BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:What has been lost is that Donovan hasn't been thrown under the bus, technically this is an evaluation period and he's still captain and Mike hasn't ruled out anything for him possibly starting next year. That shows alot of class in a difficult situation in which Mike could have pointed to the terrible accuracy and immobility of late.
Then why is McNabb's agent publicly discussing the disrespect with which McNabb has been treated by Shanahan and company?
BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:What has been lost is that Donovan hasn't been thrown under the bus, technically this is an evaluation period and he's still captain and Mike hasn't ruled out anything for him possibly starting next year. That shows alot of class in a difficult situation in which Mike could have pointed to the terrible accuracy and immobility of late.
Then why is McNabb's agent publicly discussing the disrespect with which McNabb has been treated by Shanahan and company?
Why did Donovan sign a contract in which all the leverage is given to the Redskins after being "dissed" by Shanahan after the Lions game? Look, this is the NFL. Crying about being dissed is so elementary. You don't play well and worse than that don't follow the guidelines of you offensive coordinator you supposed to get yanked. Note to Donovan - start exercising and get in the best shape of your life (you are clearly over weight) and come back and take your starting job back. You are the QB that this team needs the question is do you want it - you sure don't act like it. And fans, stop whining, you got a coach that is bringing a hard working winning attitude to this organization. If you practice and play hard you will reap the rewards if not, no matter your draft position, you will be benched. Ask Dock, Albert, Hicks and Donovan.
Red_One43 wrote:Why did Donovan sign a contract in which all the leverage is given to the Redskins after being "dissed" by Shanahan after the Lions game? Look, this is the NFL. Crying about being dissed is so elementary. You don't play well and worse than that don't follow the guidelines of you offensive coordinator you supposed to get yanked. Note to Donovan - start exercising and get in the best shape of your life (you are clearly over weight) and come back and take your starting job back. You are the QB that this team needs the question is do you want it - you sure don't act like it. And fans, stop whining, you got a coach that is bringing a hard working winning attitude to this organization. If you practice and play hard you will reap the rewards if not, no matter your draft position, you will be benched. Ask Dock, Albert, Hicks and Donovan.
McNabb isn't the one discussing the lack of respect. His agent is. And so are a few members here who aren't wearing horse blinders. What would be wrong with saying "Look, we know Donovan is a good QB but we made a mistake in thinking he would fit what we are trying to do here. He would be a great fit in a different scheme."
It's a little over a year and I'm not ready to give up on these guys yet and fortunately, I think, they are going to be given a little more time to make things work here
There have been some mistakes - big deal - most times people learn more from their mistakes
There have been some good things too
I am convinced there is a far different attitude around Redskins Park and on the field each week - the players and coaches are far more intense and serious about the game than they used to be
I think these guys are still a work in progress and I'm looking for a possible playoff position for the Washington Redskins next year - if we have any play
I still think these guys can get it done and I'm looking forward to seeing them do it
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Red_One43 wrote:Why did Donovan sign a contract in which all the leverage is given to the Redskins after being "dissed" by Shanahan after the Lions game? Look, this is the NFL. Crying about being dissed is so elementary. You don't play well and worse than that don't follow the guidelines of you offensive coordinator you supposed to get yanked. Note to Donovan - start exercising and get in the best shape of your life (you are clearly over weight) and come back and take your starting job back. You are the QB that this team needs the question is do you want it - you sure don't act like it. And fans, stop whining, you got a coach that is bringing a hard working winning attitude to this organization. If you practice and play hard you will reap the rewards if not, no matter your draft position, you will be benched. Ask Dock, Albert, Hicks and Donovan.
McNabb isn't the one discussing the lack of respect. His agent is. And so are a few members here who aren't wearing horse blinders. What would be wrong with saying "Look, we know Donovan is a good QB but we made a mistake in thinking he would fit what we are trying to do here. He would be a great fit in a different scheme."
There is nothing wrong with admitting mistakes even for a coach, but we are talking about Shanahan, aren't we? But in fairness to Shanahan, I was listening to the FAN yesterday on the LaVar an Dukes show. One of the hosts said that Shanahan was quoted as saying that if Donovan is not here next year it would be a mistake. I, like a lot of fans, would love to have a good coach with a good personality. We had that in Gibbs and we were probably spoiled from having him. We have Shanahan and for all his quirks, I believe that he is bringing a winning attitude here to this organization with his emphasis on work ethic. Bruce Allen has restructured contracts and a lot of guys with big contracts will be released so Shanny will be able to pursue his guys during free agency. It is clear that his priority this year is to find who will be here next year. It is clear that he is trying to lay a foundation for continued winning for years to come instead of winning this year and losing the next like we had in 2005 winning, 2006 losing, 2007 winning, 2008 non-winning/non-losing.
Apparently on his weekly radio show today - McNabb indicated that he felt that Mike did not show him any respect in the way he handled letting McNabb know he would not be playing against the Cowboys - I'm not sure if it was the timing or the way that Mike did it
HOWEVER - McNabb also indicated that he hoped he would be the starting QB for the Redskins next season
I happen to think that McNabb will not be here next season but I also believe that Mike will make that decision ONLY if he feels that he can bring in someone better
I don't think Mike's a fool like many here - Mike is not going to just let McNabb go even after all that has happened here this season
Mike will let him go if he thinks he can bring in someone better to run the offense and THAT is not a given IMO
see, I like Mcnabb better than Grossman AND I think Mike will ONLY replace McNabb if he finds someone he thinks can do the job better
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Apparently on his weekly radio show today - McNabb indicated that he felt that Mike did not show him any respect in the way he handled letting McNabb know he would not be playing against the Cowboys - I'm not sure if it was the timing or the way that Mike did it
HOWEVER - McNabb also indicated that he hoped he would be the starting QB for the Redskins next season
I happen to think that McNabb will not be here next season but I also believe that Mike will make that decision ONLY if he feels that he can bring in someone better
I don't think Mike's a fool like many here - Mike is not going to just let McNabb go even after all that has happened here this season Mike will let him go if he thinks he can bring in someone better to run the offense and THAT is not a given IMO
see, I like Mcnabb better than Grossman AND I think Mike will ONLY replace McNabb if he finds someone he thinks can do the job better
I agree with you. 1. McNabb doesn't have any choice in the matter - the Redskins hold all the cards in the contract so he has to say the right things. 2. The contract is structured so that the Redskins can get rid of McNabb when they want to and the want to would have to be because they have another option possibly - Interim - Grossman and QB in waiting - drafted rookie. 3. Shanahan has admitted that it would be a mistake to have aquired McNabb if he isn't on the team next year. I believe that admission is saying that he plans for McNabb to be here because he ain't admitting a mistake was made unless he can make amends for the mistake by a trade. No Mike is no fool but somehow he apparently played the fool in aquiring McNabb in the first place, but that is alright because Everybody plays the fool, sometimes.
I think that Mike under-estimated McNabbs playing ability with Kyle's offense and his practice habits - I think he got the QB leader he wanted AND he definetly upgraded the QB position
I think the Eagles underestimated what McNabb might be worth to other franchises and kind of pulled the trigger and let him go to a team in their division ONLY because they were not sure that there might be anyone willing to give up more
both franchises made mistakes in judgement with this deal - no big deal
ANYWAY - we now have a QB under contract that we can make the decision on whether to let him go, trade or keep him for another year - I think if we cannot get the QB we need/want then we're keeping him
We may have to hope that we can motivate him to want to work harder to be the starting QB here - be interesting to see the dynamics play out if we cannot find another starting QB
I think Grossman is getting an opportunity to show if he should be kept as the back-up or not and that's all - I doubt that Grossman can show Shanahan that he's a better starting QB than McNabb but what do I know
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I think that Mike under-estimated McNabbs playing ability with Kyle's offense and his practice habits - I think he got the QB leader he wanted AND he definetly upgraded the QB position
In Sally Jenkin's column in the Washington Post, Monday Dec. 20th, she wrote about McNabb being a free-lancer and improvisational. I had never heard these issues about McNabb. I always assumed that he followed Andy Reid's plan to a "t." Maybe that's the issue, now that he is from under Reid, he decided to do as he felt were his strengths or betterstill, It was never an issue under Reid, so who knew? Just my opinion as to how Shanahan might not have known about Donovan's habits. I do agree with SkinsJock that Shanahan got the leader that he wanted and upgraded the position despite the poor stats (a reflection of struggles with this offense and O line issues - The Texans game was more reflective of what McNabb can do in this offense). McNabb is already forced to be here for next year. If Shanahan is forced to keep him because of no other options perhaps, Shanny will be able to work something out with McNabb to coexist.
The word from the McNabb side is that the Shanahans didn't do enough to accommodate his improvisational talents, that Kyle Shanahan still has a lot to learn that he didn't do enough to make the freelance-happy McNabb more effective, and also protect him from sacks behind a vulnerable line. Perhaps a valid point, given that Grossman was sacked five times.
SkinsJock wrote:I think that Mike under-estimated McNabbs playing ability with Kyle's offense and his practice habits - I think he got the QB leader he wanted AND he definetly upgraded the QB position
In Sally Jenkin's column in the Washington Post, Monday Dec. 20th, she wrote about McNabb being a free-lancer and improvisational. I had never heard these issues about McNabb. I always assumed that he followed Andy Reid's plan to a "t." Maybe that's the issue, now that he is from under Reid, he decided to do as he felt were his strengths. Just my opinion as to how Shanahan might not have known about Donovan's habits. I do agree with SkinsJock that Shanahan got the leader that he wanted and upgraded the position despite the poor stats (a reflection of struggles with this offense and O line issues - The Texans game was more reflective of what McNabb can do in this offense). McNabb is already forced to be here for next year. If Shanahan is forced to keep him because of no other options perhaps, Shanny will be able to work something out with McNabb to coexist.
The word from the McNabb side is that the Shanahans didn't do enough to accommodate his improvisational talents, that Kyle Shanahan still has a lot to learn that he didn't do enough to make the freelance-happy McNabb more effective, and also protect him from sacks behind a vulnerable line. Perhaps a valid point, given that Grossman was sacked five times.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
SkinsJock wrote:I think that Mike under-estimated McNabbs playing ability with Kyle's offense and his practice habits - I think he got the QB leader he wanted AND he definetly upgraded the QB position
In Sally Jenkin's column in the Washington Post, Monday Dec. 20th, she wrote about McNabb being a free-lancer and improvisational. I had never heard these issues about McNabb. I always assumed that he followed Andy Reid's plan to a "t." Maybe that's the issue, now that he is from under Reid, he decided to do as he felt were his strengths. Just my opinion as to how Shanahan might not have known about Donovan's habits. I do agree with SkinsJock that Shanahan got the leader that he wanted and upgraded the position despite the poor stats (a reflection of struggles with this offense and O line issues - The Texans game was more reflective of what McNabb can do in this offense). McNabb is already forced to be here for next year. If Shanahan is forced to keep him because of no other options perhaps, Shanny will be able to work something out with McNabb to coexist.
The word from the McNabb side is that the Shanahans didn't do enough to accommodate his improvisational talents, that Kyle Shanahan still has a lot to learn that he didn't do enough to make the freelance-happy McNabb more effective, and also protect him from sacks behind a vulnerable line. Perhaps a valid point, given that Grossman was sacked five times.
Hey Countertrey, I hear ya about not reading "Sally Jenkins" anymore. If it is true that the McNabb camp is complaining that Shanahan didn't accomodate McNabbs improvisational talents and and assuming Andy Reid did, it would not have been an issue and not something scouting reports would show about McNabb. I mean who would know if he was improvising except the Eagles and if that wasn't an issue with them, it wouldn't get out and thus Shanahan would not have known what he was getting in this area which is not compatible with Kyle's offense (Could this also explain the sideline conflicts with Kyle seen on TV and the ill-fated pass into triple coverage against the Lions). Countertrey, do you think that this might help explain how Shanny may have made the mistake in getting McNabb as opposed to buyer's impulse?
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CounterTrey wrote:I stopped reading at "Sally Jenkins".
I totally agree with that. I read like 3 of her columns years ago and haven't clicked on the link to her column sense. She's a moron who knows nothing about football and she's a {derogatory term for a female dog}. She knows so little about football and is just such an unpleasant person, I can't imagine why the Post hires her. I mean other then everyone else who writes for them is ignorant and unpleasant I mean...
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BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:We all assumed Haynesworth was gone within a week of the conditioning tests, but there were many chances for redemption in a practice-u-play team.
This story is far from over, McNabb could very well start next year if he comes into camp sharp
AH wasn't gone because he cashed a $20 million check. Anyone who thought he was gone then didn't understand the contract. McNabb can be cut and we can walk away from paying him. They are completely unrelated situations.
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Countertrey, do you think that this might help explain how Shanny may have made the mistake in getting McNabb as opposed to buyer's impulse?
Shanahan has suggested that he used his year away from football studying the game, evaluating talent, disecting coaching schemes... A great football mind doing nothing but studying football...
There were and are coaches and players who would have knowledge of McNabb's practice habits, as well as about his strengths, limitations, and tendencies. Shanahan has connections that you and I can only dream of. I'm sure that he used them. He either knew... or he should have known... if this was/is true.
I guarantee you, one of his agenda items during that "off time" would have been "who do I want quarterbacking my team, when I get back into the game?" It appears to me that McNabb was at (or near) the top of his list. Would you disagree?
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Countertrey wrote:I guarantee you, one of his agenda items during that "off time" would have been "who do I want quarterbacking my team, when I get back into the game?" It appears to me that McNabb was at (or near) the top of his list. Would you disagree?
Even assuming Shanahan did that much research into Donovan McNabb, and I think that's a stretch to say the least, but giving the benefit of the doubt what possessed him to think McNabb would have success with Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams as his second and third receivers? And with a very offensive line, one unfit to pass protect five and seven step drops ... bringing in McNabb was like having a king without a kingdom. What was the point? He thought he could win with the same team that went 4-12 last season? By changing the defense, the only respectable part of the team? And bringing in players no one else wanted? Something simply doesn't add up.
But in fairness to Shanahan, I was listening to the FAN yesterday on the LaVar an Dukes show. One of the hosts said that Shanahan was quoted as saying that if Donovan is not here next year it would be a mistake. I, like a lot of fans, would love to have a good coach with a good personality. We had that in Gibbs and we were probably spoiled from having him. We have Shanahan and for all his quirks, I believe that he is bringing a winning attitude here to this organization with his emphasis on work ethic. Bruce Allen has restructured contracts and a lot of guys with big contracts will be released so Shanny will be able to pursue his guys during free agency. It is clear that his priority this year is to find who will be here next year. It is clear that he is trying to lay a foundation for continued winning for years to come instead of winning this year and losing the next like we had in 2005 winning, 2006 losing, 2007 winning, 2008 non-winning/non-losing.
