OL Help in 2011?

[PulpExposure]

McNabb has proven that he can make Poo Poo WRs NFC Championship quality if he can stay up right long enough for them to get open. I don't like our WRs but you have to admit they are WAY better than Thrash, Stinksaton, and Fast mouth Freddie. #5 got to 5 NFC Championships with them.

That's a flawed statement in multiple ways.

First, the primary reason the Eagles went to those 5 NFC Championship games wasn't McNabb or the offense, it was their defense. That defense was ranked 2nd in points against in 2001, 2002, and 2004, 4th in 2008, and were ranked 7th in 2003. Note that in every of those years, the defense was ranked better in Points Against than the offense was in Points For.

Second, we'll turn towards your talent statement. One of those Championship games was in 2004, when he had Terrell Owens in his prime, so don't count that one. And the other in 2008 was with DeSean Jackson. And in 3 of those 5 years, McNabb had a real gamechanger at RB in Brian Westbrook. He doesn't have anyone on offense here that is as good as any of the above.

Third, most of those NFC Championships occurred back when the NFC itself was just awful, witnessed by how often the AFC was considered the dominant conference and winning Superbowls.

Finally, McNabb at 34 is not the same QB he was when he was 28. He's just not as mobile, which was a huge part of his game. Still as inaccurate, though.

[KazooSkinsFan]

First, the primary reason the Eagles went to those 5 NFC Championship games wasn't McNabb or the offense, it was their defense. That defense was ranked 2nd in points against in 2001, 2002, and 2004, 4th in 2008, and were ranked 7th in 2003. Note that in every of those years, the defense was ranked better in Points Against than the offense was in Points For

I agree with you on this, but their offense while not being the strength of the team wasn't inept either. McNabb's actually made an inept offense OK, which is impressive. We haven't done much to improve our O since last year yet and our D is worse then last year and yet we've won more games already then last year.

[brad7686]

There are two players involved. The one who throws and the one who catches.

WRONG!

There are 11. If the OL doesn't give the QB time, that fancy WR runs 40 yards for nothing! If the RB or TE don't pick up the blitzer the WR never gets the ball! If the TE or slot WR doesn't scare the safeties or LBs then that WR is just doubled, maybe tripple (as the Eagle have done to Santana from time to time).

If the NFL was 7 on 7 drills you might be right, but it isn't! The most important position on offense is your QB, the next is OL, everything else is a distant third, forth, and fifth!

We are good at QB for a while, but we suck at OL. Until we fix the OL we shouldn't even think about adding toys! If your race car has no engine or chassis those fancy, ultra light magnesium wheels are just bling.

The most import position on your OL is LT and next is C followed by RT.

i believe you completely misinterpreted my post.

[brad7686]

As bad as we are at Tackle, we are MUCH worse at WR and guard. I would be looking to improve those areas. I wouldn't mind addressing WR via free agency, then maybe we could take a tackle or a rb.

To the people that say having good WR's isn't important, consider that pass plays now dominate everyone's game plan. There are two players involved. The one who throws and the one who catches. The one who throws cannot look good without the ones that catch. When was the last time we had a qb here that looked good? Exactly.

Think about how many points the Lions would have scored without Calvin Johnson, the Pack without Greg Jennings, the Falcons without Rowdy Roddy, the Chiefs without Dwayne Bowe, the Texans without Andre Johnson, the Bengals without T.O. (I said it), the Eagles without Jackson and the Pats without Welker. Also consider how much worse the Vikings have been without a healthy Sidney Rice. Same goes for Collie as well I suppose.

I think our WR should be the last thing addressed. They are better than what McNabb has in Philly when he was going to one NFC Championship after another!

Fix the OL, the DL, FS, and (1) OLB and the Skins will be a completely different team. Heck a good OL alone would make us a contender. You give #5 time and our WRs are plenty good enough. Open wide running lanes and our RB are plenty good enough.

The Lions SUCK with Calvin Johnson, The Texans still haven't made the playoffs with the best WR in football on their team, the Pats would be just fien w/o Welker (they have another one just like him - as long as they have Brady and good pass pro), the Eagles would be jusy fine w/o DJ (he isn't even their leading WR), Bowe is good but not specilal and the Chiefs still suck, Bengals were better w/o TO, and the Vikes haven't had Rice all year and no one new who he was before Favre! ANd Peyton has proven that it doesn't matter who he throws to!

Rice just got it done today without favre, and just because a lot of the teams you mentioned aren't winning games doesn't mean they don't have great offenses. Yes, the Eagles made it to the playoffs a lot with mediocre receivers, but when they had T.O., they were in the super bowl.

[skinsfan#33]

As bad as we are at Tackle, we are MUCH worse at WR and guard. I would be looking to improve those areas. I wouldn't mind addressing WR via free agency, then maybe we could take a tackle or a rb.

To the people that say having good WR's isn't important, consider that pass plays now dominate everyone's game plan. There are two players involved. The one who throws and the one who catches. The one who throws cannot look good without the ones that catch. When was the last time we had a qb here that looked good? Exactly.

Think about how many points the Lions would have scored without Calvin Johnson, the Pack without Greg Jennings, the Falcons without Rowdy Roddy, the Chiefs without Dwayne Bowe, the Texans without Andre Johnson, the Bengals without T.O. (I said it), the Eagles without Jackson and the Pats without Welker. Also consider how much worse the Vikings have been without a healthy Sidney Rice. Same goes for Collie as well I suppose.

I think our WR should be the last thing addressed. They are better than what McNabb has in Philly when he was going to one NFC Championship after another!

Fix the OL, the DL, FS, and (1) OLB and the Skins will be a completely different team. Heck a good OL alone would make us a contender. You give #5 time and our WRs are plenty good enough. Open wide running lanes and our RB are plenty good enough.

The Lions SUCK with Calvin Johnson, The Texans still haven't made the playoffs with the best WR in football on their team, the Pats would be just fien w/o Welker (they have another one just like him - as long as they have Brady and good pass pro), the Eagles would be jusy fine w/o DJ (he isn't even their leading WR), Bowe is good but not specilal and the Chiefs still suck, Bengals were better w/o TO, and the Vikes haven't had Rice all year and no one new who he was before Favre! ANd Peyton has proven that it doesn't matter who he throws to!

Rice just got it done today without favre, and just because a lot of the teams you mentioned aren't winning games doesn't mean they don't have great offenses. Yes, the Eagles made it to the playoffs a lot with mediocre receivers, but when they had T.O., they were in the super bowl.

True. The year the Eagles reached their last SB loss was with TO. However, he was injured and didn't play in any of the EGirls playoff wins leading up to that SB (so they got their w/o him).

[skins2357]

I think we need to address WR in free agency. Jackson and Kevin Walter, Moss in the slot. Pretty nasty if you ask me there!

We also need to sign some OL in FA, guys like Mankins, Davin Joseph would be nice.

Use the draft to bring real 3-4 players to Washington. Use the 1st on a 3-4 DE, or another pass rusher from the OLB position

[crazyhorse1]

I think we might want to look at a tackle in the first round as well, though that won't allow us to improve at WR, RB, or any defensive position we need.

NO, need to do either of those if we keep our current shabby OL. Improve the OL and you improve your RBs and WRs w/o spending a draft pick on them!

WR should never be considered in the first round. Their just not important enough to warrant a 1st.

Draft order of need: LG, RG, C, FS, 3-4 OLB, 3-4 DE, RT and CB.

Ater you get all of those, then you can think about a WR or RB.

Disagree slightly: LG, C, RG, DE. OLB, RT, FS,CB

[Deadskins]

I think we might want to look at a tackle in the first round as well, though that won't allow us to improve at WR, RB, or any defensive position we need.

NO, need to do either of those if we keep our current shabby OL. Improve the OL and you improve your RBs and WRs w/o spending a draft pick on them!

WR should never be considered in the first round. Their just not important enough to warrant a 1st.

Draft order of need: LG, RG, C, FS, 3-4 OLB, 3-4 DE, RT and CB.

Ater you get all of those, then you can think about a WR or RB.

Disagree slightly: LG, C, RG, DE. OLB, RT, FS,CB

I'm thinking Montgomery at center, and Williams at RG, and save those draft picks. We also need a competent nose tackle, and a real FS in the mold of ST. Obviously, he can't be replaced with equal talent, but we definitely need an upgrade there.

[KazooSkinsFan]

So does anyone know what the issue with Dockery is? Does he not fit Shannahan's scheme or does he just think Dockery sucks?

[TCIYM]

So does anyone know what the issue with Dockery is? Does he not fit Shannahan's scheme or does he just think Dockery sucks?

I don't know for fact but it would be a safe guess that Dockery is a power man scheme blocker and doesn't fit Shanahan's zone blocking scheme. Dock isn't exactly the type of lineman to beat anyone to a spot. He is durable, so I can't imagine anything other than his not fitting the scheme or not getting the scheme being the issue.

[KazooSkinsFan]

So does anyone know what the issue with Dockery is? Does he not fit Shannahan's scheme or does he just think Dockery sucks?

I don't know for fact but it would be a safe guess that Dockery is a power man scheme blocker and doesn't fit Shanahan's zone blocking scheme. Dock isn't exactly the type of lineman to beat anyone to a spot. He is durable, so I can't imagine anything other than his not fitting the scheme or not getting the scheme being the issue.

That makes sense. I always thought Dockery was a solid LG, it didn't seem like performance would be the issue...especially with our line...

[GoSkins]

I think we might want to look at a tackle in the first round as well, though that won't allow us to improve at WR, RB, or any defensive position we need.

NO, need to do either of those if we keep our current shabby OL. Improve the OL and you improve your RBs and WRs w/o spending a draft pick on them!

WR should never be considered in the first round. Their just not important enough to warrant a 1st.

Draft order of need: LG, RG, C, FS, 3-4 OLB, 3-4 DE, RT and CB.

Ater you get all of those, then you can think about a WR or RB.

Disagree slightly: LG, C, RG, DE. OLB, RT, FS,CB

How about OG/C, ROG, NT, OLB, and FS? (2-3 in draft, 2-3 FA)

[SkinsJock]

So does anyone know what the issue with Dockery is? Does he not fit Shannahan's scheme or does he just think Dockery sucks?

I think Dockery is not as good as many here hoped he was - I think he's not trying and working as hard as he did when he was here - he went to Buffalo and has not been the same as he was before he got there


just one of the talented guys in the NFL that doesn't really push himself to be better


Shanahan will not help guys that do not show him that they're giving it all they've got and then some

[SkinsJock]

Man I hope that we have at least 3 new starters on the offensive line from the group that started the first few games this year

I'm hoping we get a bunch of good young offensive linemen in here to both start and be decent back-ups next year


I understand the needs on defense and at other positions but the offensive line needs a lot of help

[skins2357]

Sorry but I dont think Big Mike Williams will be a starter here next year. If Dockery was not agile enough for the ZBS, I cant imagine BMW will be. But he could be a valuable backup as a G/T.

Realistically, you need 3 new starters next yr. 4 if your planning on getting rid of Levi Brown. IMO, you should resign Brown to incentive based deal, hoping he can regain his LT form. If he can get healthy, he might be one of the top RTs in football. Im thinking a 2yr 10 million cotract with reachable incentives might get it done.

Then you need a new starting LG, C, and RG. I would not mind the FO picking up 2 of these spots in the form of free agents, as long as they are quality. If there is 1 spot I dont mind overpaying for a good FA, its O Line. With guys like Logan Mankins (OG), Davin Joseph (OG), Carl Nicks (OG) Khalil (OC) just to name a few, the FA market is pretty strong.

If you can fill both guard positions in FA, you should be able to acquire a starting OC in the 2nd or vice versa, or if you trade down and pick up a late 1st, you should be able to pick up the cream of the crop OC/OG (Hudson, Wiesnewski).

[fredp45]

Call me Rip Van Winkle, must have fallen asleep --- did we sign Levi Brown?

[KazooSkinsFan]

Call me Rip Van Winkle, must have fallen asleep --- did we sign Levi Brown?

That's Leroy Brown, and he's very bad...

[Deadskins]

Call me Rip Van Winkle, must have fallen asleep --- did we sign Levi Brown?

That's Leroy Brown, and he's very bad...

No, Larry Brown. He's a stud RB.

[TCIYM]

Call me Rip Van Winkle, must have fallen asleep --- did we sign Levi Brown?

That's Leroy Brown, and he's very bad...

No, Larry Brown. He's a stud RB.

Don't tease. I'd give body parts to have Larry Brown in the Redskins backfield.

[gwins83]

First and for most we can get a good og and c as FA. Look we wont spend alot of money on them and they are young player. Kalil and Joseph! For all ya'll screaming Oline in get that but we can get Oline everywhere under Shanny he is a good evaluator of Oline. If we get those two I name that would put us in a place that we have not been in for a while and that is three young shud linemen together. Then we can look at the defense because if we want to be the Steelers defense we better start drafting players that fit this defense. Plus ZBS oline are usually drafted later in the draft. So I say get those to and in the draft get the QB and then D.