Interactive Mock 2.0 - Washington is OTC

DFlo · Post by **DFlo** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:42 am

Hey guys, we are running the Interactive Mock again due to popular demand. The fan forums of each NFL team get to vote for who their team should pick.

Last time Redskins fans chose Julio Jones and 92 people voted total.

You can cast your vote for who you want your team to pick this time around here:

Interactive Mock 2.0

And if you explain why with a brief short description, I will pick the best one and publish it along with the pick!

*For mods: This is not spam. I am just trying to get the right fans to vote for their respective team. We have done this already with most NFL team forums and have not had any issues. If you have any problems, please let me know.

DFlo · Post by **DFlo** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:36 pm

So far Newton and Jones are tied with 5 votes, and Aldon Smith is next with 3 votes!

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:16 pm

If those are our choices we're screwed, unless someone wants Cam Newton or Jone enough to trade up for them. If push came to shove I would take the other Cam, but it is high for him.

Just can't pick a WR that high in the draft!

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:08 pm

For the record, Gil Brandt loves Newton. He feels that there are no character issues, and that this kid is bright, works hard, and has tons of talent, with a huge upside.

OTOH... he won't be there at 10.

DFlo · Post by **DFlo** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:17 pm

This is by far the most interesting team so far. It's been back and forth between Newton and Julio Jones! I would have thought Newton would be the pick here for sure, but it looks like Redskins fans think otherwise right now

Keep voting guys!

Also, does anyone want to do write-up for Jones or Newton if either is in fact the pick?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:06 pm

Well... Newton won't be the pick... I find it difficult to believe that anyone thinks he'll fall beyond 5... and I'm betting that Carolina takes him. Jones might be the default selection, but I don't think it's guaranteed. My choice in the poll of Newton was based on the selections... I do believe that he's probably going to be a heck of a quarterback, but it won't be in B&G. I have recently started thinking that, with Jake Locker's recent excellent workouts, and knowing that Shanahan was in love with him last year, that Shanny, who is known to reach, may actually grab him at ten. Don't know how I feel about that.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:19 pm

I think it's our best chance to trade down IF Cam is there at 10. I think there are enough teams that like him below us that we could work a draft and trade

DFlo · Post by **DFlo** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:07 pm

Going to let it run overnight, Jones in the lead.

Get your votes in guys!

Also, can someone do a 3 sentence write-up on why Jones should be the pick so I can post it with the pick tomorrow (if Jones wins that is)

DFlo · Post by **DFlo** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:38 am

Hey guys, the results are updated. You can see who your team selected here:

http://www.footballdraftnotebook.com/fanmockresults
Check out the comments I made about your team in the On the Clock section.

And feel free to bookmark that page and continue voting daily. We will do one team every day.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:27 pm

Boy I seriously hope the Skins are smarter than the fans (the idiots that voted for Jones), because a team with this many needs simply can't afford to reach for a WR at #10.

Any drafting of a WR in the first round is a reach and should only be done if that guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the picks and if the team doesn't have many other needs!

I don't think Jones fits the first criteria and the Skins certainly have too many holes to even entertain drafting a WR in the first, much less at #10!

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:59 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:Boy I seriously hope the Skins are smarter than the fans (the idiots that voted for Jones), because a team with this many needs simply can't afford to reach for a WR at #10.

Any drafting of a WR in the first round is a reach and should only be done if that guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the picks and if the team doesn't have many other needs!

I don't think Jones fits the first criteria and the Skins certainly have too many holes to even entertain drafting a WR in the first, much less at #10!

Alright, coming from an idiot, who will will whatever QB we start throw to? ATM, we have Moss a FA, Armstrong, and Banks, who can't play full time WR, and Kelly who can't stay healthy. TEs can augment the WR set, but you can't have your primary receiving corps be composed of TEs.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:09 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Boy I seriously hope the Skins are smarter than the fans (the idiots that voted for Jones), because a team with this many needs simply can't afford to reach for a WR at #10.

Any drafting of a WR in the first round is a reach and should only be done if that guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the picks and if the team doesn't have many other needs!

I don't think Jones fits the first criteria and the Skins certainly have too many holes to even entertain drafting a WR in the first, much less at #10!

Alright, coming from an idiot, who will will whatever QB we start throw to? ATM, we have Moss a FA, Armstrong, and Banks, who can't play full time WR, and Kelly who can't stay healthy. TEs can augment the WR set, but you can't have your primary receiving corps be composed of TEs.

Don't even bother. Sf33 seems to think that drafting a WR at 10 will somehow stop us from being able to fill any other need that we have.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:59 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:Boy I seriously hope the Skins are smarter than the fans (the idiots that voted for Jones), because a team with this many needs simply can't afford to reach for a WR at #10.

Any drafting of a WR in the first round is a reach and should only be done if that guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the picks and if the team doesn't have many other needs!

I don't think Jones fits the first criteria and the Skins certainly have too many holes to even entertain drafting a WR in the first, much less at #10!

I have been harping about drafting Phil Taylor at NT because of the importance of the NT posiiton, but even I can't pass up on a talent like Jones when it comes to the #10 pick. For years, Redskin fans have been longing for a big receiver and now one comes along with super speed, can run block, played in a pro style offense and is NOT A DIVA! Mark me down as one of the idiots that voted for Jones.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:50 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Boy I seriously hope the Skins are smarter than the fans (the idiots that voted for Jones), because a team with this many needs simply can't afford to reach for a WR at #10.

Any drafting of a WR in the first round is a reach and should only be done if that guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the picks and if the team doesn't have many other needs!

I don't think Jones fits the first criteria and the Skins certainly have too many holes to even entertain drafting a WR in the first, much less at #10!

Alright, coming from an idiot, who will will whatever QB we start throw to? ATM, we have Moss a FA, Armstrong, and Banks, who can't play full time WR, and Kelly who can't stay healthy. TEs can augment the WR set, but you can't have your primary receiving corps be composed of TEs.

First, let me say I regret the choice of the word idiot, it wasn't fair and it was insulting.

Now for you post, you mentioned a lot that goes into a passing game. If you have a QB and an OL then you will have receivers. The Patriots threw anyone they wanted out there last year and still moved the ball through the air. The Eagles went to 4 NFC championships and only had one good WR for one of those four years.

I'm not saying WRs aren't valuable and I'm certainly not saying we don't need one but they just don't offer enough of an impact on your game to justify at #10.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:09 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Boy I seriously hope the Skins are smarter than the fans (the idiots that voted for Jones), because a team with this many needs simply can't afford to reach for a WR at #10.

Any drafting of a WR in the first round is a reach and should only be done if that guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the picks and if the team doesn't have many other needs!

I don't think Jones fits the first criteria and the Skins certainly have too many holes to even entertain drafting a WR in the first, much less at #10!

Alright, coming from an idiot, who will will whatever QB we start throw to? ATM, we have Moss a FA, Armstrong, and Banks, who can't play full time WR, and Kelly who can't stay healthy. TEs can augment the WR set, but you can't have your primary receiving corps be composed of TEs.

Don't even bother. Sf33 seems to think that drafting a WR at 10 will somehow stop us from being able to fill any other need that we have.

Nope, that isn't what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is we have too many needs to be drafting a WR that high. Draft a guy that is going to have more of an impact on the game than a WR.

WRs are such a crap shoot and I know other positions are just as risky to take that high but you get more if you hit on a QB, a OT, a NT, a pass rushing OLB, our even a C, than you do if you hit on a WR.

So too me it is simply a risk reward thing. At that spot you need to be drafting a game changer or a potential game changer. With WR you just don't get that. They are like the fancy decorative frosting on a cake. Not the base frosting but asll the writing and flowers and junk. A cake sure looks good with all that stuff on it, but does it really impact how good the cake tastes.

I would rather have a cake that tastes great, but looks plain Jane than have a great looking cake that just isn't any good.

Just add the decorative frosting last, after you have finished a great tasting cake; don't try to put it on first!

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:13 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Boy I seriously hope the Skins are smarter than the fans (the idiots that voted for Jones), because a team with this many needs simply can't afford to reach for a WR at #10.

Any drafting of a WR in the first round is a reach and should only be done if that guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the picks and if the team doesn't have many other needs!

I don't think Jones fits the first criteria and the Skins certainly have too many holes to even entertain drafting a WR in the first, much less at #10!

Alright, coming from an idiot, who will will whatever QB we start throw to? ATM, we have Moss a FA, Armstrong, and Banks, who can't play full time WR, and Kelly who can't stay healthy. TEs can augment the WR set, but you can't have your primary receiving corps be composed of TEs.

First, let me say I regret the choice of the word idiot, it wasn't fair and it was insulting.

Now for you post, you mentioned a lot that goes into a passing game. If you have a QB and an OL then you will have receivers. The Patriots threw anyone they wanted out there last year and still moved the ball through the air. The Eagles went to 4 NFC championships and only had one good WR for one of those four years.

I'm not saying WRs aren't valuable and I'm certainly not saying we don't need one but they just don't offer enough of an impact on your game to justify at #10.

You can't call out the Pats as being normal; as much as I hate Brady, he's going to be argued as one of the top QBs of all time. You can't just throw Campbell behind Brady's line and think that Campbell would have Brady's rings and success.

And let's not trivialize Brian Westbrook and McNabb's wheels in his youth. Notice what the Eagles have done since Westbrook is gone? And McNabb would get hot on a hellofa hotstreak. We don't have any of the aforementioned strengths on our team currently.

I'm not trying to trivialize the QB/OL, but I think that it's more important than just having a QB/OL and a pulse. If McNabb WOULD have had any talent in his prime, things may have been different. And Brady is just a freak...and outlier.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:57 pm

Skinsfan#33, you seem to be focusing on the wide receiver as only a pass cather in an offense. Sure that is what they are known for and paid big bucks for, but Julion Jones does not just stretch the field and he is also not just a big receivig target with big hands, he is a formidable run blocker. Report after report speak highly of his run blocking skills.
So you have a field stretcher, a red zone threat, a threat at end around reverses, and a guy that can run block AND he is not a Diva. He could be one of those guys a coach says I want the ball in his hands.

College Production. In his first two years, Alabama was a run-heavy offense. This allowed Jones to hone his excellent run blocking skills, but compounded by his inconsistency issues, he was not the focal point of the Crimson Tide's offense. This hurt his overall production, even though he put up respectable numbers. When Alabama played closer games and got more trust in Greg McElroy, Jones' production skyrocketed in his junior season. Alabama's offense is considered pro-style, with pro-style action and pro-style route combinations.

http://www.billievers.com/forums/showth ... ulio-Jones

Calvin Johnson Scouting Report by kenneth bores
Pros: Great size at 6-5 and 235. Giant hands made of gold. Forty speed under 4.4 to go along with a 40 plus inch vertical. Great powerful runner when he runs with the ball and a decent blocker.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:05 pm

Red_One43 wrote:Skinsfan#33, you seem to be focusing on the wide receiver as only a pass cather in an offense. Sure that is what they are known for and paid big bucks for, but Julion Jones does not just stretch the field and he is also not just a big receivig target with big hands, he is a formidable run blocker. Report after report speak highly of his run blocking skills.
So you have a field stretcher, a red zone threat, a threat at end around reverses, and a guy that can run block AND he is not a Diva. He could be one of those guys a coach says I want the ball in his hands.

College Production. In his first two years, Alabama was a run-heavy offense. This allowed Jones to hone his excellent run blocking skills, but compounded by his inconsistency issues, he was not the focal point of the Crimson Tide's offense. This hurt his overall production, even though he put up respectable numbers. When Alabama played closer games and got more trust in Greg McElroy, Jones' production skyrocketed in his junior season. Alabama's offense is considered pro-style, with pro-style action and pro-style route combinations.

http://www.billievers.com/forums/showth ... ulio-Jones

Calvin Johnson Scouting Report by kenneth bores
Pros: Great size at 6-5 and 235. Giant hands made of gold. Forty speed under 4.4 to go along with a 40 plus inch vertical. Great powerful runner when he runs with the ball and a decent blocker.

Calvin Johnson isn't a difference maker and should never have been drafted as high as the Lions drafted him and he is a good WR (not great, but good) and even if you consider him great, he sure hasn't helped the Lions much.

The fact that Jones can block would be the only reason I would even consider him that high. And he would have to grade out 2 or 3 levels above a player they need at almost any other spot to draft him that high. He would have to grade out as a can't miss, 100% future multiple PB, possible HoF talent level to take him over a NT, DE, OLB, or LT that they think will just be very good pro that some times makes the PB but is always very good.

There would have to be that much of a gap to consider him. If not he won't help you as much as any NON-bust that take on the OL, DL or at OLB.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:48 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Skinsfan#33, you seem to be focusing on the wide receiver as only a pass cather in an offense. Sure that is what they are known for and paid big bucks for, but Julion Jones does not just stretch the field and he is also not just a big receivig target with big hands, he is a formidable run blocker. Report after report speak highly of his run blocking skills.
So you have a field stretcher, a red zone threat, a threat at end around reverses, and a guy that can run block AND he is not a Diva. He could be one of those guys a coach says I want the ball in his hands.

College Production. In his first two years, Alabama was a run-heavy offense. This allowed Jones to hone his excellent run blocking skills, but compounded by his inconsistency issues, he was not the focal point of the Crimson Tide's offense. This hurt his overall production, even though he put up respectable numbers. When Alabama played closer games and got more trust in Greg McElroy, Jones' production skyrocketed in his junior season. Alabama's offense is considered pro-style, with pro-style action and pro-style route combinations.

http://www.billievers.com/forums/showth ... ulio-Jones

Calvin Johnson Scouting Report by kenneth bores
Pros: Great size at 6-5 and 235. Giant hands made of gold. Forty speed under 4.4 to go along with a 40 plus inch vertical. Great powerful runner when he runs with the ball and a decent blocker.

Calvin Johnson isn't a difference maker and should never have been drafted as high as the Lions drafted him and he is a good WR (not great, but good) and even if you consider him great, he sure hasn't helped the Lions much.

The fact that Jones can block would be the only reason I would even consider him that high. And he would have to grade out 2 or 3 levels above a player they need at almost any other spot to draft him that high. He would have to grade out as a can't miss, 100% future multiple PB, possible HoF talent level to take him over a NT, DE, OLB, or LT that they think will just be very good pro that some times makes the PB but is always very good.

There would have to be that much of a gap to consider him. If not he won't help you as much as any NON-bust that take on the OL, DL or at OLB.

I respect your reluctance to choose a receiver at #10. In saying Calvin Johnson isn't a difference maker, are you considering that teams have to game plan with him in mind? Since they do, Calvin is always a difference maker. You say that the Lions never should have drafted him that high. Experts say that the Raiders should have drafted him #1 AND if the Lions didn't draft him, he would have gone #3. Drafts are not supposed to be looked at in isolation. Each draft is supposed to interlock with the next. Calvin Johnson was a puzzle piece that they got early on (which is what we would be doing if we got Julio). In the next drafts the Lions went OL, QB, TE, DT with their first picks and moved back in the 1st round (2010) and went RB. No WR as number 1. Why? Because they already have that piece. The Lions are a steadily improving team. A healthy Matt Stafford would make a huge difference for them and make help make Johnson the great receiver that he will be. Do you get the WR first or the DT? It depends on who is there and where you pick. You say given the choices, that you like Cam Jordan, but you admit that #10 might be too high. Do you pick the Phil Taylor (The guy, I want in my fantasy draft). I admit that in real life, it might be too high for him. Given all of our needs and knowing that we do need a big receiver and one like Julio is there and there is nobody else that commands a #10 slot, you gotta take Julio - now, you don't have to worry about receiver and all that talk for years about finding a big receiver is gone. WHAT IF HE IS A BUST? No guy is a sure bet only a surer bet. No draft expert that I have read thinks that Julio has bust potential. The knock on him is that he loses concentration at times - well, in the pro game, I doubt if he loses concentration much. The DB's will make sure that he keeps his head in this game.

With all that being said, I respect your reluctance to draft a receiver. Draft Cam Jordan. Not a bad choice. Draft Phil Taylor, will raise eyebrows, but if he pans out - like I think he will - an anchor your D. But, at some point, you will have to address the receiver position in subsequent drafts and FA and when you do, a talent like Julio might not be there. More Cam Jordans and Phil Taylors come around than Julios do. It is easier to develop a DE and a NT then develop a good receiver. I have to take the BPA and he happens to be a receiver and he happens to be a NEED. Remember, we are on a three-year plan expect Shanny to act like that in his decisions.