The Shanaplan!

[Skinsfan55]

The players still believe in Mike Shanahan, even Hunter Smith who was recently cut. They believe that Shanahan and Allen will eventually rebuild this team into a winner. Let's look at what they've done so far:

This off season season the Redskins lost:

QB Jason Campbell- Traded for a 4th round pick in 2012.
RB Ladell Betts- Signed with New Orleans, hasn't played a big role for them.
WR Antwaan Randle El- 4th WR for Pittsburgh.
OT Chris Samuels- Retired due to injuries.
OG Randy Thomas- Also retired due to injuries.
RB Rock Cartwright- Hanging on with Oakland, not a huge role there.
DT Cornelius Griffin- Retired from football. Bought into an insurance company.
CB Fred Smoot- Still looking for an NFL job. Might open some franchise waffle houses in the DC area.
DE Renaldo Wynn- Playing in the UFL

There's not a lot of quality there that we lost. He got rid of some older guys who didn't fit the system. FWIW he also cut Devin Thomas who is young, but was a distraction and wasn't getting it done. Haynesworth of course is on suspension though Adam Shefter of ESPN seems to think the Redskins can get a 3rd rounder for him next offseason. (One can only hope!)

What did the Redskins get?

QB Donovan McNabb- Quality starter. Not an elite QB but someone who will gain more familiarity with the system and hopefully get better as more talent is added.
OT Jammal Brown- 2 time Pro Bowl left tackle. He's been injured this season but he rightfully deserves a spot on the team next year.
RB Ryan Torain- Not especially fast, but someone who is getting it done behind a shoddy offensive line. Shanny thinks he's got elite back potential.
DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu- Strong nose tackle. Hopefully he's not pressed into starting action too often but he's great at occupying blockers and is incredibly strong.
CB Phillip Buchanon- He never lived up to his limitless potential, but he's been very good in Washington.
DE Adam Carriker- Very strong defensive end. Never panned out as a defensive tackle but as a 3-4 end he may become great.
DE Vonnie Holliday- Revered veteran, knows the 3-4. Brought in for veteran leadership.

No question that they lost some very good players to injuries and retirement last year. But they brought in more than they shipped out. It's hard to argue that the new additions are the reason for our present predicament. Rebuilding a franchise is damned hard work, and it takes patience. Remember that Shanahan has done this before.

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In 1994 the Broncos finished 7-9. They'd gone to the playoffs in '93, but backed in as a 9-7 team. They'd been 24-24 in the three years under Wade Phillips. Something had to happen, and Broncos owner Pat Bowlen hired Mike Shanahan away from the San Fransisco 49ers where he served as offensive coordinator and won that year's Super Bowl.

The 1994 Denver Broncos had some pieces of a winner. They featured QB John Elway, LT Gary Zimmerman, TE Shannon Sharpe and FS Steve Atwater. Two hall of famers (Elway and Zimmerman) and two possible hall of famers to be. But they were desperately thin. They had no depth, no weapons on offense. The 25th ranked defense in the league. They had some star power, but it was going to be a lot of work to make them into champions. Shanahan got right to work.

Shanahan didn't have a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick but he managed to draft the franchise's career rushing leader in the 6th round. RB Terrell Davis from Georgia. He also nabbed TE Byron Chamberlain who eventually made the pro bowl.

Shanahan also brought in the franchise's all time receiving leader an undrafted WR named Rod Smith a 25 year old from Missouri Southern. Shanahan also brought in WR Eddie McCaffrey, G Mark Schlereth, DT Michael Dean Perry, SS Tyrone Braxton, DL Mike Lodish, and DB Lionel Washington. He also started backup C Tom Nalen.

The 1995 Broncos went 8-8 but there was still work to be done.

Shanahan drafted LB John Mobley and FB Detron Smith. He made a huge addition in LB Bill Romanowski, quite possibly the meanest SOB in the history of mean SOB's.

That year the Broncos went 13-3 and lost by a field goal to the Jacksonville Jaguars in the divisional playoffs.

The rest is history. With an intelligent team building approach the Broncos continued to add talent and depth. In 1997 they added OT Tony Jones and drafted long time Broncos G Dan Niel and DL Trevor Price. They went 12-4 and won the Superbowl.

Same story in 1998. They had a decent draft, added some role players and with basically the same team and depth up and down the roster they went 14-2 and won a second consecutive world title.

Losing Elway was tough for the Franchise and they had some growing pains trying to find another quarterback, but the Broncos went 91-69 from 2000-2008. In that span, they went to the playoffs 4 times including 3 consecutive trips from 2003-2005.

Shanahan knows a thing or two about team building, he's got a General Manager in Bruce Allen who's had some success as well and excels at contract negotiation. This plan should work, but it will take time. When Shanahan took over the Redskins they were an absolute mess. 4-12 with no depth on the team and a lack of direction. The franchise had been crippled by 18 years of front office incompetence.

We just have to have faith he's the right man to rebuild our once proud franchise. He's certainly got the background.

[chiefhog44]

The players still believe in Mike Shanahan, even Hunter Smith who was recently cut. They believe that Shanahan and Allen will eventually rebuild this team into a winner. Let's look at what they've done so far:

This off season season the Redskins lost:

QB Jason Campbell- Traded for a 4th round pick in 2012.
RB Ladell Betts- Signed with New Orleans, hasn't played a big role for them.
WR Antwaan Randle El- 4th WR for Pittsburgh.
OT Chris Samuels- Retired due to injuries.
OG Randy Thomas- Also retired due to injuries.
RB Rock Cartwright- Hanging on with Oakland, not a huge role there.
DT Cornelius Griffin- Retired from football. Bought into an insurance company.
CB Fred Smoot- Still looking for an NFL job. Might open some franchise waffle houses in the DC area.
DE Renaldo Wynn- Playing in the UFL

There's not a lot of quality there that we lost. He got rid of some older guys who didn't fit the system. FWIW he also cut Devin Thomas who is young, but was a distraction and wasn't getting it done. Haynesworth of course is on suspension though Adam Shefter of ESPN seems to think the Redskins can get a 3rd rounder for him next offseason. (One can only hope!)

What did the Redskins get?

QB Donovan McNabb- Quality starter. Not an elite QB but someone who will gain more familiarity with the system and hopefully get better as more talent is added.
OT Jammal Brown- 2 time Pro Bowl left tackle. He's been injured this season but he rightfully deserves a spot on the team next year.
RB Ryan Torain- Not especially fast, but someone who is getting it done behind a shoddy offensive line. Shanny thinks he's got elite back potential.
DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu- Strong nose tackle. Hopefully he's not pressed into starting action too often but he's great at occupying blockers and is incredibly strong.
CB Phillip Buchanon- He never lived up to his limitless potential, but he's been very good in Washington.
DE Adam Carriker- Very strong defensive end. Never panned out as a defensive tackle but as a 3-4 end he may become great.
DE Vonnie Holliday- Revered veteran, knows the 3-4. Brought in for veteran leadership.

No question that they lost some very good players to injuries and retirement last year. But they brought in more than they shipped out. It's hard to argue that the new additions are the reason for our present predicament. Rebuilding a franchise is damned hard work, and it takes patience. Remember that Shanahan has done this before.

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In 1994 the Broncos finished 7-9. They'd gone to the playoffs in '93, but backed in as a 9-7 team. They'd been 24-24 in the three years under Wade Phillips. Something had to happen, and Broncos owner Pat Bowlen hired Mike Shanahan away from the San Fransisco 49ers where he served as offensive coordinator and won that year's Super Bowl.

The 1994 Denver Broncos had some pieces of a winner. They featured QB John Elway, LT Gary Zimmerman, TE Shannon Sharpe and FS Steve Atwater. Two hall of famers (Elway and Zimmerman) and two possible hall of famers to be. But they were desperately thin. They had no depth, no weapons on offense. The 25th ranked defense in the league. They had some star power, but it was going to be a lot of work to make them into champions. Shanahan got right to work.

Shanahan didn't have a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick but he managed to draft the franchise's career rushing leader in the 6th round. RB Terrell Davis from Georgia. He also nabbed TE Byron Chamberlain who eventually made the pro bowl.

Shanahan also brought in the franchise's all time receiving leader an undrafted WR named Rod Smith a 25 year old from Missouri Southern. Shanahan also brought in WR Eddie McCaffrey, G Mark Schlereth, DT Michael Dean Perry, SS Tyrone Braxton, DL Mike Lodish, and DB Lionel Washington. He also started backup C Tom Nalen.

The 1995 Broncos went 8-8 but there was still work to be done.

Shanahan drafted LB John Mobley and FB Detron Smith. He made a huge addition in LB Bill Romanowski, quite possibly the meanest SOB in the history of mean SOB's.

That year the Broncos went 13-3 and lost by a field goal to the Jacksonville Jaguars in the divisional playoffs.

The rest is history. With an intelligent team building approach the Broncos continued to add talent and depth. In 1997 they added OT Tony Jones and drafted long time Broncos G Dan Niel and DL Trevor Price. They went 12-4 and won the Superbowl.

Same story in 1998. They had a decent draft, added some role players and with basically the same team and depth up and down the roster they went 14-2 and won a second consecutive world title.

Losing Elway was tough for the Franchise and they had some growing pains trying to find another quarterback, but the Broncos went 91-69 from 2000-2008. In that span, they went to the playoffs 4 times including 3 consecutive trips from 2003-2005.

Shanahan knows a thing or two about team building, he's got a General Manager in Bruce Allen who's had some success as well and excels at contract negotiation. This plan should work, but it will take time. When Shanahan took over the Redskins they were an absolute mess. 4-12 with no depth on the team and a lack of direction. The franchise had been crippled by 18 years of front office incompetence.

We just have to have faith he's the right man to rebuild our once proud franchise. He's certainly got the background.

Totally love the post. Puts things into perspective for people who are quick to judge this unfinished product. Really, next year I am thinking 8-8 is a reality, and then the third year is when I expect some big things. I had the same expectations with GibbsII, although he retired too soon to see the final product.

[ATX_Skins]

I like the post, but McNabb is no Elway.

[TCIYM]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

[Skinsfan55]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Of course it's no guarantee but past performance is grounds for reasonable expectations for the future. That's why when you write a resume you put all the important things you've done on there to give a prospective employer some idea of what he might be able to expect in the future.

[chiefhog44]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Of course it's no guarantee but past performance is grounds for reasonable expectations for the future. That's why when you write a resume you put all the important things you've done on there to give a prospective employer some idea of what he might be able to expect in the future.

Right, just like when, say for instanse, you are hired as the head coach after serving as a QB coach all your life, by a team president who hasn't ever won anything, it probably indicates it will be a TOTAL and UTTER failure.

[TCIYM]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Of course it's no guarantee but past performance is grounds for reasonable expectations for the future. That's why when you write a resume you put all the important things you've done on there to give a prospective employer some idea of what he might be able to expect in the future.

Joe Gibbs resume was far more impressive than Mike Shanahan's. How'd his second time around work out? His first performance wasn't remotely an indicator of how things went the second time around. I'm not saying Shanahan can't turn the tide of losing. I am saying lipservice and expectations is all we've had to hang our hats upon for nearly 20 seasons and we've brought in a head coach who has problems winning playoff games. Regular season winning percentages don't mean much when combined with losing playoff records. While busy pointing out Shanahan's winning record in the worst division in football for most of that time the original post fails to discuss his 1-4 record in playoff games since John Elway retired. Perhaps that's no indicator of future results either but it's ground for reasonable expectations of the future and it is on his resume.

[TeeterSalad]

QB Donovan McNabb- Quality starter. Not an elite QB but someone who will gain more familiarity with the system and hopefully get better as more talent is added.
OT Jammal Brown- 2 time Pro Bowl left tackle. He's been injured this season but he rightfully deserves a spot on the team next year.
RB Ryan Torain- Not especially fast, but someone who is getting it done behind a shoddy offensive line. Shanny thinks he's got elite back potential.
DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu- Strong nose tackle. Hopefully he's not pressed into starting action too often but he's great at occupying blockers and is incredibly strong.
CB Phillip Buchanon- He never lived up to his limitless potential, but he's been very good in Washington.
DE Adam Carriker- Very strong defensive end. Never panned out as a defensive tackle but as a 3-4 end he may become great.
DE Vonnie Holliday- Revered veteran, knows the 3-4. Brought in for veteran leadership.

Heres my analysis so far on these guys:

Brown has been good, and OL depth is always needed. Keeper.

Torain has been great when healthy. Keeper.

Kemoeatu should be a quality backup. Keep for depth.

Buchanon is not consistent; he's made some big plays and gave up just as many, and he definately can't tackle. I'd go either way with this guy, but he shouldn't be starting.

Carriker has been good, and he blogs for THN. Keeper.

Holliday has been pretty good. Keep for depth.

[langleyparkjoe]

Why be so negative about SF55's post? The second to last thing he said is "We just have to have faith he's the right man to rebuild our once proud franchise."

.. but some of you don't like that word "faith" when it relates to our Skins huh? Fire his butt after one year or just blow it up huh?

[Skinsfan55]

Right, just like when, say for instanse, you are hired as the head coach after serving as a QB coach all your life, by a team president who hasn't ever won anything, it probably indicates it will be a TOTAL and UTTER failure.

That's exactly the point. You hire Jim Zorn who's never amassed any time of coaching resume' and throw him into the fire, there's probably not much chance he'll succeed. I feel bad for Jim Zorn though, if Snyder had hired Fassell like he wanted and Zorn was simply the offensive coordinator it might have worked out. Of course Vinny would still have been pulling the strings.

Joe Gibbs resume was far more impressive than Mike Shanahan's. How'd his second time around work out? His first performance wasn't remotely an indicator of how things went the second time around. I'm not saying Shanahan can't turn the tide of losing. I am saying lipservice and expectations is all we've had to hang our hats upon for nearly 20 seasons and we've brought in a head coach who has problems winning playoff games. Regular season winning percentages don't mean much when combined with losing playoff records. While busy pointing out Shanahan's winning record in the worst division in football for most of that time the original post fails to discuss his 1-4 record in playoff games since John Elway retired. Perhaps that's no indicator of future results either but it's ground for reasonable expectations of the future and it is on his resume.

Joe Gibbs and Mike Shanahan have vastly different career paths. Joe Gibbs had a strong general manager who knew how to build a football team. Bobby Beathard was one of the best and he was the one who built that football team. Gibbs coached, he was brilliant at it but he just coached.

He was asked to take on much more personnel responsibility in his second stint with the Redskins along with Snyder and Cerrato.

Mike Shanahan was the primary personnel man in Denver and he showed the ability to build a team. Joe Gibbs had never shown that ability before and he was more or less completely untested as a general manager.

Shanahan struggled with the likes of Brian Griese and Jake Plummer in the playoffs after Elway retired... but he was also IN the playoffs with Mike Anderson getting 1,000 yard and a 10+ TD season... TWICE. He had Ruben Droughns running for 1,200 yards. Ashley Lelie getting a 1,000 yard season.

You can't make the argument that the AFC West was the worst division in football in the early aughts either. The Oakland Raiders went to the Super Bowl in 2002 and before that went to the playoffs three times in a row. Kansas City was a very strong team lead by Trent Green and a prolific offense. San Diego was tough under Marty Schottenheimer. Also the Seahawks were a fairly strong team before their move to the NFC in 2002.

The AFC West was a tough division during Shanahan's time. The Broncos, Chiefs, Raiders and Seahawks all went to the playoffs in the 2000's.

Shanahan proved in Denver he can build a team. It's obviously no guarantee he'll do so in Washington but based on the evidence we have a very good idea of what kind of success we can expect from him.

[TCIYM]

Why be so negative about SF55's post? The second to last thing he said is "We just have to have faith he's the right man to rebuild our once proud franchise."

.. but some of you don't like that word "faith" when it relates to our Skins huh? Fire his butt after one year or just blow it up huh?

Faith, by definition, is the belief in something for which there is no proof. I don't have any faith in Daniel M. Snyder to give Mike Shanahan enough time to rebuild the organization, I don't have any faith in has-been and once-were coaches, and I don't have any faith in scheme changes and personnel abuse for the sake of egoism. I'm on board with the Washington Redskins for better or for worse. It's like being married to a spouse I'd like to choke daily but I digress. I lived in Denver for all of Mike Shanahan's Broncos coaching career. Even Denver fans thought he was an egomaniacal jackass. They forgave him in the beginning because of the successes but after Elway retired they felt the same way about him I do. He can't win when it matters. Bowlen didn't fire him for his regular season record. Bowlen fired him because you can't be both an ass and a loser and keep the respect of your team.

[SkinsJock]

I'm a church-goer and I have faith - as far as the Redskins are concerned "faith" is not an issue for me.

Snyder fired Cerrato - an indication to me that he might be realizing how badly this franchise had been handled

Snyder brought in Allen and then Shanahan - my only concern was whether he (Snyder) would let go and let the NFL guys manage EVERYTHING to do with the play on the field - I think that has happened

Snyder will let Shanahan/Allen run things but for how long is anyone's guess at this time BECAUSE they have not done a great job - good but not great

Shanahan will have another year and I feel that he'll keep his son and Haslett but their jobs are in jeopardy if we are able to add the players to help both the offense and defense and the respective schemes that both are in charge of do not work a whole lot better than we have seen


there is no "faith" in the NFL as far as I'm concerned - the only thing that counts is what have you done lately - this is about the here and now - how hard are you going to work to make things a whole lot better

the NFL is full of stories of great players and coaches being completely different in different scenarios - some players do really well when they change teams and play in different schemes - same for coaches - some players and coaches appear to have lost "it" when they make a change

Nobody can really say for sure who or what is the surest thing - IMO it has nothing to do with faith or talent - it's all about who works hardest and makes the most effort to be better each week



this franchise is undergoing a lot of changes and they were very needed - Snyder has put these guys in charge and I think he continues down that path - we were a disaster recently and while there have been some incredible screw ups on the field and by the coaches, I think that the players are playing with a lot more intensity and I think the players and coaches thinking and attitude at Redskins Park has had a huge turnaround

we are not seeing much yet on the field but this franchise is heading in a direction that will put a consistently competitive product on the field each week because Shanahan and Allen are both very motivated to succeed


give them time - not that we really have much choice - patience is a virtue

[SKINFAN]

We have discussed this many many times. We are fans, hot or cold, win or lose at the end we are still fans. We will support/complain/praise/critique every single player in the roster because we care. We care about this team. Snyder, as much as he has done, good or bad, at least he is trying, he will get the right people in the right places one of these days. Hopefully we are moving in that direction now.

[TeeterSalad]

WR Antwaan Randle El- 4th WR for Pittsburgh.

By the way, did anybody see that catch ARE made last week against the Bengals? It was an amazing grab. I didn't see him making plays like that when he was a Redskin. He still has big play potential; I think he's actually thrown for a TD this year for Pittsburgh. Too bad he was so horribly overpaid when he got here; he still is a decent 3rd/4th reciever.

[TCIYM]

WR Antwaan Randle El- 4th WR for Pittsburgh.

By the way, did anybody see that catch ARE made last week against the Bengals? It was an amazing grab. I didn't see him making plays like that when he was a Redskin. He still has big play potential; I think he's actually thrown for a TD this year for Pittsburgh. Too bad he was so horribly overpaid when he got here; he still is a decent 3rd/4th reciever.

Brandon Lloyd is a real disappointment this season too ... I can't imagine what anyone ever saw in him. If nothing else, and if there is a God of mercy, Redskins fans deserve to no longer suffer in the wake of poor personnel decisions and even poorer management skills.

[riggofan]

Joe Gibbs and Mike Shanahan have vastly different career paths. Joe Gibbs had a strong general manager who knew how to build a football team. Bobby Beathard was one of the best and he was the one who built that football team. Gibbs coached, he was brilliant at it but he just coached.

THANK YOU. I can't seriously believe somebody just broke out Joe Gibbs II as a comparison to Shanahan. I must have missed Shanahan's decade long foray into NASCAR between coaching stints.

Good original post though, I enjoyed it. I don't know if there is really much point in comparing the Broncos situation to the Redskins. I think the biggest difference is that Denver had not spent ten years running the franchise into the ground and trading away all their draft picks before they hired Shanahan.

I wonder if Denver had an indoor practice facility too?

[TCIYM]

THANK YOU. I can't seriously believe somebody just broke out Joe Gibbs II as a comparison to Shanahan. I must have missed Shanahan's decade long foray into NASCAR between coaching stints.

Good original post though, I enjoyed it. I don't know if there is really much point in comparing the Broncos situation to the Redskins. I think the biggest difference is that Denver had not spent ten years running the franchise into the ground and trading away all their draft picks before they hired Shanahan.

I wonder if Denver had an indoor practice facility too?

OK. Who would you break out as a coach who retired, came back, and was equally or more successful the second time around? It's a very small number. How many of them were fired from their last job as opposed to "retiring?" Smaller number, perhaps zero. I think some people have higher expectations than are reasonable. I might have lower expectations than I should but Shanahan is no oracle of football personnel.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Brandon Lloyd is a real disappointment this season too ... I can't imagine what anyone ever saw in him

There's a crowd who look for any opportunity that any former Redskin does anything good so they can grab it as a chance to say we stupid and we're suck to show what good fans they are. Whatever you do, don't mention the name Ryan Clark. I'll never say the name Ryan Clark on this site again. OMG, what a mediocrity Ryan Clark is. But man, you just say the name Ryan Clark and the pining for Ryan Clark was like Ryan Clark was a HOFer

[Irn-Bru]

I like the people who complained about Devin Thomas after his revenge Sunday, even though the Giants aren't the first team to have picked him up after we cut him (and assuredly won't be the last).

[DarthMonk]

Not supporting or defending original post but keep hearing how Shanny only went to 4 playoff games after Elway and went 1-3.

A few comments. Elway never won it all without Shanny either and:

In 2000 went 11-6 and lost to SB Champ Ravens.

In 2003 went 10-7 and lost to Colts (14-5) who lost to SB Champ Pats.

In 2004 went 10-7 and lost to Colts (13-5) who again lost to Pats.

In 2005 went 13-4 and lost to SB Champ Steelers (14-5).

To cite his record/success (lack of?) after Elway is far from an indictment.

DarthMonk

[TCIYM]

Brandon Lloyd is a real disappointment this season too ... I can't imagine what anyone ever saw in him

There's a crowd who look for any opportunity that any former Redskin does anything good so they can grab it as a chance to say we stupid and we're suck to show what good fans they are. Whatever you do, don't mention the name Ryan Clark. I'll never say the name Ryan Clark on this site again. OMG, what a mediocrity Ryan Clark is. But man, you just say the name Ryan Clark and the pining for Ryan Clark was like Ryan Clark was a HOFer

Then I suppose I shouldn't bring up David Akers ...

[DarthMonk]

Brandon Lloyd is a real disappointment this season too ... I can't imagine what anyone ever saw in him

There's a crowd who look for any opportunity that any former Redskin does anything good so they can grab it as a chance to say we stupid and we're suck to show what good fans they are. Whatever you do, don't mention the name Ryan Clark. I'll never say the name Ryan Clark on this site again. OMG, what a mediocrity Ryan Clark is. But man, you just say the name Ryan Clark and the pining for Ryan Clark was like Ryan Clark was a HOFer

Then I suppose I shouldn't bring up David Akers ...

You mean the All-Decade kicker who has score more points than ...



DarthMonk

[KazooSkinsFan]

I like the people who complained about Devin Thomas after his revenge Sunday, even though the Giants aren't the first team to have picked him up after we cut him (and assuredly won't be the last).

OMG, I can't believe we cut Devon Thomas, he's going to go to the pro-bowl this year. We're stupid and we suck...

[Red_One43]

Brandon Lloyd is a real disappointment this season too ... I can't imagine what anyone ever saw in him

There's a crowd who look for any opportunity that any former Redskin does anything good so they can grab it as a chance to say we stupid and we're suck to show what good fans they are. Whatever you do, don't mention the name Ryan Clark. I'll never say the name Ryan Clark on this site again. OMG, what a mediocrity Ryan Clark is. But man, you just say the name Ryan Clark and the pining for Ryan Clark was like Ryan Clark was a HOFer

Then I suppose I shouldn't bring up David Akers ...

Is this why we don't cut Gano, because we don't want him to go on to be successfull with another team?

[TCIYM]

Is this why we don't cut Gano, because we don't want him to go on to be successfull with another team?

I think the last good kicker we had was Chip Lohmiller. Last weekend Gano reminded me of Jess Atkinson or Ali Haji Shiekh or any number of other awful kickers we've had since. To be honest, I don't see Shanahan as having any patience but I also don't see him bringing in anyone with no CBA in place. My guess is they won't add any salary unless they cut an equal or greater amount. It's not as though there are any kickers worth signing long term on the waiver wire. We have so many needs I would guess kicker is way down the list. That might give Gano a reprieve.