French burkha ban

[ATX_Skins]

Looks like Europe has taken a step in the right direction. Let's hope others follow accordingly.

[tribeofjudah]

Looks like Europe has taken a step in the right direction. Let's hope others follow accordingly.

any link....?

[Cappster]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

[1niksder]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

+1

[ATX_Skins]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

Who's culture there hippie?

[langleyparkjoe]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

He's right bro, just like I discriminate against anything "Capp" related!

[Cappster]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

Who's culture there hippie?

Islamic culture. It's like saying you can't walk outside wearing a Halloween mask, but much much worse. The French are specifically and openly targeting a religion based on what they believe. The burqa ban is just one step in trying to oppress a certain group of individuals whose cultural practice is being demonized.

I am sure that if the French banned wearing a cross on your necklace, the same people who support the burqa ban would cry foul against not being able to wear a cross.

Not many care about discrimination unless they are the ones being targeted. And its not being a hippie, but accepting practices relative to one's culture. Sociology and Humanities.

[Cappster]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

He's right bro, just like I discriminate against anything "Capp" related!

Hater! You just hating, because I took your HOG BOWL crown away from you and I am the reining Champion!

[UK Skins Fan]

I'm just surprised that it's the French who have done this. Sure, they pride themselves on being a secular society, but that principle also seems to trump liberty (liberte) on this issue. Unless you take the view that all wearers of the full veil are being oppressed into doing so. Which some undoubtedly are.

Actually, I can't work out whether this is a brave stand by the French, or an affront to personal freedom.

[1niksder]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

He's right bro, just like I discriminate against anything "Capp" related!

Hater! You just hating, because I took your HOG BOWL crown away from you and I am the reining Champion!

That's fair... a Hog Bowl CROWN could be considered Capp related

[ATX_Skins]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

Who's culture there hippie?

Islamic culture. It's like saying you can't walk outside wearing a Halloween mask, but much much worse. The French are specifically and openly targeting a religion based on what they believe. The burqa ban is just one step in trying to oppress a certain group of individuals whose cultural practice is being demonized.

I am sure that if the French banned wearing a cross on your necklace, the same people who support the burqa ban would cry foul against not being able to wear a cross.

Not many care about discrimination unless they are the ones being targeted. And its not being a hippie, but accepting practices relative to one's culture. Sociology and Humanities.

I think you may want to look at this issue at another angle.

First of all the "full" burkha is not cultural to France. The full burkha is used as a means of control in Afghanistan. Main example is the blue burkha made to be worn by the taliban. The blue burkha is prominent throughout Afghanistan especially in Herat. In a country like France that relies on security by means of CCTV to identify criminals the burkha is not exactly an advantage. In Afghanistan men wear burkhas and carry out attacks.

[UK Skins Fan]

Hmmm...something tells me that any terrorist seeking to carry out a suicide attack in any western nation would be better served by wearing jeans and t-shirt, rather than burkha. It really doesn't lend itself to blending in to the crowd and being unnoticed, does it?

[Cappster]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

He's right bro, just like I discriminate against anything "Capp" related!

Hater! You just hating, because I took your HOG BOWL crown away from you and I am the reining Champion!

That's fair... a Hog Bowl CROWN could be considered Capp related

Touche 1Nik

[ATX_Skins]

Hmmm...something tells me that any terrorist seeking to carry out a suicide attack in any western nation would be better served by wearing jeans and t-shirt, rather than burkha. It really doesn't lend itself to blending in to the crowd and being unnoticed, does it?

Yes, it does. You of all people on this site should know that being from the UK. Identification is key.

[Countertrey]

Hmmm...something tells me that any terrorist seeking to carry out a suicide attack in any western nation would be better served by wearing jeans and t-shirt, rather than burkha. It really doesn't lend itself to blending in to the crowd and being unnoticed, does it?

Unless, of course, you are a terrorist who has long range vision. If one in a hundred Muslim women wear this garment, that is enough to make it a mere passing curiosity. Common enough, I would think, to make the use of the burka a convenient way to hide in the open. Who will dare to challenge a "woman" so clad?

[UK Skins Fan]

Seriously, if we're talking about banning the burkha because of some fear that the clothing conceals a belt of explosives, then let's ban raincoats, kimonos and ALL rucksacks in public.

This is not about terrorism. You can argue that it's about banning an item of clothing that represses women, or you can argue that it's about prejudice towards beliefs that are different to yours. But I simply cannot see how anybody can justify the banning of the burkha on anti terrorism grounds.

And, quite frankly, I have no idea what being from the UK has to do with this. Sure, if all members of the IRA had gone around dressed as leprechauns, we MIGHT have been able to stop a few more attacks.

[Countertrey]

How many raincoats, kimonos, and rucksacks have you encountered that prevented you from identifying the wearer?

[Irn-Bru]

Seriously, if we're talking about banning the burkha because of some fear that the clothing conceals a belt of explosives, then let's ban raincoats, kimonos and ALL rucksacks in public.

This is not about terrorism.

Agreed, 100%.

[Cappster]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

Who's culture there hippie?

Islamic culture. It's like saying you can't walk outside wearing a Halloween mask, but much much worse. The French are specifically and openly targeting a religion based on what they believe. The burqa ban is just one step in trying to oppress a certain group of individuals whose cultural practice is being demonized.

I am sure that if the French banned wearing a cross on your necklace, the same people who support the burqa ban would cry foul against not being able to wear a cross.

Not many care about discrimination unless they are the ones being targeted. And its not being a hippie, but accepting practices relative to one's culture. Sociology and Humanities.

I think you may want to look at this issue at another angle.

First of all the "full" burkha is not cultural to France. The full burkha is used as a means of control in Afghanistan. Main example is the blue burkha made to be worn by the taliban. The blue burkha is prominent throughout Afghanistan especially in Herat. In a country like France that relies on security by means of CCTV to identify criminals the burkha is not exactly an advantage. In Afghanistan men wear burkhas and carry out attacks.

I do not understand why the French government feels like they can tell people what to and what not to wear. The only thing I can see is them painting all people of one ethnic group "terrorists," because they choose to wear a headdress (among other cultural/religious practices). Using the excuse to protect against terrorism is a major fallacy that has no purpose other than to feed fear mongers who have an agenda.

Again, are the French going to outlaw Halloween, because they fear for their lives? I mean its just ridiculous. If anything, banning the burqa will cause resentment and will do more harm than it does good. Cultural acceptance is the only way we are going to learn to coexist in this world. And to my knowledge, wearing a Burqa doesn't break an ethical code or violate any universal truths.

[UK Skins Fan]

How many raincoats, kimonos, and rucksacks have you encountered that prevented you from identifying the wearer?

None. But hoodies have, as have woolly hats, scarves, baseball caps and sunglasses, false noses and chicken outfits.

[Countertrey]

How many raincoats, kimonos, and rucksacks have you encountered that prevented you from identifying the wearer?

None. But hoodies have, as have woolly hats, scarves, baseball caps and sunglasses, false noses and chicken outfits.

I have the imense pleasure, at least weekly, of telling young thug wannabes to lose the hoodie, or enjoy some privacy... That would be no skin off my nose.

Frankly, there is really no constituency of hoodie, sunglass or fake nose wearers who have voiced their intent to kill us all... not necessarily true of the radical factions of Islam that require their women to wear a burka...

[ATX_Skins]

Yes, discriminating against people and their culture is a "step n the right direction." Sigh...

Who's culture there hippie?

Islamic culture. It's like saying you can't walk outside wearing a Halloween mask, but much much worse. The French are specifically and openly targeting a religion based on what they believe. The burqa ban is just one step in trying to oppress a certain group of individuals whose cultural practice is being demonized.

I am sure that if the French banned wearing a cross on your necklace, the same people who support the burqa ban would cry foul against not being able to wear a cross.

Not many care about discrimination unless they are the ones being targeted. And its not being a hippie, but accepting practices relative to one's culture. Sociology and Humanities.

I think you may want to look at this issue at another angle.

First of all the "full" burkha is not cultural to France. The full burkha is used as a means of control in Afghanistan. Main example is the blue burkha made to be worn by the taliban. The blue burkha is prominent throughout Afghanistan especially in Herat. In a country like France that relies on security by means of CCTV to identify criminals the burkha is not exactly an advantage. In Afghanistan men wear burkhas and carry out attacks.

I do not understand why the French government feels like they can tell people what to and what not to wear. The only thing I can see is them painting all people of one ethnic group "terrorists," because they choose to wear a headdress (among other cultural/religious practices). Using the excuse to protect against terrorism is a major fallacy that has no purpose other than to feed fear mongers who have an agenda.

Again, are the French going to outlaw Halloween, because they fear for their lives? I mean its just ridiculous. If anything, banning the burqa will cause resentment and will do more harm than it does good. Cultural acceptance is the only way we are going to learn to coexist in this world. And to my knowledge, wearing a Burqa doesn't break an ethical code or violate any universal truths.

Cultural acceptance? Maybe in America. The rest of the world does not operate under the same principles as we (Americans) do. Religion and cultures must adapt depending on where you are. If a muslim family wants to move to France they must adapt the French way of life period.

What will you say when these people want to legalize sharia law on US soil? Will you have issues with their cultures then? What about when you take your kids to the mall and you have to get patted down and walk through metal detectors like the Jews do in Jerusalem? This is a world wide issue. It's not just something on TV you flip through on your way to watching draft news on ESPN.

[ATX_Skins]

Seriously, if we're talking about banning the burkha because of some fear that the clothing conceals a belt of explosives, then let's ban raincoats, kimonos and ALL rucksacks in public.

This is not about terrorism. You can argue that it's about banning an item of clothing that represses women, or you can argue that it's about prejudice towards beliefs that are different to yours. But I simply cannot see how anybody can justify the banning of the burkha on anti terrorism grounds.

And, quite frankly, I have no idea what being from the UK has to do with this. Sure, if all members of the IRA had gone around dressed as leprechauns, we MIGHT have been able to stop a few more attacks.

Being from the UK (or living there, doubt it...)I would think you would have a good idea of how your entire country is being overrun by Pakistanis. This is also why you government especially your military consistently competes to see who can have the weakest stance among the coalition forces assisting in this mess in the middle east. I'm joking, that award goes to the Germans. Your country is under so much pressure to appease muslims its almost pathetic. That is why I don't expect you to understand this issue. Keep up the eye rolling, I can dog Brits all day. Don't even get me started on soccer lol.

[UK Skins Fan]

Oh boy. Thank the lord I'm not of Pakistani decent - I might just have played the racism card.

I do indeed live here in the UK, and the area where I live is actually becoming heavily populated by Poles, Russians and others from Eastern Europe. By no statistical measure are we being "overrun" by Pakistanis.

And while British soldiers are fighting and dying alongside US forces in the middle east, I don't think I'll rise to any Brit baiting.

I suspect the Pakistani community in the UK has far less political clout than the Jewish lobby in the US, but that point is about as relevant as your point about the role of our forces in the middle east.

And, just for you:

[UK Skins Fan]

What will you say when these people want to legalize sharia law on US soil? Will you have issues with their cultures then? What about when you take your kids to the mall and you have to get patted down and walk through metal detectors like the Jews do in Jerusalem? This is a world wide issue. It's not just something on TV you flip through on your way to watching draft news on ESPN.

I'd imagine that Cappster would oppose the acceptance of Sharia law on US soil, but support the right of any community to lobby for it, but I wouldn't presume to speak for him.