How does John Beck fit into the Redskins’ QB search?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:37 pm

I think that every player (well almost every player) thinks that they're better than they are - Beck is a QB and they should feel like they've got the talent and ability to be a starting QB

Beck should think that - there is no way that he really thinks that Mike will have him starting the season against the pukes on 9/11

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:18 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I think that every player (well almost every player) thinks that they're better than they are - Beck is a QB and they should feel like they've got the talent and ability to be a starting QB

Beck should think that - there is no way that he really thinks that Mike will have him starting the season against the pukes on 9/11

Beck is the only QB on the roster signed to a long term deal. It is quite reasonable for him to think that he will be starting against the Giant pukes.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:29 pm

I like that! - he's the man - I wonder how many fans think that too :lol:

are you kidding me

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:36 pm

Red_One43 wrote:Beck is the only QB on the roster signed to a long term deal. It is quite reasonable for him to think that he will be starting against the Giant pukes.

It's one thing to prepare for every possibility but do you really think that he thinks he's going to start the next regular season game - he needs to get ready for it but he must know that another QB will be the starter

Is he not in touch with reality - Mike & Kyle will start someone and it will not be Beck unless he's got pictures :lol:

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:00 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Beck is the only QB on the roster signed to a long term deal. It is quite reasonable for him to think that he will be starting against the Giant pukes.

It's one thing to prepare for every possibility but do you really think that he thinks he's going to start the next regular season game - he needs to get ready for it but he must know that another QB will be the starter

He better be thinking that he is going to start next year. When you work out in the off season and you don't say, "Hey Drew Brees, will you help me be a better 3rd string QB this year?" You say, Drew, I know I got what it takes. Shanny says I need to work on this, can you help me. Now, Beck can tell if he is getting better. Drew can too. Whether Drew is lying or not, Drew must have confirmed that Beck looks good. Why? Did you hear Beck in that interview? I know you are not here in the DC metro, but I posted it in this thread. Unfortunately, you have to wade through LaVar and Dukes at the for the first so many minutes, but man, Beck was talking like he's is the man. Talk is cheap, but he maust have been eating his weaties or been high on something to come out confident and I say confident and not cocky because he sounded level headed and was not just blowing smoke. LaVar talked about the interview for days.

Is he not in touch with reality - Mike & Kyle will start someone and it will not be Beck unless he's got pictures

Maybe they should have had him pee in the bottle after that interview, but he sounded so level headed that yeah, I would say he was very much in touch with reality. He made it clear that Mike didn't tell him much of anything after the season, so it wasn't like he got any sign from Mike to give himself high hopes.

Now, if you are asking me if I think that he will be the starting QB on opening day, I would say, I will defer to pre-season. Shanny signed this dude to a three year deal - why? Is he just another QB that Shanny thought he could mold into his next John Elway or was Shanny on to something. Do I think Beck is the answer to our QB issues? No, we need a starter to manage the game and tide us over until Shanny's QB arrives.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:44 am

whatever - ](*,)

this is your opinion of what Beck is thinking and I just don't agree - I don't think that there's ANY chance that Beck thinks that Mike (OR Kyle) think there's a good chance that Beck will be the starting QB here in the next regular season game

we are not getting past that - you can think that he does but I think he's very positive about everything at best - but he is not kidding himself as you imply - NO WAY

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:48 am

SkinsJock wrote:whatever -

this is your opinion of what Beck is thinking and I just don't agree - I don't think that there's ANY chance that Beck thinks that Mike (OR Kyle) think there's a good chance that Beck will be the starting QB here in the next regular season game

we are not getting past that - you can think that he does but I think he's very positive about everything at best - but he is not kidding himself as you imply - NO WAY

Thanks for explaining to us what a person that you've never met before is really thinking. Very helpful :roll:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:03 am

SkinsJock wrote:whatever -

You read:

John Beck said today that he believes he will be the Redskins’ starting QB for the 2011-12

and get:

SkinsJock wrote:this is your opinion of what Beck is thinking and I just don't agree -

That's what the man said, that's not vague where one would have to wonder what he was saying.

SkinsJock wrote: I don't think that there's ANY chance that Beck thinks that Mike (OR Kyle) think there's a good chance that Beck will be the starting QB here in the next regular season game

That's your opinion, which is completely opposite of what he said

SkinsJock wrote:we are not getting past that - you can think that he does but I think he's very positive about everything at best - but he is not kidding himself as you imply - NO WAY

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:16 am

I know what Beck said - I just don't agree that he really thinks that he's going to be the starting QB here

I expect everyone and especially QBs to think that they are better than they are BUT I just don't think that Beck really, deep down, thinks that he's going to start for these guys

it's just semantics, I guess

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:05 am

SkinsJock wrote:I know what Beck said - I just don't agree that he really thinks that he's going to be the starting QB here

I expect everyone and especially QBs to think that they are better than they are BUT I just don't think that Beck really, deep down, thinks that he's going to start for these guys

it's just semantics, I guess

The thing is....

He should and does think like that but if he didn't believe it...

WHY would he SAY IT :?: :?:

And he used Rex as a reference as to what his thinking IS ....

“I want to be the guy,” Beck said after a 70-minute practice. “When I’m in the weight room training, when I’m at home watching tape, when I’m going over my scripts, when I’m preparing, I’m trying to be the starter. And Rex knows I want to be the starter. In my head, that’s the way I’m planning.”

If he didn't believe it why put it out there? There is no real football news out there and 30 players got together for a team workout. Ever player quote after that workout went nation-wide just as soon as they where uttered. He drop a single sentence on the press he said What he REALLY THINKS....

“Coach Shanahan in his book talks about believing in players,” said Beck, who has read the book twice. “When I’m around Coach Shanahan, I feel like he believes in me. You know that if you put the work in, something could happen.

“No one is going to give you an opportunity if you’re not worthy of it. The coaches have to see this guy can do it. That’s what I’m trying to prove: I’m worthy of it, now I need an opportunity.”

If he didn't believe it...

WHY would he SAY IT :?: :?:

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:28 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:whatever -

this is your opinion of what Beck is thinking and I just don't agree - I don't think that there's ANY chance that Beck thinks that Mike (OR Kyle) think there's a good chance that Beck will be the starting QB here in the next regular season game

we are not getting past that - you can think that he does but I think he's very positive about everything at best - but he is not kidding himself as you imply - NO WAY

Thanks for explaining to us what a person that you've never met before is really thinking. Very helpful

+1

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:32 pm

1niksder wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:whatever -

You read:
John Beck said today that he believes he will be the Redskins’ starting QB for the 2011-12

and get:
SkinsJock wrote:this is your opinion of what Beck is thinking and I just don't agree -

That's what the man said, that's not vague where one would have to wonder what he was saying.

SkinsJock wrote: I don't think that there's ANY chance that Beck thinks that Mike (OR Kyle) think there's a good chance that Beck will be the starting QB here in the next regular season game

That's your opinion, which is completely opposite of what he said

SkinsJock wrote:we are not getting past that - you can think that he does but I think he's very positive about everything at best - but he is not kidding himself as you imply - NO WAY

People often talk about the worst posts that they have ever seen on this site, BUT 1niksder, this is one of the BEST responses that I have seen on this site. +1

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:37 pm

1niksder wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I know what Beck said - I just don't agree that he really thinks that he's going to be the starting QB here

I expect everyone and especially QBs to think that they are better than they are BUT I just don't think that Beck really, deep down, thinks that he's going to start for these guys

it's just semantics, I guess

The thing is....

He should and does think like that but if he didn't believe it...

WHY would he SAY IT :?:

And he used Rex as a reference as to what his thinking IS ....

“I want to be the guy,” Beck said after a 70-minute practice. “When I’m in the weight room training, when I’m at home watching tape, when I’m going over my scripts, when I’m preparing, I’m trying to be the starter. And Rex knows I want to be the starter. In my head, that’s the way I’m planning.”

If he didn't believe it why put it out there? There is no real football news out there and 30 players got together for a team workout. Ever player quote after that workout went nation-wide just as soon as they where uttered. He drop a single sentence on the press he said What he REALLY THINKS....

“Coach Shanahan in his book talks about believing in players,” said Beck, who has read the book twice. “When I’m around Coach Shanahan, I feel like he believes in me. You know that if you put the work in, something could happen.

“No one is going to give you an opportunity if you’re not worthy of it. The coaches have to see this guy can do it. That’s what I’m trying to prove: I’m worthy of it, now I need an opportunity.”

If he didn't believe it...

WHY would he SAY IT :?:

+1

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:14 pm

SkinsJock wrote:whatever -

this is your opinion of what Beck is thinking and I just don't agree - I don't think that there's ANY chance that Beck thinks that Mike (OR Kyle) think there's a good chance that Beck will be the starting QB here in the next regular season game

we are not getting past that - you can think that he does but I think he's very positive about everything at best - but he is not kidding himself as you imply - NO WAY

I defer my response to Canes and 1niksder.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:31 pm

You know things are slow when we have a long thread on mindreading.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:49 pm

I'm glad that Beck thinks he's going to be the starting QB here - I really am

I'm also glad that Beck thinks that Kyle and Mike think he's going to be the starting QB here - I really am

I'm also glad that some fans here think that Beck really thinks he's going to be the starting QB - I really am

I'll believe it when I see it and I'll be very pleased that Beck is the starting QB here - really and truly :lol:

it's going to be kind of sad for a lot of fans and especially for John Beck but it's just not going to happen :lol:

I'm hoping I'm wrong in my thinking about this :twisted:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:59 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I'm glad that Beck thinks he's going to be the starting QB here - I really am

I'm also glad that Beck thinks that Kyle and Mike think he's going to be the starting QB here - I really am

I'm also glad that some fans here think that Beck really thinks he's going to be the starting QB - I really am

I'll believe it when I see it and I'll be very pleased that Beck is the starting QB here - really and truly

it's going to be kind of sad for a lot of fans and especially for John Beck but it's just not going to happen

I'm hoping I'm wrong in my thinking about this

We are all wrong in our thinking from timee to time.
You're more than likely right when YOU think Beck won't be the starting QB. As far as I can tell, the only person that's thinks Beck will get the job is... well Beck. Because he is the only one to make the statement. Many here believe he is wrong in his believes just like you. You however are the only one that believes that Beck doesn't believe what he says he believes. And everyone is waiting for you to explain your disbelieve

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:44 am

SkinsJock wrote:
I'm glad that Beck thinks he's going to be the starting QB here - I really am

Welcome to the club!

I'm also glad that Beck thinks that Kyle and Mike think he's going to be the starting QB here - I really am

I don't think that you are being very honest here - I sense sarcaaaaaasm. Beck never said that Kyle and Mike think that he will be the starter. The word that you accidently on purpose left out was "chance."

I'm also glad that some fans here think that Beck really thinks he's going to be the starting QB - I really am

Does "some" fans here include you, because your first statement of this post says it does. I am glad that you're glad.

I'll believe it when I see it and I'll be very pleased that Beck is the starting QB here - really and truly

You said really and truly - I believe you on this one and why wouldn't you be pleased like the rest of us - you know the Shanahans want the best that they have for their O, so by choosing Beck, you can bet that Beck won the job with a good to great performance - we certainly hope it is not by default.

it's going to be kind of sad for a lot of fans and especially for John Beck but it's just not going to happen

If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. What will really be sad is if we don't have a QB with a good showing in the regular season. Like last year.

I'm hoping I'm wrong in my thinking about this

I am kinda hoping that you figure out what it is that you are thinking. Are you thinking - It doesn't matter what Beck is saying, he doesn't figure in the Redskin's QB search because .....

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:28 am

I'm all alone here with my thinking :lol:

it really is a sloooow time when we're breaking the thought process down :shock:

I understand where you're coming from and I really do hope that if Mike (and Kyle) think that Beck gives them the best option at QB, then he will start - that's for sure - but then again, I'm a fan that just wants what's best for the franchise :lol:

I just don't see them thinking that Beck is going to be their starting QB - I haven't seen or heard anything about this 30 year old QB that he's got what it takes to be the starter here in the regular season coming up

I understand that Beck thinks he's going to be the starter - the difference in opinion is just my feeling that he doesn't really, deep down, think that he's going to get that job - especially given what he has seen here this past year
I totally agree that I really don't know what Beck is thinking - it's just my opinion

I will say that it's possible, given that he might have shown something - I just don't think that Mike or Kyle will give him the job - I think they brought him in to be a #3 and unless a lot has changed, I don't see them making that move

I actually kind of like John Beck - I don't know a whole lot about the guy - he's here, he's a Redskin, I think he's a contributor and I hope that he's good enough to be a part of the roster - I just don't think that these guys will give him the top job - they are not like that

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:40 am

1niksder wrote:We are all wrong in our thinking from timee to time.
You're more than likely right when YOU think Beck won't be the starting QB. As far as I can tell, the only person that's thinks Beck will get the job is... well Beck. Because he is the only one to make the statement. Many here believe he is wrong in his believes just like you. You however are the only one that believes that Beck doesn't believe what he says he believes.

And everyone is waiting for you to explain

I agree it doesn't sound logical - I just don't think that he truly believes these guys will end up making him the starting QB

I do understand that he said it and I think that he thinks that he's good enough and we all know that anything can happen and he might be the starting QB and he should prepare like he is

no good reason - I just don't think that Mike or Kyle have gone out of their way to make him feel that he's their guy - I think they've encouraged him but not to the extent that they've indicated that he's got a really good shot at being the starter is all

sorry - but that's all it really is to me - it's no big deal

I do like John Beck and he is our QB right now :lol:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:24 am

1niksder wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:whatever -

You read:
John Beck said today that he believes he will be the Redskins’ starting QB for the 2011-12

and get:
SkinsJock wrote:this is your opinion of what Beck is thinking and I just don't agree -

That's what the man said, that's not vague where one would have to wonder what he was saying.

SkinsJock wrote: I don't think that there's ANY chance that Beck thinks that Mike (OR Kyle) think there's a good chance that Beck will be the starting QB here in the next regular season game

That's your opinion, which is completely opposite of what he said

SkinsJock wrote:we are not getting past that - you can think that he does but I think he's very positive about everything at best - but he is not kidding himself as you imply - NO WAY

Check and mate

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:41 am

welcome back!

well we did get to 4 pages & I did manage to look completely hopeless at contributing anything to the thought process here

there's something there but I can't even see that :lol:

can we start a thread on what's possibly going on inside Haynesworth's head, if anything :roll:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:53 am

SkinsJock wrote::celebrate: welcome back!

well we did get to 4 pages & I did manage to look completely hopeless at contributing anything to the thought process here

there's something there but I can't even see that

can we start a thread on what's possibly going on inside Haynesworth's head, if anything

Thanks!

And on Haynesworth it's easy. His thoughts are, "me, me, me..."

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:14 am

SkinsJock wrote:
:lol: I'm all alone here with my thinking

But this is a good thing!

I just don't see them thinking that Beck is going to be their starting QB - I haven't seen or heard anything about this 30 year old QB that he's got what it takes to be the starter here in the regular season coming up

True, but I think that is at least one of the reasons the author posted this thread is we have only one QB on the roster with a long term contract, but very little has been said about him and that him is Beck.

I understand that Beck thinks he's going to be the starter - the difference in opinion is just my feeling that he doesn't really, deep down, think that he's going to get that job - especially given what he has seen here this past year
I totally agree that I really don't know what Beck is thinking - it's just my opinion

The problem that I see with this opinion it appears to go beyond opinion and into mind reading. What do you know about Beck to make your opinion? On this site, if you make an opinion, people are going to challenge you as to what you base your opinion. IMO, your opinion is baseless - you have not even used the classic - it is my "gut" feeling or something like - Beck hasn't played a down for three teams since his last start, so there is no way that a guy in that situation could possibly believe that he could be a starter. I would counter that with look who he is competing with - Grossman. Look what he is doing - working with Drew Brees and on his own to get better. He might think the O is a great fit for him and he has a year under his belt to have learned it and the rest of the off season to continue learning more of it. Whether he ends up starting is one issue but you saying. he doesn't believe he will be the starter is an "opinion" that is raising eyebrows because you have provided absolutely nothing to back it up. Of you don't have to and if you don't mind me badgering you to do so, then we are fine, because as you see, I don't mind badgering you.

I will say that it's possible, given that he might have shown something - I just don't think that Mike or Kyle will give him the job - I think they brought him in to be a #3 and unless a lot has changed, I don't see them making that move

No coach brings a guy in to remain the 3rd QB. That is a developmental position. If the guy doesn't develop, out his goes and in comes another. If he shows promise, he stays on, so far Beck has stayed on and we will find out in pre-season where he is.

I actually kind of like John Beck - I don't know a whole lot about the guy - he's here, he's a Redskin, I think he's a contributor and I hope that he's good enough to be a part of the roster - I just don't think that these guys will give him the top job - they are not like that.

Ok, why do you think that he is a contributor? What has he contributed thus far to the Redskins? You admit that you don't know a whole lot (I would guess you don't know much about anything about him) about Beck, but you want to make opinions, based on nothing, about what is in his mind, can you see that that doesn't make much sense? If Beck gets on that field and beats out the competition, why would the Shanahans "give" him what he earns - I would hope that they are like that.

Once again, I agree with you that that most likely won't happen, because it is rare for a 3rd QB to make that kind of move form third to first unless they were a stud #1 draft choice.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:21 am

SkinsJock wrote:can we start a thread on what's possibly going on inside Haynesworth's head, if anything

How are you in Beck's head and not Haynesworth's or any other Redskin's head. Better yet! How about Shanny's head? Now, that would be a lot of fun.