and him on the other, blocking's going to be an issue for our opponents.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:48 pm

Sooo... all you who are concerned about him in pass coverage...

How is Clay Matthews in pass coverage?
If he showed up in B&G, would you tell him to go home?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:00 pm

We did what a lot of us here thought was best for the franchise - we traded the pick - now we have added Kerrigan - I'm hopeful that we can get some other guys for the defense as well - that nose takle Paea looks like he'd be a good fit too - the defensive line needs help guys - we saw what happens last year when you don't have the players to suit the scheme

let's just wait and see what these guys do with the next 2 picks and then the rest of the draft

this was a good start IS ALL - we still need more - DUH :lol:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:05 pm

The Hogster wrote:Although I have my doubts about Kerrigan in coverage, I think we made a good move. If we knock it out of the park with our second round picks, this move looks great. I'll wait and see. I hope Kerrigan turns into the next Kevin Greene.

it's like a puzzle - we just need to find the right right pieces and then help them learn to be a good fit - this was a good start

we need help and it looks like these guys might be making some good decisions for this franchise

we still have more picks, free agency and some players to trade when the mess gets cleared up :roll:

it's a good start

JCaptMorgan12 · Post by **JCaptMorgan12** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:16 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Fairly is a one year wonder who has a lot of video that he takes a lot of plays off (See Albert) and Prince has a knack for dropping INT's. We have/had (pending CBA) in that in Rogers. Keep in mind that Orakpo was a DE at TX, not OLB. He converted pretty well IMO.

at least someone else (frankcal20) has some sense on this board... i cannot believe everyone writing off Kerrigan already, as if Gabbert and Fairley are proven, and have already excelled at the NFL level? oh wait, that's right, they haven't even played a down yet... Since 1999, here are the QBs taken in the 1st round and then notable (have had just as good, if not better, careers then the 1st rounders) QBs taken in later rounds:

1999
Tim Couch (1st)
Donovan McNabb (1st)
Akili Smith (1st)
Daunter Culpepper (1st)
Cade McNown (1st)

2000
Chad Pennington (1st)
Marc Bulger (6th)
Tom Brady (6th)

2001
Michael Vick (1st)
Dree Brees (2nd)

2002
David Carr (1st)
Joey Harrington (1st)
Patrick Ramsey (1st)
David Garrard (4th)

2003
Carson Palmer (1st)
Byron Leftwich (1st)
Kyle Boller (1st)
Rex Grossman (1st)

2004
Eli Manning (1st)
Philip Rivers (1st)
Ben Roethlisberger (1st)
J.P. Losman (1st)
Matt Schaub (3rd)

2005
Alex Smith (1st)
Aaron Rodgers (1st)
Jason Campbell (1st)
Kyle Orton (4th)
Derek Anderson (6th)
Matt Cassel (7th)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (7th)

2006
Vince Young (1st)
Matt Leinart (1st)
Jay Cutler (1st)
Bruce Gradkowski (6th)

2007
JaMarcus Russell (1st)
Brady Quinn (1st)
Kevin Kolb (2nd)

2008
Matt Ryan (1st)
Joe Flacco (1st)
Colt Brennan (6th) - just making sure you're paying attention

2009
Matthew Stafford (1st)
Mark Sanchez (1st)
Josh Freeman (1st)

2010
Sam Bradford (1st)
Tim Tebow (1st)
Jimmy Clausen (2nd)
Colt McCoy (3rd)

Throug 2008 (since the last two years cannot really say whether or not they have flopped yet or will flop, I would say 11 QBs taken in the first round turned out to be good, and 17 have flopped (at least to this point in their careers). So, just because a QB gets picked, or is available in teh 1st round, doesn't mean squat when you look at whether or not they have suceeded. Lets give Kerrigan some time out there, and then make the call...

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:26 pm

people saying he's not good in coverage don't understand the zone blitzing scheme. Neither of Pittsburgh's OLB's are that great in "coverage". They don't need to be. Neither do either of our LB's. You drop back into a zone and fire from a different position. You have to be able to cover in the flat's which isn't the same thing as being in a man. You have to be good at pursuit which now both of our OLB's are.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:57 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:
markshark84 wrote:Lets be honest with ourselves and everyone: Allen does not have a good history as GM and he was not a success while in Tampa. The GM moves that he did in the prior year have not help his cause.

With that said, great GMs know how to draft in rounds 3-7, so lets see what he can do.......then again anyone is better than dumb and dumber.

Or even better one's can find starters who are undrafted or are on the practice squad at the beginning of the year...
Cough cough, Armstrong, Torrain cough cough

Don't forget Banks as return man.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:29 pm

So much trading!

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:09 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:The coin is still in the air boys and girls.

It all depends whom we pick in the second round with TWO choices.

Stay tuned. I reserve my opinion until tomorrow night.

Keep my fingers crossed.

I agree - give it another day

It is early BUT we did manage to add to our draft picks and we need to bring in a bunch of new, young faces

I'm not really sold on this FO or this staff but they're the only deal we have - we hope that they find a way to get it done - good start IMO

it was a good move to add another pick in the 2nd round - we now need to hope these guys can bring in a couple more guys that can help here

we really need to give these guys a chance and trading down was always the best move - we do NOT need a star, we need a lot of help

I do not feel that we wil know exactly how productive this Draft will be until the regular season starts. We do not know exactly how many drafted players will make the roster this season BUT ...

... I am delighted with this strategy. It is creative, it makes the team younger and hungrier, it is more competitive during preseason. There are alot of things to like.

This was a COMPLETELY different strategy compared to last year's Draft. I like it. I like it A LOT.

SkinsFTW · Post by **SkinsFTW** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:12 am

Skins picked up 6 picks by trading down 6 spots and getting who they probably would have drafted anyway. (The best part is Jerry Jones at 9 sitting there watching for the phone to ring and picking only after time was up because nobody called)

They may have taken Quinn instead of Kerrigan but maybe not. We got Hankerson already from that trade down and 5 more picks later.

Primarily we gained a 3rd, 4th and 2 5ths from that move. We are going to see a lot of competition and hopefully a lot of turnover on the team.

Remember Shanahan has grabbed guys like Brandon Marshall and Elvis Dumervil, and Mike Anderson late in the draft. He's also had years like 2004 with a ton of picks and nobody at all came out of it. So maybe it's just going to give us some competition. I'd bet we get at least 2-3 guys from rounds 3-7 though considering how bad the team is overall.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:08 am

The Hogster wrote:I really hope Kerrigan proves me wrong. But, he's more Jared Allen than Clay Matthews. In short, he's a talented 4-3 end, but I'm not sure he can play OLB--pass coverage especially.

We convert to a 3-4 defense and then take a 4-3 end.

I really don't know what all the fuss is about. No one had a problem when we took a college 4-3 DE and turned him into a 4-3 SAM. Teams take smaller college 4-3 ends all the time (and Kerrigan is too small to play DE in the NFCE in a 4-3) and turn them into 3-4 OLBs all the time. Orakpo made the transition from college DE, to SAM, and then OLB and all he did was make the PB as SAM and as a OLB.

Kerrigan may or may not be able to make the transition to OLB, but lets not act like this doesn't happen all the time. Most 3-4 OLBs were DEs in college and most 3-4 OLBs can't cover and are rarely asked to cover.

So how about we let the kid play a season or two before we say he can't do something that college players do all of the time.