How does John Beck fit into the Redskins’ QB search?

[SkinsJock]

What do you know about Beck to make your opinion? On this site, if you make an opinion, people are going to challenge you as to what you base your opinion. IMO, your opinion is baseless - you have not even used the classic - it is my "gut" feeling or something like - Beck hasn't played a down for three teams since his last start, so there is no way that a guy in that situation could possibly believe that he could be a starter. I would counter that with look who he is competing with - Grossman. Look what he is doing - working with Drew Brees and on his own to get better. He might think the O is a great fit for him and he has a year under his belt to have learned it and the rest of the off season to continue learning more of it. Whether he ends up starting is one issue but you saying. he doesn't believe he will be the starter is an "opinion" that is raising eyebrows because you have provided absolutely nothing to back it up. Of you don't have to and if you don't mind me badgering you to do so, then we are fine, because as you see, I don't mind badgering you.

It's not a big deal to me at all

my "mind reading" is based on 2 things - John Beck and Mike & Kyle - i think that Beck is fine but I think he must have learned something about how these guys treat QBs from this past 12 months and I don't think that he thinks they really will give him the job

No coach brings a guy in to remain the 3rd QB. That is a developmental position. If the guy doesn't develop, out his goes and in comes another. If he shows promise, he stays on, so far Beck has stayed on and we will find out in pre-season where he is.

I'd agree to a point - I think they brought him in and I doubt he's had much of a chance to show that he's jumped from #3 to #1 - we'll see

these guys don't seem all that excited about him but maybe he's progressed amazingly well

Ok, why do you think that he is a contributor? What has he contributed thus far to the Redskins? You admit that you don't know a whole lot (I would guess you don't know much about anything about him) about Beck, but you want to make opinions, based on nothing, about what is in his mind, can you see that that doesn't make much sense? If Beck gets on that field and beats out the competition, why would the Shanahans "give" him what he earns - I would hope that they are like that.

I'm not saying that Beck will not be the starting QB if he beats out all the other QBs that these guys are going to try here - I'm just saying that I don't think that he can suddenly be that guy and I think he knows that he's not going to be the best QB that these guys have - he'll try but he's just not shown that since he got into the NFL and now he's 30

I think he's done all that has been asked of him and he's a #3 QB - he's 30 and normally you have shown enough by the age of 30

these 2 guys are not interested in anything but what is best for them and the Redskins - I just doubt that Beck has shown them that he's their starting QB

I just think that Beck's not going to be the starting QB based on what he's shown and based on who he's got for a OC and HC

now if he's the only QB here, he'll be the starter maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's happening


it's really just my feeling about this guy and this franchise right now - it's absolutely not a mean't to be a knock on him - it's just these guys and this situation

I just don't see Beck as our #1 QB in week 1 - not happening, IMO

[SkinsJock]

can we start a thread on what's possibly going on inside Haynesworth's head, if anything

How are you in Beck's head and not Haynesworth's or any other Redskin's head. Better yet! How about Shanny's head? Now, that would be a lot of fun.

I'm not in anyone's head at all - I never claimed that I was a mind reader - I'm just posting what I think

Mike the HC and Mike the FO guy - I wonder which one is better for this franchise

[Red_One43]

What do you know about Beck to make your opinion? On this site, if you make an opinion, people are going to challenge you as to what you base your opinion. IMO, your opinion is baseless - you have not even used the classic - it is my "gut" feeling or something like - Beck hasn't played a down for three teams since his last start, so there is no way that a guy in that situation could possibly believe that he could be a starter. I would counter that with look who he is competing with - Grossman. Look what he is doing - working with Drew Brees and on his own to get better. He might think the O is a great fit for him and he has a year under his belt to have learned it and the rest of the off season to continue learning more of it. Whether he ends up starting is one issue but you saying. he doesn't believe he will be the starter is an "opinion" that is raising eyebrows because you have provided absolutely nothing to back it up. Of you don't have to and if you don't mind me badgering you to do so, then we are fine, because as you see, I don't mind badgering you.

It's not a big deal to me at all

my "mind reading" is based on 2 things - John Beck and Mike & Kyle - i think that Beck is fine but I think he must have learned something about how these guys treat QBs from this past 12 months and I don't think that he thinks they really will give him the job

No coach brings a guy in to remain the 3rd QB. That is a developmental position. If the guy doesn't develop, out his goes and in comes another. If he shows promise, he stays on, so far Beck has stayed on and we will find out in pre-season where he is.

I'd agree to a point - I think they brought him in and I doubt he's had much of a chance to show that he's jumped from #3 to #1 - we'll see

these guys don't seem all that excited about him but maybe he's progressed amazingly well

Ok, why do you think that he is a contributor? What has he contributed thus far to the Redskins? You admit that you don't know a whole lot (I would guess you don't know much about anything about him) about Beck, but you want to make opinions, based on nothing, about what is in his mind, can you see that that doesn't make much sense? If Beck gets on that field and beats out the competition, why would the Shanahans "give" him what he earns - I would hope that they are like that.

I'm not saying that Beck will not be the starting QB if he beats out all the other QBs that these guys are going to try here - I'm just saying that I don't think that he can suddenly be that guy and I think he knows that he's not going to be the best QB that these guys have - he'll try but he's just not shown that since he got into the NFL and now he's 30

I think he's done all that has been asked of him and he's a #3 QB - he's 30 and normally you have shown enough by the age of 30

these 2 guys are not interested in anything but what is best for them and the Redskins - I just doubt that Beck has shown them that he's their starting QB

I just think that Beck's not going to be the starting QB based on what he's shown and based on who he's got for a OC and HC

now if he's the only QB here, he'll be the starter maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's happening


it's really just my feeling about this guy and this franchise right now - it's absolutely not a mean't to be a knock on him - it's just these guys and this situation

I just don't see Beck as our #1 QB in week 1 - not happening, IMO

I appreciate the thoughtful answers to my questions. I will comment on one thing that you said:

"I think he knows that he's not going to be the best QB that these guys have."

My guess is our QB situation going into pre-season (assuming that there is one) is Grossman, Beck and rookie draftee. Based on what you know about the history of both Grossman and Beck and knowing that Beck has been putting in the time with Drew Brees and that both QB's showed up to the player workouts, what is the probabilty of Beck unseating Grossman as number 1? Zero, Low, Medium or High. (Assuming that my scenario is correct - because if Bulger some other vet is brought in - the stakes are changed especially if there is high round rookie drafteee).

[Red_One43]

can we start a thread on what's possibly going on inside Haynesworth's head, if anything

How are you in Beck's head and not Haynesworth's or any other Redskin's head. Better yet! How about Shanny's head? Now, that would be a lot of fun.

I'm not in anyone's head at all - I never claimed that I was a mind reader - I'm just posting what I think

Mike the HC and Mike the FO guy - I wonder which one is better for this franchise

Fair enough!

[KazooSkinsFan]

i think that Beck is fine but I think he must have learned something about how these guys treat QBs from this past 12 months and I don't think that he thinks they really will give him the job

Your whole line of thinking is wrong. Beck is not analyzing if they are going to give him the job strategically, he's thinking he's going to go out and win it and not give them a choice. I seriously doubt Brady fretted about if they'd give him Bledsoe's job and whoever is the Pats backup now isn't thinking that about Brady.

Any quarterback in the NFL thinks they should be #1 and it's up to them to win it and if they don't they aren't going to even make the team. And particularly if they think winning the job is what their coach thinks of them before camp and if they are inclinced to award it to them or not.

[Countertrey]

:lol: I'm all alone here with my thinking

But this is a good thing!

I just don't see them thinking that Beck is going to be their starting QB - I haven't seen or heard anything about this 30 year old QB that he's got what it takes to be the starter here in the regular season coming up

True, but I think that is at least one of the reasons the author posted this thread is we have only one QB on the roster with a long term contract, but very little has been said about him and that him is Beck.

I understand that Beck thinks he's going to be the starter - the difference in opinion is just my feeling that he doesn't really, deep down, think that he's going to get that job - especially given what he has seen here this past year
I totally agree that I really don't know what Beck is thinking - it's just my opinion

The problem that I see with this opinion it appears to go beyond opinion and into mind reading. What do you know about Beck to make your opinion? On this site, if you make an opinion, people are going to challenge you as to what you base your opinion. IMO, your opinion is baseless - you have not even used the classic - it is my "gut" feeling or something like - Beck hasn't played a down for three teams since his last start, so there is no way that a guy in that situation could possibly believe that he could be a starter. I would counter that with look who he is competing with - Grossman. Look what he is doing - working with Drew Brees and on his own to get better. He might think the O is a great fit for him and he has a year under his belt to have learned it and the rest of the off season to continue learning more of it. Whether he ends up starting is one issue but you saying. he doesn't believe he will be the starter is an "opinion" that is raising eyebrows because you have provided absolutely nothing to back it up. Of you don't have to and if you don't mind me badgering you to do so, then we are fine, because as you see, I don't mind badgering you.

I will say that it's possible, given that he might have shown something - I just don't think that Mike or Kyle will give him the job - I think they brought him in to be a #3 and unless a lot has changed, I don't see them making that move

No coach brings a guy in to remain the 3rd QB. That is a developmental position. If the guy doesn't develop, out his goes and in comes another. If he shows promise, he stays on, so far Beck has stayed on and we will find out in pre-season where he is.

I actually kind of like John Beck - I don't know a whole lot about the guy - he's here, he's a Redskin, I think he's a contributor and I hope that he's good enough to be a part of the roster - I just don't think that these guys will give him the top job - they are not like that.

Ok, why do you think that he is a contributor? What has he contributed thus far to the Redskins? You admit that you don't know a whole lot (I would guess you don't know much about anything about him) about Beck, but you want to make opinions, based on nothing, about what is in his mind, can you see that that doesn't make much sense? If Beck gets on that field and beats out the competition, why would the Shanahans "give" him what he earns - I would hope that they are like that.

Once again, I agree with you that that most likely won't happen, because it is rare for a 3rd QB to make that kind of move form third to first unless they were a stud #1 draft choice.

Badger? Did you say, Badger???

[Red_One43]

:lol: I'm all alone here with my thinking

But this is a good thing!

I just don't see them thinking that Beck is going to be their starting QB - I haven't seen or heard anything about this 30 year old QB that he's got what it takes to be the starter here in the regular season coming up

True, but I think that is at least one of the reasons the author posted this thread is we have only one QB on the roster with a long term contract, but very little has been said about him and that him is Beck.

I understand that Beck thinks he's going to be the starter - the difference in opinion is just my feeling that he doesn't really, deep down, think that he's going to get that job - especially given what he has seen here this past year
I totally agree that I really don't know what Beck is thinking - it's just my opinion

The problem that I see with this opinion it appears to go beyond opinion and into mind reading. What do you know about Beck to make your opinion? On this site, if you make an opinion, people are going to challenge you as to what you base your opinion. IMO, your opinion is baseless - you have not even used the classic - it is my "gut" feeling or something like - Beck hasn't played a down for three teams since his last start, so there is no way that a guy in that situation could possibly believe that he could be a starter. I would counter that with look who he is competing with - Grossman. Look what he is doing - working with Drew Brees and on his own to get better. He might think the O is a great fit for him and he has a year under his belt to have learned it and the rest of the off season to continue learning more of it. Whether he ends up starting is one issue but you saying. he doesn't believe he will be the starter is an "opinion" that is raising eyebrows because you have provided absolutely nothing to back it up. Of you don't have to and if you don't mind me badgering you to do so, then we are fine, because as you see, I don't mind badgering you.

I will say that it's possible, given that he might have shown something - I just don't think that Mike or Kyle will give him the job - I think they brought him in to be a #3 and unless a lot has changed, I don't see them making that move

No coach brings a guy in to remain the 3rd QB. That is a developmental position. If the guy doesn't develop, out his goes and in comes another. If he shows promise, he stays on, so far Beck has stayed on and we will find out in pre-season where he is.

I actually kind of like John Beck - I don't know a whole lot about the guy - he's here, he's a Redskin, I think he's a contributor and I hope that he's good enough to be a part of the roster - I just don't think that these guys will give him the top job - they are not like that.

Ok, why do you think that he is a contributor? What has he contributed thus far to the Redskins? You admit that you don't know a whole lot (I would guess you don't know much about anything about him) about Beck, but you want to make opinions, based on nothing, about what is in his mind, can you see that that doesn't make much sense? If Beck gets on that field and beats out the competition, why would the Shanahans "give" him what he earns - I would hope that they are like that.

Once again, I agree with you that that most likely won't happen, because it is rare for a 3rd QB to make that kind of move form third to first unless they were a stud #1 draft choice.

Badger? Did you say, Badger???

badger

–verb (used with object)
6. to harass or urge persistently; pester; nag: The mean, parasitic, leech of a lawyer raised an objection that the mean, bottom-feeding, carp of lawyer was badgering the witness.

Yup! I said badger.

I also want to point out that I meant no offense to any of those wonderful badgers in that video that I may have been offended by my use of that name to describe what I was doing.

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

[KazooSkinsFan]

Actually:
badger

–noun
a current or former resident of a state or attendee of a State college who possesses wolverine envy

[1niksder]

What do you know about Beck to make your opinion? On this site, if you make an opinion, people are going to challenge you as to what you base your opinion. IMO, your opinion is baseless - you have not even used the classic - it is my "gut" feeling or something like - Beck hasn't played a down for three teams since his last start, so there is no way that a guy in that situation could possibly believe that he could be a starter. I would counter that with look who he is competing with - Grossman. Look what he is doing - working with Drew Brees and on his own to get better. He might think the O is a great fit for him and he has a year under his belt to have learned it and the rest of the off season to continue learning more of it. Whether he ends up starting is one issue but you saying. he doesn't believe he will be the starter is an "opinion" that is raising eyebrows because you have provided absolutely nothing to back it up. Of you don't have to and if you don't mind me badgering you to do so, then we are fine, because as you see, I don't mind badgering you.

It's not a big deal to me at all

my "mind reading" is based on 2 things - John Beck and Mike & Kyle - i think that Beck is fine but I think he must have learned something about how these guys treat QBs from this past 12 months and I don't think that he thinks they really will give him the job

Beck learned that McNabb won't be back, Grossman got a 4 game audition that wasn't all that hot, and all the off-season talk has been about the Redskins needing a starting QB. He never said they would give it to him, he said he wanted a opportunity. They "gave" the job to McNabb when they brought him in, then gave it to Rex later on. I think he has learnd what Happens when Mike gives you the job.

I'm not in anyone's head at all - I never claimed that I was a mind reader - I'm just posting what I think

Actually you were posting what you said Beck was thinking.

Mike the HC and Mike the FO guy - I wonder which one is better for this franchise

Only time will tell

Badger? Did you say, Badger???

That was just wrong

Actually:
badger

–noun
a current or former resident of a state or attendee of a State college who possesses wolverine envy

So was that

[Red_One43]

Actually:
badger

–noun
a current or former resident of a state or attendee of a State college who possesses wolverine envy

Allow me to restate:

I also want to point out that I meant no offense to any of those wonderful, current or former, residents of a state or attendees of a State college, who possess wolverine envy, depicted in that video that I may have been offended by my use of that name to describe what I was doing.

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

[jeremyroyce]

I actually like the idea of seeing what John Beck can do. We have already seen what Rex has done and I don't understand how he can still be on a roster in the NFL. If they do trade, or release McNabb and draft a QB this year then I would love to see someone else in there other then Rex

[Red_One43]

Badger? Did you say, Badger???

That was just wrong

Even I have to admit that that was a good one.

[Red_One43]

I actually like the idea of seeing what John Beck can do. We have already seen what Rex has done and I don't understand how he can still be on a roster in the NFL. If they do trade, or release McNabb and draft a QB this year then I would love to see someone else in there other then Rex

I am with you on this one. I really hope that there is a pre-season so he will get a chance to show what he can do.

[SkinsJock]

I hope we get to see John Beck playing a fair bit in camp and during whatever pre season games we play

I would love for him to prove that he's a lot better than he's had a chance to show so far here - we can use all the help we can get at the QB position

actually I hope and expect the coaches to give a lot of younger guys every chance to make the roster and push the better players to be even better

[yupchagee]

:celebrate: welcome back!

well we did get to 4 pages & I did manage to look completely hopeless at contributing anything to the thought process here

there's something there but I can't even see that



can we start a thread on what's possibly going on inside Haynesworth's head, if anything

I think THAT would have to be in Smack

[yupchagee]

Off hand, I can't think of a QB who became a 1st time starter at age 30.

[Hooligan]

Off hand, I can't think of a QB who became a 1st time starter at age 30.

Not a 1st time starter, but Steve Young played two god-awful seasons for the Bucs before he was declared a bust and traded. The 49'ers saw something in him, traded for him, and he spent the next few years backing up Joe Montana before taking over the starting job... at age 30.

Close, right? John Beck is almost Steve Young.

SUPERBOWL

[1niksder]

Off hand, I can't think of a QB who became a 1st time starter at age 30.

He started in Miami

[Red_One43]

Off hand, I can't think of a QB who became a 1st time starter at age 30.

He started in Miami

Excellent observation. I have to admit, I also, in an earlier post, missed that.

So far, the closet I can come up with is Kurt Warner at 28, but he had AFL and NFL starter experience so I am not so sure he first the bill either.

[Red_One43]

Off hand, I can't think of a QB who became a 1st time starter at age 30.

Not a 1st time starter, but Steve Young played two god-awful seasons for the Bucs before he was declared a bust and traded. The 49'ers saw something in him, traded for him, and he spent the next few years backing up Joe Montana before taking over the starting job... at age 30.

Close, right? John Beck is almost Steve Young.

SUPERBOWL

Great Analogy! Love it!

[yupchagee]

Off hand, I can't think of a QB who became a 1st time starter at age 30.

He started in Miami

Oops

[SkinsJock]

OK! - so Beck says he thinks he'll be the starting QB for the Washington Redskins - IMO, that's a good thing

I'm most likely way off base with this, but, I will be very surprised if Mike or Kyle will put Beck in the position of being the starting QB for the Washington Redskins in the next regular season game


I'm done with the prediction business as it applies to this particular star QB of the Washington Redskins - if he can manage to be the starting QB for the first game it will be because he's a whole lot better QB than he has shown so far - that's a very good thing for this franchise, but I just dont expect that to happen - I'd love to be wrong about that - we'll see

we are going to need someone at QB for that game - I just don't agree with Beck's thinking that it's going to be him

[CanesSkins26]

if he can manage to be the starting QB for the first game it will be because he's a whole lot better QB than he has shown so far

Shown so far to who? When exactly have you seen Beck play? Obviously Shanahan saw something about Beck that he likes since he traded for him. The guy is a former 2nd round pick and you make it seem like he is some sort of scrub.

[SkinsJock]

sorry about that - I have not seen Beck play and I did not mean to make out like he's "some sort of scrub"

I think the reason Mike and Kyle brought Beck in was because he looked like a QB that showed promise - he's here and he just might be a really good QB - I just don't think that he's going to be starting the first regular season game this year as he indicated he would

Let's set the record straight
I LIKE JOHN BECK AND HOPE HE CAN BE A VERY GOOD QB FOR THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS

It would be great if he can be the starting QB here until the next great QB is ready to play -

i don't think he will be but he could be AND he's here and under contract

[SkinsJock]

... Obviously Shanahan saw something about Beck that he likes since he traded for him. The guy is a former 2nd round pick and you make it seem like he is some sort of scrub.

au contrair - I think Beck IS a good QB - BUT, he is 30 years old

Canes, do you think Beck's going to be the starting QB here in the first regular season game?