Where should those insulted by "Redskin" go to cha

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:49 pm

It's sad that now even being insulted is a basis of lawyers and courts. I personally don't think that since the name is intended to offend anyone that anyone should take offense. But if they can convince people by writing editorials, picketing, whatever, then that's fine. I have no respect for them being insulted and running to a lawyer and complaining to government that they were insulted and therefore government has to take action to stop it. It's just pathetic.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:17 pm

I've always had this stance - and I have Native American blood in my family's history here - that the Redskins is in honor of the tradition and history of their people. There's really two ways to look at it. You can think it's demeaning or you could say that this sports franchise is not just selecting one tribe to honor, like the Seminoles, but the entire Native Americans as a whole.

Given our lack of recent success, one could say that we aren't really honoring them based on our on field performance but you get the point. The intent is there.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:57 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Given our lack of recent success, one could say that we aren't really honoring them based on our on field performance but you get the point. The intent is there.

You made me laugh, Frank

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:14 pm

Actually by continuing to publicize the issue, you are supporting their complaint. In order to be taken seriously they have to have continuous publicity. Discussion like this help them to keep the subject alive.

TCIYM · Post by **TCIYM** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:26 pm

aswas71788 wrote:Actually by continuing to publicize the issue, you are supporting their complaint. In order to be taken seriously they have to have continuous publicity. Discussion like this help them to keep the subject alive.

In order to be taken seriously they have to have a tangible, substantive claim of actual damages. Good luck proving the use of the name "Washington Redskins" causes damages to anything other than my feelings at times.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:41 pm

Oh . . . I'm sorry . . . . what were we talking about again?

welch · Post by **welch** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:53 pm

I don't care. By the way, I always thought the name came because the team wanted to suggest a link to the Boston Braves, and I think the Braves were named after the Liberty Boys who dressed as Indians for the Boston tea Party.

Similar to NY Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers football teams. Chicago Cubs / Chicago Bears.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:12 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:

Oh . . . I'm sorry . . . . what were we talking about again?

You worn out on the Redskins name discussion?

Actually, the poll was more for my polling amusement. I mentioned I'm a six sigma blackbelt. I can design good polls, or use my knowledge for evil. Like here. The interesting answer is actually the zero on the first one. Even though the PC correct crowd want the government to force us to change the name, as collectivists, they think the government is "The People." That's why I phrased it that way, government should do it and not The People. In their mind they delude themselves into believing that when the government does it on behalf of their political ideology, "The People" did it. They aren't able to resolve that, that government forcing the people to do something isn't the people doing it. So they don't vote.

If it had been a serious poll, I'd have phrased it an answer they were comfortable with, implying it was on behalf of the People that government had to step in. Sorry for that, but it did amuse me. And my amusement is my goal...

welch · Post by **welch** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:10 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:

Oh . . . I'm sorry . . . . what were we talking about again?
You worn out on the Redskins name discussion?

Actually, the poll was more for my polling amusement. I mentioned I'm a six sigma blackbelt. I can design good polls, or use my knowledge for evil. Like here. The interesting answer is actually the zero on the first one. Even though the PC correct crowd want the government to force us to change the name, as collectivists, they think the government is "The People." That's why I phrased it that way, government should do it and not The People. In their mind they delude themselves into believing that when the government does it on behalf of their political ideology, "The People" did it. They aren't able to resolve that, that government forcing the people to do something isn't the people doing it. So they don't vote.

If it had been a serious poll, I'd have phrased it an answer they were comfortable with, implying it was on behalf of the People that government had to step in. Sorry for that, but it did amuse me. And my amusement is my goal...

How, or when, did you become a *gasp* Six Sigma Blackbelt? I'm just a Greenbelt, but I still remember sitting at in a conference room at a building called "Metro North", alongside my boss plus Mike Knuple and Doug Hurley, when someone from Engineering asked, "What about DFSS?". And were were stunned by the acronym-insight!

[Note: you have to know about DMAIC to understand DFSS.]

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:33 pm

welch wrote:[Note: you have to know about DMAIC to understand DFSS.]

I know about DMAIC:
Define
Measure
Analyze
Improve
Control

but I don't have a clue about DFSS. What is that?

TCIYM · Post by **TCIYM** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:23 pm

Deadskins wrote:I don't have a clue about DFSS. What is that?

Design For Six Sigma

DFSS

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:58 pm

welch wrote:How, or when, did you become a *gasp* Six Sigma Blackbelt? I'm just a Greenbelt, but I still remember sitting at in a conference room at a building called "Metro North", alongside my boss plus Mike Knuple and Doug Hurley, when someone from Engineering asked, "What about DFSS?". And were were stunned by the acronym-insight!

[Note: you have to know about DMAIC to understand DFSS.]

Mike Knuple? You're kidding. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong guy, his wife knew mine and I got the referral bonus for bringing him into GE. Would have been somewhere in the very late 80s or very early 90s. Ask if he remembers "kaz." Oops, not the name he'd know. I think I gave you my name in PM's. I'll send again. I was at GEIS from 88-93. I worked in the business communications group, then in RXM and then on the (then) new Unix platform. I worked both on North Washington and Metro North there. I left GEIS in 1993 though, well before Six Sigma.

After GEIS I got my MBA and went into Consulting. Then I came back and worked at GE Nuclear in San Jose, then GE Power in Atlanta, then I went to Stamford, CT and I was the eBusiness Black Belt at Capital Corporate before they broke Capital into four businesses in 2001. I then went to Consumer Finance and outsourced as many American jobs to India as I could before I left the company and went back into Consulting.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:01 pm

Deadskins wrote:
welch wrote:[Note: you have to know about DMAIC to understand DFSS.]
I know about DMAIC:
Define
Measure
Analyze
Improve
Control

but I don't have a clue about DFSS. What is that?

DMAIC is the basic Six Sigma for process improvement. DFSS istands for "Design for six sigma." DFSS Blackbelts would be DMAIC blackbelts first in my experience. The problem with DFSS versus DMAIC is you can't collect data on an existing process since you're designing a new process. So it's more complicated. I am somewhat familiar with DFSS, but I never did a DFSS project and I'm definitely a vanilla DMAIC blackbelt.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:26 pm

Soooo... Now we're playing "Six Degrees of Welch"

welch · Post by **welch** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:54 am

Yep, and it seems that Kaz and I had lunch together a few times, since I always, when I visited division HQ in Rockville, had lunch with a group of programmers Kaz knows.

In fact, I made the last sale of RXM, which was a lucrative (credit) risk management system especially for global FX trading.

Industrial Bank of Japan (IBJ) wanted our RXM, but wanted to run it in-house. Engineering had almost finished RXM II, which ran on HP UNIX servers, so we could run it at our data centers, like RXM I, or a bank could run it themselves. So, I figured, why not sell RXM II to IBJ and use the $7 million fee to finish the system? That gave IBJ the in-house system they wanted, and would have given our unit of GE a next-generation version of RXM.

Unfortunately, the division president needed some extra money at the end of '99 or 2000, so he sold RXM to Sungard, which took the customers and dumped several developers that Kaz and I would know. RXM generated about $30 or $40 million a year on very little investment. Harvey, the big boss, sold it for about $40 million...classic blunder.

Right...very small world.

Incidentally, my boss and I both assumed that the "DFSS" guy was just trying to throw a "gotcha" at us, since the VP of Sales had already decided that we would implement this externally developed "sales force automation" system, and that the numbers it generated would help the "master black-belts" analyze the division for corporate HQ.

Double incidentally: that's the same Mike Knuple. He was working in the internal information system group then...about 1997.

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Where should those insulted by "Redskin" go to cha

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Where should those insulted by "Redskin" go to cha