broomboy wrote: Fights happen throughout the night at clubs not just after hours. To expect people in their 20's to not go out is just ridiculous. Whats worst is people here lambasting a kid after knowing the fact that the only trouble he got into was trying to BREAK UP a fight.
Broomboy and Skins and all the rest of you that feel that going to night clubs is what "normal" 24 year olds do, you are absoulutely right that we folks who don't care for clubbing should not bash Brandon or any other athlete for exercising their choice to go to night clubs where people get intoxicated and fights do break out no matter how nice the club.
Most 24 year olds do club and we shouldn't get upset when the Fred Davises and the Brandon Banks run into trouble. We shouldn't get upset when the Ken Hamlins (former Seashawk) nearly lose their lives in a nice night club in Seattle. I don't think that we are being selfish, but definitely being unrealistic. I ask why would a guy who makes so much money want to be in a place where the odds are great that at some time fights will break out and deadly weapons pulled Again, I am showing my ignorance the clubbing mentality.
I do not understand the clubbing scene and nor do I want to. If my kid, said that he was going clubbing, I would urge him to be careful and take certain precautions. I wouldn't say he was unwise, so Broomboy and Skins and the rest of you, count me as getting your points. I hate to admit I am wrong, but in this case I am.
I should recognize that these football players should not be "targeted" by us fans as not being wise when they are only doing what they like to do which is what everybody wants to do - the trhings that they like. So they make a milllion plus dollars - it is their life. Just be careful and if you are only 5'7" and weigh 147 pounds be extra careful, Brandon.
TeeterSalad wrote:I'm glad to hear BB is going to be ok, and hopefully his friend makes a speedy recovery as well. I have no problem with a successful 24 year old man going out and enjoying himself after midnight; athlete or not. He wasn't breaking any laws. Everybody should be able to go out and enjoy themselves no matter what time of day/night it is. This is America after all, land of the free right?
To everyone saying "nothing good ever happens after 12 am when you're out clubbing" or whatever. I'm pretty sure ST was indoors "behaving himself" when he suffered a much more tragic fate, who's to say when/where tragedy can strike. Plenty of people behave themselves at clubs after hours and get home safe and sound.
Who is anyone to judge what these guys are doing as long as they are behaving themselves and living by the laws and policies of the Country as well as their companies (in this case the NFL).
How about somebody giving the young guy some respect for coming to the aid of his friend and taking a knife in the side because of it; while possibly saving his friends life. Who would have thought that somebody could get stabbed while being couragous and honorable and still get all of this negativity from "fans."
TeeterSalad wrote:I find this post ignorant and highly offensive. You have no idea what these guys deal with or what they go through.
No I don't, nor do I ever want to. Especially since it would appear that to be a professional athlete these days (at least in the NFL and NBA) one must have a complete and total lack of common sense and/or personal protection skills.
Assuming I was in their position, I would probably RARELY if EVER leave my home for any sort of public place. I definitely would not go anywhere that does not have proper (ie... ARMED) security or where alcohol was served. Clubs, Bars, etc... would be totally off-limits.
As you have said in the past you have a very different set of standards than most people, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.
Some people choose to live their life without being entrapped by fear and paranoia, and sometimes that standard means taking some calculated risks and going out and "shaking your thing" when you feel like it. This young man should be allowed to enjoy his life without being judged so harshly by critics that don't seem to have one.
To be honest this discussion has disgusted me today, and if Brandon Banks every decided to come here and read this I would be embarrassed for most of the so called "fans" that have posted here so far. This forum is usually better than that.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:It's sentiments like this that make this world a worse place. It's sentiments like this and those of people who still want to seem Vick harmed cus of what he did that shows nobody can or is willing to forgive anymore.
I couldn't care any less about Michael Vick. He's not a player on a team that I follow so honestly I have no opinion on him one way or the other.
You're right... I don't forgive, and I never forget either. Banks has just basically trashed his reputation permanently so far as I'm concerned; and it will probably never be able to be recovered from in my mind.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:People who act like this, are IMHO WORSE than the people whom they judge. The criteria with which you are using to judge Banks is not only stereotypical but completely ignorant. I've been in that exact situation. I can count my trips to a club on one hand. Anyone who has met me here knows that nothing about me says "thug". Yet, I too got swept into something that didn't have anything to do with me.
I've never been in that situation. I agree. I don't go into ANY large public place without a sidearm and at least one reloading device for that sidearm. I avoid bars, clubs, and most other places that serve alcohol most of the time. Definitely after about 9pm. I don't put myself in a position to have to deal with that sort of garbage, but I make darn sure I'm ready to, if it comes to me.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Ive found throughout my short time on this planet that people who conduct themselves in a "holy art thou" manner, are typically the people doing the worst.
My way of doing things has netted me a grand total of 2 parking tickets in my 36 years of life. I've been pulled over three other times, but never gotten a ticket. I've never been arrested. I've never been questioned by the police. Mostly because I go out of my way to avoid being in the sort of places where those types of things happen.
His weapon, a crossbow with bolts.
Jesus man just cause you live your life one way do you expect everyone to do the same.
Nope. Smith & Wesson M&P9 with the 17 rounds hi-cap mags loaded with Cor-Bon, 115gr 9mm+P ammunition (and at least one additional mag on my person).
broomboy wrote:Jesus man just cause you live your life one way do you expect everyone to do the same.
True. However it also doesn't mean that I don't get great joy out of seeing people who choose not to live life my way get themselves in trouble because of it.
TeeterSalad wrote:As you have said in the past you have a very different set of standards than most people, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.
Just as I wouldn't expect most professional athletes to understand the proper way to live their lives. That doesn't mean I'm not going to comment on it when they screw their lives up by doing stupid stuff.
TeeterSalad wrote:Some people choose to live their life without being entrapped by fear and paranoia, and sometimes that standard means taking some calculated risks and going out and "shaking your thing" when you feel like it. This young man should be allowed to enjoy his life without being judged so harshly by critics that don't seem to have one.
Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. It's not fear and paranoia; it's called common sense, reason, and logic. I have a life, it just doesn't involve drugs, alcohol, or being out at 3am.
TeeterSalad wrote:To be honest this discussion has disgusted me today, and if Brandon Banks every decided to come here and read this I would be embarrassed for most of the so called "fans" that have posted here so far. This forum is usually better than that.
Just because he wears burgundy and gold does NOT mean that I have to like him, or root for him Teeter.
Apparently in your opinion, your example is what they should abide by.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Just as I wouldn't expect most professional athletes to understand the proper way to live their lives.
But yet if they conducted themselves in the manner in which you do, I'm sure you'd take issue with that also.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I've never been in that situation. I agree. I don't go into ANY large public place without a sidearm and at least one reloading device for that sidearm.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I avoid bars, clubs, and most other places that serve alcohol most of the time. Definitely after about 9pm. I don't put myself in a position to have to deal with that sort of garbage, but I make darn sure I'm ready to, if it comes to me.
So with that comment, YOU even admit that you can't control what happens. According to you, you don't do anything "reckless" but you feel the need to carry a gun with you because it could still happen. Seems like overkill.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Apparently in your opinion, your example is what they should abide by.
But yet if they conducted themselves in the manner in which you do, I'm sure you'd take issue with that also.
So long as they have the proper training and permits, I have no problem with them carrying.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:So with that comment, YOU even admit that you can't control what happens. According to you, you don't do anything "reckless" but you feel the need to carry a gun with you because it could still happen. Seems like overkill.
No, just proper prior planning. I go out of my way to avoid situations where it might be necessary; but I also intend to be ready if those situations come to me. Having said that, in over a decade of carrying, I've had a grand total of TWO instances where I thought I MIGHT need to draw the gun. Thankfully neither of them ended up requiring the use of force to remedy. However I was quite happy to have the option available to me at those moments, just in case.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. It's not fear and paranoia; it's called common sense, reason, and logic. I have a life, it just doesn't involve drugs, alcohol, or being out at 3am.
So let me get this straight...in your eyes anyone that goes out to a club should plan on having their friend assaulted by someone with a knife?
Maybe I'm out of the norm here but when I go out my checklist is more like this "Wallet with plenty of cash? Check. ID? Check. Keys? Check. Rubbers? Check." I've been seriously under-preparing.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Apparently in your opinion, your example is what they should abide by.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Just as I wouldn't expect most professional athletes to understand the proper way to live their lives.
But yet if they conducted themselves in the manner in which you do, I'm sure you'd take issue with that also.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I've never been in that situation. I agree. I don't go into ANY large public place without a sidearm and at least one reloading device for that sidearm.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I avoid bars, clubs, and most other places that serve alcohol most of the time. Definitely after about 9pm. I don't put myself in a position to have to deal with that sort of garbage, but I make darn sure I'm ready to, if it comes to me.
So with that comment, YOU even admit that you can't control what happens. According to you, you don't do anything "reckless" but you feel the need to carry a gun with you because it could still happen. Seems like overkill.
Before we turn this thread into another long drawn out conversation about how one person lives as opposed to most, I've started a thread in Smack that can address some of these opinions.
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Maybe I'm out of the norm here but when I go out my checklist is more like this "Wallet with plenty of cash? Check. ID? Check. Keys? Check. Rubbers? Check." I've been seriously under-preparing
With the way that Redskins_Fanatic lives his life he has absolutely no need for that
The people most likely to be hanging out at a club at 3:00a.m. are those with questionable morale.
This is the single dumbest and most ridiculous post that I have ever seen on this board.
this post of yours is a very good example of hyperbole and trying to hype a position- give it a rest - CHILL OUT - you may not agree with things but there really is no point in hyping it up and trying to overstate your position
"methinks he doth protest too much"
there have been many "stupid" posts here but this post of yours is just another in a never ending hyping and posturing post to try and make out like the other posts here are so far off base as to not be worth discussing
kind of typical I guess for what's happening right now
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
CanesSkins26 wrote: Again, how many incidents have taken place in DC where professional athletes, who are out at clubs and bars every weekend, have gotten hurt? BB is the only one that comes to mind.
with reference to NFL players - I just don't agree with you that there are NFL players out at clubs and bars EVERY weekend - that is just not a true statement and how would we really know?
I'm a person that loves to be out and about and in my younger days I used to see "closing time" a lot - I just do not agree that there are NFL athletes that are closing bars and clubs EVERY weekend
I just think that these guys are not doing that anymore - used to be that Sonny & Billy would be carousing in the bars of Georgetown a lot but even then I doubt that they closed bars and clubs EVERY weekend
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
with reference to NFL players - I just don't agree with you that there are NFL players out at clubs and bars EVERY weekend - that is just not a true statement and how would we really know?
Read TMZ, Page 6, PerezHilton, or any other similar celebrity or gossip site and you'll see what I'm taking about.
The people most likely to be hanging out at a club at 3:00a.m. are those with questionable morale.
This is the single dumbest and most ridiculous post that I have ever seen on this board.
this post of yours is a very good example of hyperbole and trying to hype a position- give it a rest - CHILL OUT - you may not agree with things but there really is no point in hyping it up and trying to overstate your position
"methinks he doth protest too much"
there have been many "stupid" posts here but this post of yours is just another in a never ending hyping and posturing post to try and make out like the other posts here are so far off base as to not be worth discussing
kind of typical I guess for what's happening right now
It's not hyperbole. A post questioning the morals of anybody being out late at a club is idiotic and ignorant.
Mississippi Hog wrote:Just sayin, but I am 29, and have never been to a club. Even in my early 20's the people I knew and hung out with were headed home by midnight or 1. at the latest. The only exception might be going to a Midnight movie on a Friday night. Other than that, I don't know many people that stayed out that late. The old saying proves true that nothing good happens out after 1am.
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Nah. I prefer the works of people like.... Massad Ayoob, Ken Hackathorne, Col. Jeff Cooper, etc.... You know, people who have actually been there and done that. It's also nice to read books by people that you actually know in person (for the most part) so you can ask questions the next time you see them.
That's also why I generally shoot anywhere from 150-300 rounds a month (most months) in practice/competition/training.
Another Harry Homeowner who has a bookshelf full of Tom Clancy
Nah. I prefer the works of people like.... Massad Ayoob, Ken Hackathorne, Col. Jeff Cooper, etc.... You know, people who have actually been there and done that. It's also nice to read books by people that you actually know in person (for the most part) so you can ask questions the next time you see them.
That's also why I generally shoot anywhere from 150-300 rounds a month (most months) in practice/competition/training.
Massad Ayoob has "been there and done that" I don't think so.
Cooper was the man I will give you that. Not sure what all the training is about, but 300 rounds is a pretty low round count if you are a competition shooter.
Another Harry Homeowner who has a bookshelf full of Tom Clancy
Nah. I prefer the works of people like.... Massad Ayoob, Ken Hackathorne, Col. Jeff Cooper, etc.... You know, people who have actually been there and done that. It's also nice to read books by people that you actually know in person (for the most part) so you can ask questions the next time you see them.
That's also why I generally shoot anywhere from 150-300 rounds a month (most months) in practice/competition/training.
Massad Ayoob has "been there and done that" I don't think so.
Cooper was the man I will give you that. Not sure what all the training is about, but 300 rounds is a pretty low round count if you are a competition shooter.
Dude, as we found out from his previous smack thread, he throws at least 8,000 lightning bolts a month. Have to count those as well.
You know they were fighting over a chick. This just goes to prove girls dont like short dudes...
Seems like there's plenty more detail to emerge yet. Whatever the details, I'm amazed at the level of vitriol that seems to have been raised in this thread, by the mere suggestion that professional athletes would be better served by not being out in clubs at 3am.
Like Skinsjock, I'm not suggesting that Banks was WRONG to be out at that time, nor that he should be stamped on for it. It is the offseason, and he has every right to be out enjoying himself. But any athlete who finds themselves appearing in the news pages instead of the sports pages should expect to have their decision making questioned.
You know they were fighting over a chick. This just goes to prove girls dont like short dudes...
Seems like there's plenty more detail to emerge yet. Whatever the details, I'm amazed at the level of vitriol that seems to have been raised in this thread, by the mere suggestion that professional athletes would be better served by not being out in clubs at 3am.
Like Skinsjock, I'm not suggesting that Banks was WRONG to be out at that time, nor that he should be stamped on for it. It is the offseason, and he has every right to be out enjoying himself. But any athlete who finds themselves appearing in the news pages instead of the sports pages should expect to have their decision making questioned.
Agreed... but, despite the vitriol... it is pretty stupid. Again, youth is wasted on the young.
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You know they were fighting over a chick. This just goes to prove girls dont like short dudes...
Seems like there's plenty more detail to emerge yet. Whatever the details, I'm amazed at the level of vitriol that seems to have been raised in this thread, by the mere suggestion that professional athletes would be better served by not being out in clubs at 3am.
Like Skinsjock, I'm not suggesting that Banks was WRONG to be out at that time, nor that he should be stamped on for it. It is the offseason, and he has every right to be out enjoying himself. But any athlete who finds themselves appearing in the news pages instead of the sports pages should expect to have their decision making questioned.
I also don't see the reason for all of the hating. Just because someone is acting within their rights doesn't mean what they are doing is smart. Like it or not, there are higher standards for the behavior of professional athletes. You have to choose your actions and (especially) your friends very carefully. It looks like Banks put a little too much trust in a hot-headed friend, even if they ended being the ones who were victimized.
