how a Browns draft day could hurt Washingtons day Thursday

[NFLDraftfan]

ive been thinking about this for a few days, Browns GM Tom Heckart said he has 2 guys he is targetting at 6, most think AJ Green and Patrick Peterson. What if both are gone? Cleveland could make a draft deal with Dallas so they could get Quinn or Fairley ahead of SF and Tenn and improve their Pass Rush, Cleveland could trade down and target Alabama WR Julio Jones at 9 which takes Jones off the board for Washington who most think is their #1 Target and would be a HUGE help. it also takes away Washingtons chance of trading with say St. Louis so they would be able to jump up and get Jones. OR Cleveland could just take Jones at 6

[Countertrey]

I don't know that it's accurate to say that the Redskins are "targeting" Jones... it's more likely that they recognize that he may be the best player available who also meets a need. I suspect their preferrence would be to trade down for picks. If they can't find a trading partner, and Jones is the best on the board, there is an excellent chance that they take him. There are a number of other needs that could be filled with one of several of the top players.

[SkinsJock]

I'd agree - We have many needs and having Jones "available" at #10 is just a fantastic opportunity for us to be able to trade the pick - I would say that the best thing for Washington is to have Jones available at #10 just so we can trade the pick

[frankcal20]

Nailed it guys. That's exactly what I was thinking. There are so many high calibre players in this year's draft that I think that we're actually lucky b/c no matter what we do with the 10th pick, we're set to go regardless. Trade down, best player available, etc. Will be anxiously awaiting the pick this Thurs night.

[1niksder]

ive been thinking about this for a few days, Browns GM Tom Heckart said he has 2 guys he is targetting at 6, most think AJ Green and Patrick Peterson. What if both are gone? Cleveland could make a draft deal with Dallas so they could get Quinn or Fairley ahead of SF and Tenn and improve their Pass Rush, Cleveland could trade down and target Alabama WR Julio Jones at 9 which takes Jones off the board for Washington who most think is their #1 Target and would be a HUGE help. it also takes away Washingtons chance of trading with say St. Louis so they would be able to jump up and get Jones. OR Cleveland could just take Jones at 6

All reports have Ttit trying to trade down...
Many reports have Fairley off their board as of last week

[frankcal20]

Don't forget their issues in the secondary. My gut say's they draft prince or the LT from USC.

[fleetus]

ive been thinking about this for a few days, Browns GM Tom Heckart said he has 2 guys he is targetting at 6, most think AJ Green and Patrick Peterson. What if both are gone? Cleveland could make a draft deal with Dallas so they could get Quinn or Fairley ahead of SF and Tenn and improve their Pass Rush, Cleveland could trade down and target Alabama WR Julio Jones at 9 which takes Jones off the board for Washington who most think is their #1 Target and would be a HUGE help. it also takes away Washingtons chance of trading with say St. Louis so they would be able to jump up and get Jones. OR Cleveland could just take Jones at 6

MOST analysts think Tyron Smith is a lock for the Cowboys at #9. If you're theory becomes reality, then Tyron Smith would not be drafted by the Cowboys and would be a top 10 graded player who could plug right in as RT. Having two young bookend OT's with lots of upside would definitely allow this offense to develop nicely.

[KazooSkinsFan]

ive been thinking about this for a few days, Browns GM Tom Heckart said he has 2 guys he is targetting at 6, most think AJ Green and Patrick Peterson. What if both are gone? Cleveland could make a draft deal with Dallas so they could get Quinn or Fairley ahead of SF and Tenn and improve their Pass Rush, Cleveland could trade down and target Alabama WR Julio Jones at 9 which takes Jones off the board for Washington who most think is their #1 Target and would be a HUGE help. it also takes away Washingtons chance of trading with say St. Louis so they would be able to jump up and get Jones. OR Cleveland could just take Jones at 6

MOST analysts think Tyron Smith is a lock for the Cowboys at #9. If you're theory becomes reality, then Tyron Smith would not be drafted by the Cowboys and would be a top 10 graded player who could plug right in as RT. Having two young bookend OT's with lots of upside would definitely allow this offense to develop nicely.

I think that's the key, no matter what anyone does, more then 9 guys can't be gone before we pick. Whoever is picked up we're interested in means someone else we didn't think would be there when we pick will be and we have so many needs I don't see how we can end up without a player we like at a position we need no matter what the Browns or anyone else do.

[fleetus]

ive been thinking about this for a few days, Browns GM Tom Heckart said he has 2 guys he is targetting at 6, most think AJ Green and Patrick Peterson. What if both are gone? Cleveland could make a draft deal with Dallas so they could get Quinn or Fairley ahead of SF and Tenn and improve their Pass Rush, Cleveland could trade down and target Alabama WR Julio Jones at 9 which takes Jones off the board for Washington who most think is their #1 Target and would be a HUGE help. it also takes away Washingtons chance of trading with say St. Louis so they would be able to jump up and get Jones. OR Cleveland could just take Jones at 6

MOST analysts think Tyron Smith is a lock for the Cowboys at #9. If you're theory becomes reality, then Tyron Smith would not be drafted by the Cowboys and would be a top 10 graded player who could plug right in as RT. Having two young bookend OT's with lots of upside would definitely allow this offense to develop nicely.

I think that's the key, no matter what anyone does, more then 9 guys can't be gone before we pick. Whoever is picked up we're interested in means someone else we didn't think would be there when we pick will be and we have so many needs I don't see how we can end up without a player we like at a position we need no matter what the Browns or anyone else do.

I agree. unfortunately, the Skins have lots of needs. So the chances that we end up in a situation where there isn't anyone available who would greatly help us is NOT very likely.

I hope we can trade down and add picks to fill more needs, but if we stay at #10, someone will be there.

Julio Jones
JJ Watt
Tyron Smith
Robert Quinn
and several others.

[SkinsJock]

NO affect AT ALL - I agree with Kaz

I think that's the key, no matter what anyone does, more than 9 guys can't be gone before we pick. Whoever is picked up .. means someone else we didn't think would be there when we pick will be - we have so many needs I don't see how we can end up without a player we like at a position we need no matter what the Browns or anyone else do.

IF we have to take a player with that pick it's hard to imagine that player will not help this franchise for years to come based on our needs and the depth of talent available this year - I'll say it again = this is a deep draft at a lot of positions that this franchise needs





I just hope we can trade out of the pick and bring in more players OR add to next year's draft as well

[KazooSkinsFan]

NO affect AT ALL - I agree with Kaz

I think that's the key, no matter what anyone does, more than 9 guys can't be gone before we pick. Whoever is picked up .. means someone else we didn't think would be there when we pick will be - we have so many needs I don't see how we can end up without a player we like at a position we need no matter what the Browns or anyone else do.

IF we have to take a player with that pick it's hard to imagine that player will not help this franchise for years to come based on our needs and the depth of talent available this year - I'll say it again = this is a deep draft at a lot of positions that this franchise needs





I just hope we can trade out of the pick and bring in more players OR add to next year's draft as well

It'll be nice if someone loves Julius Jones or someone available and gives us a Ditka offer we can't refuse. But realistically more teams want to trade down then up so while we can hope for a good offer, we need to be prepared to use the pick. I hope we go with the best player and not just try to plug the top hole, which is a good way to end up without a quality player at any position.

For example, WR isn't what I'd pick #1 on my wish list, but if the coaches like JJ better then the players at other needs I'd rather take the better player then fill the bigger need.

[fleetus]

NO affect AT ALL - I agree with Kaz

I think that's the key, no matter what anyone does, more than 9 guys can't be gone before we pick. Whoever is picked up .. means someone else we didn't think would be there when we pick will be - we have so many needs I don't see how we can end up without a player we like at a position we need no matter what the Browns or anyone else do.

IF we have to take a player with that pick it's hard to imagine that player will not help this franchise for years to come based on our needs and the depth of talent available this year - I'll say it again = this is a deep draft at a lot of positions that this franchise needs





I just hope we can trade out of the pick and bring in more players OR add to next year's draft as well

It'll be nice if someone loves Julius Jones or someone available and gives us a Ditka offer we can't refuse. But realistically more teams want to trade down then up so while we can hope for a good offer, we need to be prepared to use the pick. I hope we go with the best player and not just try to plug the top hole, which is a good way to end up without a quality player at any position.

I think more teams want to trade down every year because most of them believe there is better value trading down. The main reason teams trade UP is out of desperation. They EITHER convince themselves they HAVE to have that one player, OR their team sucks so they are more willing to gamble that they'll catch lightning in a bottle and find that one player who can turn things around.

Regarding the Rams trading up, I think there is a chance. Bradford is their franchise player and they don't have much talent at WR to compliment Stephen Jackson. They traded with the Skins last year and HAslett used to be their H Coach. So there are lines of communication between these two teams. Moving up from 14 to 10 would cost EXACTLY the Rams 3rd round pick (#78) according to the value chart. So it makes a lot of sense IF Julio Jones is still available.

[yupchagee]

ive been thinking about this for a few days, Browns GM Tom Heckart said he has 2 guys he is targetting at 6, most think AJ Green and Patrick Peterson. What if both are gone? Cleveland could make a draft deal with Dallas so they could get Quinn or Fairley ahead of SF and Tenn and improve their Pass Rush, Cleveland could trade down and target Alabama WR Julio Jones at 9 which takes Jones off the board for Washington who most think is their #1 Target and would be a HUGE help. it also takes away Washingtons chance of trading with say St. Louis so they would be able to jump up and get Jones. OR Cleveland could just take Jones at 6

MOST analysts think Tyron Smith is a lock for the Cowboys at #9. If you're theory becomes reality, then Tyron Smith would not be drafted by the Cowboys and would be a top 10 graded player who could plug right in as RT. Having two young bookend OT's with lots of upside would definitely allow this offense to develop nicely.

#10 is too early for a RT.

[KazooSkinsFan]

ive been thinking about this for a few days, Browns GM Tom Heckart said he has 2 guys he is targetting at 6, most think AJ Green and Patrick Peterson. What if both are gone? Cleveland could make a draft deal with Dallas so they could get Quinn or Fairley ahead of SF and Tenn and improve their Pass Rush, Cleveland could trade down and target Alabama WR Julio Jones at 9 which takes Jones off the board for Washington who most think is their #1 Target and would be a HUGE help. it also takes away Washingtons chance of trading with say St. Louis so they would be able to jump up and get Jones. OR Cleveland could just take Jones at 6

MOST analysts think Tyron Smith is a lock for the Cowboys at #9. If you're theory becomes reality, then Tyron Smith would not be drafted by the Cowboys and would be a top 10 graded player who could plug right in as RT. Having two young bookend OT's with lots of upside would definitely allow this offense to develop nicely.

#10 is too early for a RT.

I agree unless it's the right right tackle, and I think Tryon Smith would be a great pick at #10. I wouldn't go for any other tackles though at #10 because there's no other RT worth that and I don't want to force a LT to play right when he's not going to be happy. But Tryon isn't just a quality tackle, he's one with a good attitude willing to play where we need him. But like most of the other guys I wouldn't trade up to get him, but if we get him at #10 I'd be thrilled to have two quality tackles to build our line around the next decade and interior linemen are just a lot easier to get.

[SkinsJock]

MOST analysts think Tyron Smith is a lock for the Cowboys at #9. If you're theory becomes reality, then Tyron Smith would not be drafted by the Cowboys and would be a top 10 graded player whom we could plug right in as RT. Having two young bookend OT's with lots of upside would definitely allow this offense to develop nicely.

there is no way we are drafting ANY player ANYTIME based on what "MOST analysts think" - NEVER, EVER, EVER

these guys will make the choice based on EVERYTHING but what other "experts" or "analysts" think

[SkinsJock]

I'd be surprised if we used that pick on an OT because we are surely NOT using both our first 2 picks on offense

[CanesSkins26]

I'd be surprised if we used that pick on an OT because we are surely NOT using both our first 2 picks on offense

I don't know how you're coming to that conclusion. We have holes all over the team, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we went offense with our first two picks.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'd be surprised if we used that pick on an OT because we are surely NOT using both our first 2 picks on offense

I don't know how you're coming to that conclusion. We have holes all over the team, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we went offense with our first two picks.

I agree. The best player at each is the best player. That's what'll make the determination, not what we go into the draft preferring. It could be both O or both D.

[SkinsJock]

I understand and do want to take the best player availalble - I just hope that ends up a defensive player at 10 and a QB at 41

If it's Jones and a QB so be it but I still think that he's gone by then - Ideally we are trading the 10 pick and after that we need to find as many players as we can

we need to not only max out the picks in this AND next years draft - we also need these guys to do a fantastic job in identifying players that can develop into very good players

[CanesSkins26]

we need to not only max out the picks in this AND next years draft - we also need these guys to do a fantastic job in identifying players that can develop into very good players

A truly groundbreaking analysis. So what you're saying is that the team needs to draft well?

[SkinsJock]

So what you're saying is that the team needs to draft well?

NO - I think it's relatively easy to "draft well"!!! - after all, these athletes are all good players - what I am hoping for is to see a lot better success rate than we normally see in the NFL - this is not just a Redskins issue = it would be a lot better for us if the scouts did not just find good players but identify players that end up making the roster

anyone can draft well, even dumb and dumber did that - what I'm hoping for is for the talent evaluators to do a lot better job than has been done by most teams in the past - we could use an infusion of players that make the roster from lower rounds

maybe that's 'new' to you - I'd like to see a better job here from our scouting guys

[KazooSkinsFan]

So what you're saying is that the team needs to draft well?

NO - I think it's relatively easy to "draft well"!!! - after all, these athletes are all good players - what I am hoping for is to see a lot better success rate than we normally see in the NFL - this is not just a Redskins issue = it would be a lot better for us if the scouts did not just find good players but identify players that end up making the roster

anyone can draft well, even dumb and dumber did that - what I'm hoping for is for the talent evaluators to do a lot better job than has been done by most teams in the past - we could use an infusion of players that make the roster from lower rounds

maybe that's 'new' to you - I'd like to see a better job here from our scouting guys

[SkinsJock]

^^ I know, I know - I'm just really hopefull that we can have a bunch of players fill some of these holes this year


this is a big draft for this franchise and I'm really glad that we finally are here

[fanforlife]

I gotta say...I don't give a rats a$$ who we take tonight as long as a legitimate need is filled. All I really want is for us to take a guy (whether it's on "D" or "O") who can start NOW!!! & who can produce. Last year we took Trent Williams & he worked out well. Everyone else has yet to get on the field.

In'09 we drafted Osackpo & obviously he's a 2 time PBer. Kevin Barnes has yet to prove himself but shows promise. Everyone else in that draft class was a waste of a pick.

In'08 we drafted 1 guy who is good & produced once he was given a chance (F.Davis) & we drafted some guys who are simply OK (K. Moore, C. Horton) But the majority of our 10 picks were busts (D. Tomas, C. Brennan, D. Brooks) & the rest were none existent.

In '07 we had 5 picks & only had 2 guys who can play (L. Landry who is wicked & H.B. Blades) the other 3 I've never even heard of.

In '06 we drafted 6 times & of those 6 guys only 3 have done anything for us (R. McIntosh, R. Doughty & K. Golston) the rest were bums.

In '05 we picked 6 times as well but only 2 made the team (C. Rogers & J. Campbell).

In '04 we only picked 4 times but boy did we hit the nail on the head with 2 of those guys (C. Cooley & S. Taylor may he R.I.P.)

So you can see what I'm getting at. We have , in comparison, more picks this year than what we've had in years past & that's of course a good thing, but UNlike years past we must #1 choose properly & #2 the ones we choose must get on the field & produce NOW!!!
I read somewhere that Shanahan has been part of 26 drafts before so one can only hope that he has gained the experience that is needed to correctly pick the players that will fill the needs that we currently have. But like I said, I could care less who we select as long as whom ever we select can start immediately & produce. I could care less what side of the ball he plays on, although I do have my own personal opinion as to which side to address 1st.

[SkinsJock]

it's very possible we'll take a QB and if that happens he may not be ready to play for some time

Even if it's Gabbert, I hope we don't rush him - if this guy's going to be as good as reported, I hope they give him as much time as they (Mike & Kyle) think he needs

I'm not sure what John Beck has to offer but it's possible (not imo) he could be a capable starter here - Mike brought him in because he liked what he saw - then again we all think that Mike brought in McNabb and if he did (there's rumors that Dan was behind that ) then we have to be a little concerned


we do have many needs though and hopefully we can find a few players that can contribute in this draft


I still think that we are looking at another season of getting things together here both with the offensive issues and the 3-4 defense