I'm not saying Brunell is worthless, just stating my reasons why I believe he
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#3 looks like #8, it should be an easy transition.
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I would rather have Brunell as a backup over Collins. Collins SUCKS and Brunell doesn't suck as bad. Remember how well Brunell performed during the first 3/4 of the 05 season? He was fresh because he had time off when Ramsey got most of the reps as "the starter". I believe if Campbell gets hurt and is out a couple of games, Brunell could get us through it without too much drop off in performance. He has a ton more experience in game situations than Collins and provides us the SECOND best chance to win.
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Cappster wrote:I would rather have Brunell as a backup over Collins. Collins SUCKS and Brunell doesn't suck as bad. Remember how well Brunell performed during the first 3/4 of the 05 season? He was fresh because he had time off when Ramsey got most of the reps as "the starter". I believe if Campbell gets hurt and is out a couple of games, Brunell could get us through it without too much drop off in performance. He has a ton more experience in game situations than Collins and provides us the SECOND best chance to win.
What if he needs to come in for more than 2 games? What if its 6? I don't mind MB for 1 or 2 weeks but anymore than that it the season is screwed. He's like a rechargable batt. thats been charged too many times, he's good for a little while but thats it.
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What is funny is we don't know how well he is going to play after this sholder surgery. This is the same operation that Bree's had but we are talking about a 10 year age diffence (or whatever). We need to make sure he can still play. I would try to trade or release Collins and bring in a rookie for a minimum to see what you may have.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Cappster wrote:I would rather have Brunell as a backup over Collins. Collins SUCKS and Brunell doesn't suck as bad. Remember how well Brunell performed during the first 3/4 of the 05 season? He was fresh because he had time off when Ramsey got most of the reps as "the starter". I believe if Campbell gets hurt and is out a couple of games, Brunell could get us through it without too much drop off in performance. He has a ton more experience in game situations than Collins and provides us the SECOND best chance to win.
What if he needs to come in for more than 2 games? What if its 6? I don't mind MB for 1 or 2 weeks but anymore than that it the season is screwed. He's like a rechargable batt. thats been charged too many times, he's good for a little while but thats it.
I would say that just about any team that has a backup QB starting for 6 weeks is going to be in for a bumpy ride. Not many teams have a Jeff Garcia type riding the pine that can come in and play well. If we lose Campbell and MB is promoted to starter, we better have a really good running game and a stout defense (we need that anyway). Then all he would have to do is "manage" the game and try to sustain us until Campbell is ready to play again. I am
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frankcal20 wrote:What is funny is we don't know how well he is going to play after this sholder surgery. This is the same operation that Bree's had but we are talking about a 10 year age diffence (or whatever). We need to make sure he can still play. I would try to trade or release Collins and bring in a rookie for a minimum to see what you may have.
In that case, we need to make sure he gets the same type of HGH....er...physical therapy Brees got to get him back in tip top shape. If that's the case, we might be seeing the return of MB96.
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The Redskins and Mark Brunell have agreed on a new contract.
The four-year deal is for effectively one year and reduces Brunell's '07 cap hit to less than half the $7 million it would've been. He gets a $820,000 salary this season and no signing bonus. Brunell is coming off shoulder surgery but the 'Skins value his leadership in a backup role. Feb. 28 - 9:57 am et
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The Washington Redskins have made progress in contract negotiations with quarterback Mark Brunell and could complete a restructured deal in the coming days. Brunell, who lost his starting job to Jason Campbell last season and is recovering from shoulder surgery, said he hopes to be with Washington for a fourth season.
"I'm optimistic about getting a deal done," Brunell said.
With the money saved by reworking contracts and releasing players, the Redskins are expected to pursue such free agents as Buffalo Bills cornerback Nate Clements, left, and linebacker London Fletcher.
With the money saved by reworking contracts and releasing players, the Redskins are expected to pursue such free agents as Buffalo Bills cornerback Nate Clements, left, and linebacker London Fletcher. (Stephen Dunn - Getty Images)
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Defensive linemen are the focus of the Redskins at the NFL combine.
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Coach Joe Gibbs has been a big supporter of Brunell, but with Campbell now the starter and Brunell carrying a $5.2 million salary (and $6.7 million salary cap figure), both sides were amenable to restructuring.
In such a deal, Brunell, 36, likely would end up with a considerably lower cap figure, with a portion of his salary converted into a bonus, and a base salary closer to $1 million. Although he would make much less than $5.2 million, he would have job security for next season and some guaranteed money from the new bonus. Base salaries are not guaranteed in the NFL, and each team must fit under the $109 million salary cap.
Brunell, who has reworked his contract repeatedly in the past, was acquired from Jacksonville shortly after Gibbs returned to coaching in 2004, lost his starting job to Patrick Ramsey midway through that season, became the starter again early in the opening game of the 2005 season and became Campbell's backup in November. Brunell has said previously that Washington was the only team for which he was interested in being a backup in 2007 and that his recovery from labrum surgery is going well.
Should Brunell complete a restructuring, third-string quarterback Todd Collins could opt out of his contract and compete for at least a second-string job elsewhere.
The Redskins are still trying to rework cornerback Shawn Springs's contract, but there has been no progress in that matter this month and Springs could be released in June to alleviate the salary cap hit. The Redskins are expected to make a push to sign free agent cornerback Nate Clements (Buffalo) and many in the organization would be open to bringing back former Redskins cornerback Fred Smoot if he is released by Minnesota this week as expected. The team also approached veteran defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn about taking a cut in his $2 million salary, sources said, and could release place kicker John Hall, wide receiver David Patten and tight end Christian Fauria this week, creating more room to pursue free agents when the signing period opens Friday.
Middle linebacker London Fletcher (Buffalo) is Washington's primary free agent target, team sources said, and a deal with him could be completed by the weekend. The Redskins are expected to pursue help at tight end and possibly defensive end, although they do not have as much available cap space as many other teams in the league at this point and are expected to focus on fewer players than in years past. The team also is attempting to re-sign starting guard Derrick Dockery before Friday -- when he could become an unrestricted free agent.
Redskins Notes: The agent for potential restricted free agent punter Derrick Frost said yesterday that the Redskins informed him the team will submit a qualifying offer this week, retaining Frost's rights. Robert Lattinville, Frost's agent, said the Redskins told him they would submit the low tender ($850,000), which would give Washington the right to match any other offer. Frost is not expected to generate much interest in the free agent market. The team's other restricted free agents -- defensive lineman Ryan Boschetti and offensive lineman Jim Molinaro -- have not received tenders and are not expected to get them by Thursday's deadline. That would allow them to become unrestricted free agents, although the Redskins could re-sign them later this offseason at the veteran minimum.
The Washington Redskins have made progress in contract negotiations with quarterback Mark Brunell and could complete a restructured deal in the coming days. Brunell, who lost his starting job to Jason Campbell last season and is recovering from shoulder surgery, said he hopes to be with Washington for a fourth season.
"I'm optimistic about getting a deal done," Brunell said.
With the money saved by reworking contracts and releasing players, the Redskins are expected to pursue such free agents as Buffalo Bills cornerback Nate Clements, left, and linebacker London Fletcher.
With the money saved by reworking contracts and releasing players, the Redskins are expected to pursue such free agents as Buffalo Bills cornerback Nate Clements, left, and linebacker London Fletcher. (Stephen Dunn - Getty Images)
Redskins
THE OFFSEASON
Three veteran players went to Joe Gibbs and requested he allow them to do their own offseason conditioning and Gibbs ultimately agreed.
Quarterback Mark Brunell and the Redskins are close to restructuring his contract to create salary cap relief.
Safety Troy Vincent becomes the first salary cap casualty for the team this offseason.
Defensive linemen are the focus of the Redskins at the NFL combine.
Monk
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The class of 2007.
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Video: Monk on the Hall of Fame.
THE LOST SEASON
Williams
Part III: Assistant head coach for defense Gregg Williams presides over a Redskins' defense that falls flat on its face in 2006.
Part II: Coach Joe Gibbs handpicked Al Saunders to update the Redskins' offense, but their dueling philosophies created tension.
Part I: By choosing to bring in high-priced free agents and letting several key players leave, the Redskins have alienated many team members.
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Coach Joe Gibbs has been a big supporter of Brunell, but with Campbell now the starter and Brunell carrying a $5.2 million salary (and $6.7 million salary cap figure), both sides were amenable to restructuring.
In such a deal, Brunell, 36, likely would end up with a considerably lower cap figure, with a portion of his salary converted into a bonus, and a base salary closer to $1 million. Although he would make much less than $5.2 million, he would have job security for next season and some guaranteed money from the new bonus. Base salaries are not guaranteed in the NFL, and each team must fit under the $109 million salary cap.
Brunell, who has reworked his contract repeatedly in the past, was acquired from Jacksonville shortly after Gibbs returned to coaching in 2004, lost his starting job to Patrick Ramsey midway through that season, became the starter again early in the opening game of the 2005 season and became Campbell's backup in November. Brunell has said previously that Washington was the only team for which he was interested in being a backup in 2007 and that his recovery from labrum surgery is going well.
Should Brunell complete a restructuring, third-string quarterback Todd Collins could opt out of his contract and compete for at least a second-string job elsewhere.
The Redskins are still trying to rework cornerback Shawn Springs's contract, but there has been no progress in that matter this month and Springs could be released in June to alleviate the salary cap hit. The Redskins are expected to make a push to sign free agent cornerback Nate Clements (Buffalo) and many in the organization would be open to bringing back former Redskins cornerback Fred Smoot if he is released by Minnesota this week as expected. The team also approached veteran defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn about taking a cut in his $2 million salary, sources said, and could release place kicker John Hall, wide receiver David Patten and tight end Christian Fauria this week, creating more room to pursue free agents when the signing period opens Friday.
Middle linebacker London Fletcher (Buffalo) is Washington's primary free agent target, team sources said, and a deal with him could be completed by the weekend. The Redskins are expected to pursue help at tight end and possibly defensive end, although they do not have as much available cap space as many other teams in the league at this point and are expected to focus on fewer players than in years past. The team also is attempting to re-sign starting guard Derrick Dockery before Friday -- when he could become an unrestricted free agent.
Redskins Notes: The agent for potential restricted free agent punter Derrick Frost said yesterday that the Redskins informed him the team will submit a qualifying offer this week, retaining Frost's rights. Robert Lattinville, Frost's agent, said the Redskins told him they would submit the low tender ($850,000), which would give Washington the right to match any other offer. Frost is not expected to generate much interest in the free agent market. The team's other restricted free agents -- defensive lineman Ryan Boschetti and offensive lineman Jim Molinaro -- have not received tenders and are not expected to get them by Thursday's deadline. That would allow them to become unrestricted free agents, although the Redskins could re-sign them later this offseason at the veteran minimum.
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Oh yeah, shoot, the Brunell cap hit is now about $3.3 from what I hear, down from $6.7. he gets around the vet. min in base (820,000), and has a June roster bonus that kicks in after mini camp (I believe around $1 million). So, if for any reason the labrum is still a problem and he can't go, the Skins are off the hook if they want to get out; they would carry his camp number through the spring but will have paid him nothing.
Throw in the existing proration from his original signing bonus ($1.5) and, viola, there you have it for a new cap figure. Also, he would get some small roster bonuses just before the season, but no signing bonus and nothing guaranteed.
Oh yeah, shoot, the Brunell cap hit is now about $3.3 from what I hear, down from $6.7. he gets around the vet. min in base (820,000), and has a June roster bonus that kicks in after mini camp (I believe around $1 million). So, if for any reason the labrum is still a problem and he can't go, the Skins are off the hook if they want to get out; they would carry his camp number through the spring but will have paid him nothing.
Throw in the existing proration from his original signing bonus ($1.5) and, viola, there you have it for a new cap figure. Also, he would get some small roster bonuses just before the season, but no signing bonus and nothing guaranteed.
skinsfan#33 wrote:DarthMonk wrote:A few weeks later (after the clothesline) Brunell (in spite of all my other problems with him) did what Ransey couldn't seem to do - he hit Moss in stride twice when he was behind the defense.
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You meen he hit Moss in stride once! That first TD was so poorly thrown that Roy Williams actually ran past where the ball ended up. Moss made a hell of a play to adjust to the pass and Williams looked like an idiot for not getting the easy pick.
No - twice. Post-flag-post. Brunell throws to inside away from corner. Moss veers to left and Williams recovers and over runs it but it hits Moss in stride behind the defense.
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Wow I clicked on this thinking...
"Brunell....Shouldn't this be in "Around the League"....wait...Oh No...He can't possibly be coming ba...No Way! *Random Curse Words* Please don't be a welcome back thread, Please be a mistake or something."
Come to find out its just an ancient post from before I ever even registered here...Never thought of that possibility. Pheww.
"Brunell....Shouldn't this be in "Around the League"....wait...Oh No...He can't possibly be coming ba...No Way! *Random Curse Words* Please don't be a welcome back thread, Please be a mistake or something."
Come to find out its just an ancient post from before I ever even registered here...Never thought of that possibility. Pheww.
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tribeofjudah wrote:Lock it Up .....Mods. This is such "old news"
There hadn't been a response to this for 3 days... so, of course, you feel the need to bring it back to the top...
Don't reply, and it goes away on it's own...
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Only if I get a mention in "official" record. Anyone know if they still publish that book? Back in my elementary school days, that book was my tool of distraction as the itnernet is today. I miss days ending at 3:15pm.
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