KazooSkinsFan wrote:Question on this one. Are you saying you don't believe libel is ever a basis for "damage payments"
That's right. You could say I hold a minority opinion on this.
Are you against all civil lawsuits? While I would operate it very differently then it is now in that in my system the "guilty" pay rather then the ones with money, that seems to be a legitimate government function to me, arbitrating disputes between citizens and compensating for harm caused.
Without getting too far afield, no, I'm not against all civil lawsuits. I also favor restitution over purely punitive measures, as having a guy rot in jail doesn't really serve anyone's interests IMHO.
PulpExposure wrote:Just read this on the Washington Post.
Memo to Dan Snyder: Thank you for your stewardship of the Redskins
To: Daniel Snyder, owner, Washington Redskins
From: Gene Weingarten
Re: Your lawsuit against the Washington City Paper because of an unflattering article about you.
I just want you to know you have my full support in this matter, as I support everything you have done during your stewardship of the Redskins. You rock. I wish you good health and long life and hope you run the franchise for many, many years to come. I say this with utmost sincerity as a lifelong fan of the New York Giants.
I know you are taking some criticism today from carping media types. They seem to think that you are not only behaving like a petty, vindictive bully but also that you are being strategically stupid - by bringing a vast new audience to a three-month-old, otherwise-obscure alternative-media piece, which can be found here.
I understand why you were upset by this article. By unkindly focusing only on the negative aspect of your ownership, the author, Dave McKenna, is suggesting that you are an avaricious, imperious, conscienceless plutocrat with callous contempt for the fans; a man whose Napoleonic, pouter-pigeon swagger conceals a doofus-like understanding of the game and whose pernicious, autocratic meddling has consigned the team to perpetual mediocrity and its players and coaches to a perennial state of harrowing anxiety, all of this starting virtually from the moment you arrived and continuing to this very minute.
This could cause a casual reader to conclude you are the most malign and incompetent owner in the history of organized sports, which is completely unfair. Because of his agenda, McKenna fails to contextualize all of this - neglecting to mention, to use just one obvious example, that former Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott used to let her dog poop on the playing field.
But I digress. The point I want to make - and I think I can speak not only for myself but for all Giants fans - is that you have been very, very good to us, and we appreciate it. It's not easy being an ardent supporter of a football team. In this sport, the cliche is mostly true: On any given Sunday, any team can defeat any other team. Such is the nature of this game, which is so often influenced by injuries and so often subject to the effects of intangibles like momentum. This keeps the devoted fan in a constant state of stress. You can't take any win for granted.
But thanks to you, twice a season we can. Nothing is certain, of course, but when a Redskins game approaches, we at least know that we will be facing a team in spiritual disarray, whose players have been assembled largely by whim and impulse and ego, coached by a person as insecure as a teenage girl at a prom, with a nose zit.
It helps. It helps a lot.
After another losing season in which your recently acquired $78 million over-the-hill quarterback got benched and your corpulent $100 million defensive lineman simply refused to play, it is heartening to see you focusing your resources on trying to punish a newspaper.
Yes, it may be a dreadfully arrogant and stupid thing to do. But the point is, you seem to want to do it. And believe me, what makes you happy makes me happy.
I'm not a Snyder fan by any stretch but I cannot stand the NY Giants - the funny thing is, I don't know why. I also think that any fan & all fans of the NY Giants is moronic - that's not really right because the fans have nothing to do with the stupidity that happens on the field of play; it's just me
I'm looking forward to the day this moronic idiot, NY Giants fan gets to see his team lose twice a year to the Redskins - it will not be because Snyder suddenly stopped being stupid, it will be because the Redskins are a much better football franchise
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Man, that was the worst statement I have ever read. It looks like something a college or even high school kid would write. But what I really don't get is the anti-semetic rant. Are horns or a goatte really anti-semetic??? I was never aware of that.
This memo, however, contains all the classic characteristics of Snyder: whiny, childish, entitled, and (above all) insecure.
markshark84 wrote:Man, that was the worst statement I have ever read. It looks like something a college or even high school kid would write. But what I really don't get is the anti-semetic rant. Are horns or a goatte really anti-semetic??? I was never aware of that.
This memo, however, contains all the classic characteristics of Snyder: whiny, childish, entitled, and (above all) insecure.
I thought he was just saying he thought the devil was drawn to look Jewish, not that the devil was anti-Semitic in itself. But it's a great example of my point that if you're right (referring to the critiquer) then objective statements like that are a lot more powerful then subjective ones. It's horrible writing. The worst writers are journalists and English teachers.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
CanesSkins26 wrote:... It's pretty clear from reading that that Snyder and his people have no interest in winning the lawsuit on the merits. They are just trying to bury the paper in legal fees in hopes of getting a settlement.
The paper has set up a fund for folks that want to help them in the case against Snyder. Link below:
CanesSkins26 wrote:... It's pretty clear from reading that that Snyder and his people have no interest in winning the lawsuit on the merits. They are just trying to bury the paper in legal fees in hopes of getting a settlement.
The paper has set up a fund for folks that want to help them in the case against Snyder. Link below:
I think Snyder's a moron for pursuing this. Silence would have been the best position to take. But it was a lame, poorly written hack job of a piece and I can't see why anyone would actually pay to help them defend themselves from that. Even a minimally competent article wouldn't have required any defense. All they had to do was write a semi-objective piece and let his own words and actions hang him. The only reason Snyder can even contemplate this is how skewed the article was. I support the right of writing skewed articles, but I'd never donate a dime to protect them from writing them.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Dan Snyder Said He Was Advised To Sue The Washington City Paper Feb 04 2:34p by Mike Prada
Dan Snyder just did a radio hit for ESPN 980 (his station, for the record) discussing his lawsuit against the Washington City Paper for libel and character defamation stemming from a November 18 article by Dave McKenna titled "The Cranky Redskins Fan Guide To Dan Snyder." In it, Snyder said that Tony Wyllie, the team's senior vice presidentt, advised him to go forward with the lawsuit.
"All I did was support Tony Wyllie. He wanted to do it," he said.
He was asked about the timing at the Super Bowl, and he said that was his lawyers' decision. As for the reason for the lawsuit, he reiterated that it was simply a matter of right and wrong.
"What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. There's nothing more to it. It's as simple as that."
Snyder reiterated that he did not like what he felt was an anti-Semitic depiction of him on the cover photo (calling it "not nice" and "not appropriate").
"They've been doing this since the Nazis and before. You don't do it," he said, though it wasn't clear who "they" were.
He said he just wanted an apology from McKenna. He said he hasn't met McKenna, but believes he was in the wrong.
"If someone calls you a criminal, and makes fun of your wife who's battling breast cancer, shame on you," he said.
Finally, he said that he respects the media, but took a dig at the Washington Post and other traditional media outlets.
"I understand the Washington Post has a field day...that's what they do. Old media is trying to survive. Radio is on the up and up," he said.
. IMHO, that man is an embarrassment. I honestly feel bad for him, because he's been very successful in some ways but is so clumsy and incompetent in so many others — and you can tell that his failures really get to him.
I certainly hope he doesn't really believe that "radio is on the up and up," or at least isn't investing as though that's true. But given some of his other business decisions, it wouldn't surprise me.
Irn-Bru wrote:ROTFALMAO. IMHO, that man is an embarrassment. I honestly feel bad for him, because he's been very successful in some ways but is so clumsy and incompetent in so many others — and you can tell that his failures really get to him.
I certainly hope he doesn't really believe that "radio is on the up and up," or at least isn't investing as though that's true. But given some of his other business decisions, it wouldn't surprise me.
Seriously, how bad must it be to work for the guy? Wylie is right now picking himself up off the ground; someone just threw him right under the bus.
CanesSkins26 wrote:So now the lawsuit was someone else's idea?
Dan Snyder Said He Was Advised To Sue The Washington City Paper Feb 04 2:34p by Mike Prada
Dan Snyder just did a radio hit for ESPN 980 (his station, for the record) discussing his lawsuit against the Washington City Paper for libel and character defamation stemming from a November 18 article by Dave McKenna titled "The Cranky Redskins Fan Guide To Dan Snyder." In it, Snyder said that Tony Wyllie, the team's senior vice presidentt, advised him to go forward with the lawsuit.
"All I did was support Tony Wyllie. He wanted to do it," he said.
He was asked about the timing at the Super Bowl, and he said that was his lawyers' decision. As for the reason for the lawsuit, he reiterated that it was simply a matter of right and wrong.
"What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. There's nothing more to it. It's as simple as that."
Snyder reiterated that he did not like what he felt was an anti-Semitic depiction of him on the cover photo (calling it "not nice" and "not appropriate").
"They've been doing this since the Nazis and before. You don't do it," he said, though it wasn't clear who "they" were.
He said he just wanted an apology from McKenna. He said he hasn't met McKenna, but believes he was in the wrong.
"If someone calls you a criminal, and makes fun of your wife who's battling breast cancer, shame on you," he said.
Finally, he said that he respects the media, but took a dig at the Washington Post and other traditional media outlets.
"I understand the Washington Post has a field day...that's what they do. Old media is trying to survive. Radio is on the up and up," he said.
What a totally and complete idiot. Again, does he really think we are that stupid??? One of the major things Snyder has shown us over the years is he is a TOTAL control freak -- and now he wants us to believe he was "advised" to sue and it really wasn't his call.....
Sorry, but Snyder's name is the one that appears on the complaint -- NOT Wyllies. Snyder is the one that has ultimate authority to sue or not sue, not some dude that Danny boy hires. He has to sign off on it. If he really didn't want to do it, he wouldn't have.
What a little wimp. Throwing some other guy right under the bus in an effort to help his reputation. He is truly scum of the earth.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:What an idiot. It's at the point where I feel bad for him.
I understand CLL - but I don't feel bad, I feel sorry for him - this guy has made so many bad judgements and decisions and he just doesn't seem to learn - Snyder has so much to be grateful for and yet he continues to put himself in a situation that people can point to
I, in NO WAY condone the article - I think it was over the top ... but geez Dan - give it a break
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I swear I did not draft that letter for that Giants' fan. You all know that I despise Dan Snyder's association with ANYTHING related to the Redskins.
What he is doing in terms of enhancing his poor image, worsening already terrible public relations, taking untimely legal actions, and just putting together all of his worst personality trademarks is just PROVING for everybody to see that the arguments raised against him, that the criticisms compiled by several writers and the poor opinions that Redskins fans and the rest of the NFL truly make him the LAUGHING JOKE of professional sports and the business community in the DC area.
Did anybody see the signature below that AWFUL letter filed on his behalf?
Donovan. Yes, Donovan !!! Did anybody expect anything better from somebody whose unenviable job is to try to defend the public image of Dan Snyder? Talk about Mission Impossible.
Dan Snyder has added up enough enemies and animosities among so many media members, fans, former employees, former players and people in the business community that there will be plenty of high caliber lawyers lining up to help this paper.
It is DC. Some legal firm will take the case on a probono basis (as a public service) for the pleasure of embarrassing Dan Snyder and dragging his name in the mud even FURTHER.
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
Without going anywhere near taking Mr Snyder's side, I found this different slant to be refreshing.
It doesn't alter what Snyder is, or isn't, but reflects my wish that we could all stop having to talk about him. Og course, that would be easier for us all to do if he would just stand down the lawyers, and give us all the winning football that we're desperate for.
UK Skins Fan wrote:Without going anywhere near taking Mr Snyder's side, I found this different slant to be refreshing.
It doesn't alter what Snyder is, or isn't, but reflects my wish that we could all stop having to talk about him. Og course, that would be easier for us all to do if he would just stand down the lawyers, and give us all the winning football that we're desperate for.
I would love to stop saying a word about him but time after time he does his best to bring his own name in the worst possible light. He is what he is and he cannot change his stripes.
(with apologies to all tigers in the world).
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
UK Skins Fan wrote:Without going anywhere near taking Mr Snyder's side, I found this different slant to be refreshing.
It doesn't alter what Snyder is, or isn't, but reflects my wish that we could all stop having to talk about him. Og course, that would be easier for us all to do if he would just stand down the lawyers, and give us all the winning football that we're desperate for.
I would love to stop saying a word about him but time after time he does his best to bring his own name in the worst possible light. He is what he is and he cannot change his stripes.
(with apologies to all tigers in the world).
Agreed. Snyder brings all the attention and criticism upon himself by his actions. I think most fans would be happy to stop talking about Snyder, but he has been at the root of the Redskins' problems for over ten years now.
Now he has even less of a chance to win anything ... as usual.
Can anybody please bring the Anti-SLAPP Act to his attention, or better yet, that of his legal counsel?
A PR disaster turning into a VERY PUBLIC legal defeat. MORON always bringing bad press to himself.
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
