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CanesSkins26 wrote: The difference between AA and Bryant though is that Bryant has been in the league for a number of years and hasn't shown much ability. He first came into the league in 2005 and since that time has started 6 games and has 19 career tackles. It's crazy to think that one good performance is an indicator that after all this time the guy can be a starter. AA might be around the same age but he is just a rookie, so there is a big difference between the two.
By the way, him being on other teams before ours means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Please google James Harrison of the Steelers if you want proof. I'm not here to discount that it's going to be an uphill battle for him, but seeing that he has only played in one other 3-4 scheme (that being the Ravens stocked full of talent at that position) in his past, suggests not to discount his ability in this scheme.
I have no idea what in the world you are talking about. First of all, James Harrison was getting significant PT by his third NFL season, playing in all 16 games for the Steelers in 2004. Harrison was briefly on the Ravens practice squad must other than that has been with the Steelers for his entire career. Bryant, on the other hand, has been with the Bucs, Lions, Falcons, Ravens, Dolphins, and Giants.
Let me spell this out for you so you DO understand.
James Harrison is an example of how a player can be on multiple teams and practice squad player and end up a pro bowler/ def player of the year so don't discount that others aren't going to make it because of the same path. As I said, it's a long shot, but the fact that Bryant has been with other teams has NOTHING to do with whether he will make it here or not. You threw Bryant under the bus saying that, and I used James Harrison as an example that your claim is BS.
Secondly, your facts on Harrison are totally off. He didn't even play until 2007 as a starting LB when Porter was cut. Rather than spending time proving your wrong, I'll just paste the link. Thanks Understand yet?
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Secondly, your facts on Harrison are totally off. He didn't even play until 2007 as a starting LB when Porter was cut. Rather than spending time proving your wrong, I'll just paste the link. Thanks Understand yet?
Where did I say that he was a starter before 2007? I said he was getting significant playing time by his third year in the league, which is 100 percent true.

If you look at his profile on NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesharriso ... =HAR600985 you will see that in his 3rd NFL season (2004) he got PT in all 16 games and started 4 at linebacker.

Comparing a guy that has spent his entire career with one team, except for a brief stint on the practice squad of another, and was getting some starts by his third season to a guy who has been on 7 teams in 5 seasons is absurd.
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Exactly, it's not especially rare for a guy to get scooped up off a practice squad of another team and go on to have success. It would be defying all odds for a guy to escape the attention of SEVEN other teams though.
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I just love it when we're on the receiving end though :roll:

I got to say it's kind of fun having guys here now that will bring in guys that they think might make it in the NFL even though all the odds of that guy succeeding are stacked against him - Hell Brady went through 5 rounds and nobody thought that he was worth much as a QB - Gannon was "done" here and went on to good things out in Oakland

Look, I'm not thinking that Bryant, or any of these guys are going to turn into great players but if they show that they will do everything they can to make it, they'll likely get a shot here because this franchise needs players that want to make it, really badly, and want to make the other players around them better

most all the players in the NFL have a lot of talent - finding the right "mix" is not that easy but it's a lot easier when the scouting and evaluation is being done by NFL type guys and not a stupid owner and his "yes man" buddy :lol:
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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LOOK, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF VARIATIONS OF BLACK UNIFORMS NEXT YEAR :lol:
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SkinsJock wrote: I got to say it's kind of fun having guys here now that will bring in guys that they think might make it in the NFL even though all the odds of that guy succeeding are stacked against him - Hell Brady went through 5 rounds and nobody thought that he was worth much as a QB - Gannon was "done" here and went on to good things out in Oakland

Look, I'm not thinking that Bryant, or any of these guys are going to turn into great players but if they show that they will do everything they can to make it, they'll likely get a shot here because this franchise needs players that want to make it, really badly, and want to make the other players around them better
Or looking at it in the more pessimistic way, one reason why these undrafted guys are playing for the Skins is because maybe the team just doesn't have enough talent, so the Skins don't have anyone better ;)
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SkinsJock wrote: I got to say it's kind of fun having guys here now that will bring in guys that they think might make it in the NFL even though all the odds of that guy succeeding are stacked against him - Hell Brady went through 5 rounds and nobody thought that he was worth much as a QB - Gannon was "done" here and went on to good things out in Oakland

Look, I'm not thinking that Bryant, or any of these guys are going to turn into great players but if they show that they will do everything they can to make it, they'll likely get a shot here because this franchise needs players that want to make it, really badly, and want to make the other players around them better
Or looking at it in the more pessimistic way, one reason why these undrafted guys are playing for the Skins is because maybe the team just doesn't have enough talent, so the Skins don't have anyone better ;)
And another would be that these guys don't evaluate talent that well to begin with, so they have kept better players on the bench.
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^^^ you can have a pessimistic way to look at it - that's your choice - have fun with it :twisted:

I see a franchise that has "improved" since these guys took over - I look at the many mistakes they've made & I think these guys will continue to make many more, NO MATTER - the franchise is still getting better

I think that we have a better chance with these guys than we had with the previous guys AND these are "our" guys for a little while longer
I like to support my team - while I am not blind to their many mistakes I think that we'll continue to get better

some guys see lemons and think, great we can make lemonade others see a bunch of sour fruit :lol:
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SkinsJock wrote:^^^ you can have a pessimistic way to look at it - that's your choice - have fun with it :twisted:
Never said that was my view, just another pessimistic way of looking at it. I'm more of an optimist than you are, SJ, as is evidenced by our season record predictions this year. Well, I'm more optimistic about the team, anyway, maybe not the coaches. :lol:
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SkinsJock wrote:^^^ you can have a pessimistic way to look at it - that's your choice - have fun with it :twisted:
Never said that was my view, just another pessimistic way of looking at it. I'm more of an optimist than you are, SJ, as is evidenced by our season record predictions this year. Well, I'm more optimistic about the team, anyway, maybe not the coaches. :lol:
I'll accept that - :wink:

I must admit i had forgotten your unbridled enthusiasm in predicting how well we would do this year and I understand your opinion of the staff

we are in their hands and in that regard we're better off - I hope that all of the coaching staff takes a close look at all the areas that they need to do better at this coming season - this was not good coaching IMO from top to bottom
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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SkinsJock wrote:
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SkinsJock wrote:^^^ you can have a pessimistic way to look at it - that's your choice - have fun with it :twisted:
Never said that was my view, just another pessimistic way of looking at it. I'm more of an optimist than you are, SJ, as is evidenced by our season record predictions this year. Well, I'm more optimistic about the team, anyway, maybe not the coaches. :lol:
I'll accept that - :wink:

I must admit i had forgotten your unbridled enthusiasm in predicting how well we would do this year and I understand your opinion of the staff

we are in their hands and in that regard we're better off - I hope that all of the coaching staff takes a close look at all the areas that they need to do better at this coming season - this was not good coaching IMO from top to bottom
What a great idea-- that the coaching staff should take a close look at all the areas they need to do better at this coming season. This info should be passed on to Shanny. Without it, he may decide just to pass his time reading romance novels.

And, again, you're right. We are in the hands of the coaching staff and it's got to be better than Zorn and Co. What staff isn't?
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what an insightful addition :puke:
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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