Cooley

[Deadskins]

Im watching the same games as you there bud. If the double TE set is being run, then it sure is not being done very well. Davis has not been catching balls at all until recently. In the first part of the season, you rarely saw Davis' name at all, and I did not notice him on the field very often. If I am wrong so be it, but I dont think we run the double TE set as much as other teams who have LESS talent then we have there. Anyway, thats something totally different.

Your question about why to trade a Pro Bowl player for a pick that has potential is unreal. I thought I had answered this question numerous times. Ill try again.

If this is your argument about the drafted player not being as good as the player you trade, then why do teams do it all the time? It would not be the 1st time a player has been traded for picks. Do you think a GM says "You know, if we get a 2nd rounder for this player, that 2nd rounder might be a bust". Nope, they trust that they can find a future starter in the 2nd round. If we traded ey, will our 2nd rounder be as good as ey? Maybe not. But that pick will hopefully solidify another position, and with Davis as the new TE, the drop off in talent might not be that noticable. Now if we had noone under ey, thats different. But we do, and he proved last year he can be just as effective as ey (numbers wise), and Paulsen has played decent when given the chance as a blocking TE. You would think as a rookie, he continues to improve

Ive got to side with Skins2357 .. to say you cant trade a player for a draft pick because that draft pick might not be as good is ridiculous.. While that is a possibility its also a possibility that the kid you pick up in the 2nd round or any round for that matter will be better than the player traded for the pick.. If you never trade players for draft picks or other players how does your team improve? whats the point of GMs really?.. that means we should never let any FA's leave because the guy we bring into replace them MIGHT not be better .. so since Moss has been ok we better keep him till he retires and every other player too.. Rabach has been taking alot of heat and people want him gone but what if we cut him and his replacement is worse? whelp lets keep him till he retires too that way we KNOW that we arent replacing any player with another that has the potential to be worse..

like many of you I'm a HUGE ey fan but I'm an even bigger Redskins fan.. I want to see this team improve and eventually become a consistent winner just like I know all of you do .. but the fact is we are the OLDEST team in the NFL and we are one of the WORST teams for that matter too.. you can throw the record in my face of 5-7 which is better than more than a few teams and the fact that we have a few qaulity wins but fact of the matter is we are ranked near the bottom or at the bottom of the NFL in offense and defense and we have no real young talent ready to help improve those numbers on the horizion.. What we do have is a few players in there prime who we might be able to use to acquire some young talent for the future and Im all for anything that will help this team get younger..

having a team that is "rebuilding" but yet is the oldest team in the NFL just doesnt translate into a winning team IMO.. We are a couple years away still and it sucks to say it or even think it but from what I see its true and with that why not get value for the guys that have value and who by the time we get this thing right will be at the end of their careers anyway just because they are "core" Redskins and fan favorites or because since they have been here through the bad they deserve to be here for the good.. the NFL is a buisness its not about making sure a player who was good for you when you were bad is on your team when your good.

I think you're both misunderstanding my point. I didn't say keep old players or players who are just filling their spot because their replacement might not be as good. If I was you would be right; that would be ridiculous. I'm talking about a Pro-Bowl calibre player in the prime of his career. Those are the guys you keep, and don't trade because you might have the potential to aquire a player at another position of need. Obviously, you want to have great players at every position, but you don't do that by getting rid of the guys you already have that are at the top of the game.

[skins2357]

But when you have a younger, cheaper player who should be as good, if not better then ey then yes you do move him. There are countless examples of this in the NFL of teams moving their star, pro bowl player in the prime of their career to obtain draft picks, simply because they have a young buck with just as much talent waiting their turn.

Davis proved last year he could put up the same numbers, IF NOT BETTER, then ey. I know eys a pro bowler and all, but Davis' numbers would not be far behind, if at all, given a full season as the starting TE. You can look at his year last season, playing in an offense just as bad as this year, and make your own conclusions about what his (Davis) final numbers would have been had he played the whole season.

[KazooSkinsFan]

But when you have a younger, cheaper player who should be as good, if not better then ey then yes you do move him. There are countless examples of this in the NFL of teams moving their star, pro bowl player in the prime of their career to obtain draft picks, simply because they have a young buck with just as much talent waiting their turn.

Davis proved last year he could put up the same numbers, IF NOT BETTER, then ey. I know eys a pro bowler and all, but Davis' numbers would not be far behind, if at all, given a full season as the starting TE. You can look at his year last season, playing in an offense just as bad as this year, and make your own conclusions about what his (Davis) final numbers would have been had he played the whole season.

Davis played well subbing for ey, but this is such a reach for what he actually accomplished. I'll never get this endless trade ey campaign. Hey guys, almost everything sucks on our team right now, I have an idea to make our team a total disaster...

[Deadskins]

There are countless examples of this in the NFL of teams moving their star, pro bowl player in the prime of their career to obtain draft picks, simply because they have a young buck with just as much talent waiting their turn.

Davis proved last year he could put up the same numbers, IF NOT BETTER, then ey.

See, I don't agree with either of these two sentences. Enlighten me with some of these "countless examples." I'm not talking about a player who is disgruntled, and wants out. I want examples of teams trading their top players for picks because they have depth at the position.

And ey has set franchise records and consistently led the team in receptions. I don't agree that Davis has shown that type of promise.

[KazooSkinsFan]

And ey has set franchise records and consistently led the team in receptions. I don't agree that Davis has shown that type of promise.

And he's one of the few who come through over and over in clutch time right now as well. Davis disappears for long stretches.

[skins2357]

Dude and its such a reach for you to say that trading ey would make our team a "total disaster". We would get a pick for him who hopefully would solidify another area, and Davis has the potential to blossom as apro bowl TE. To say that this trade would make the skins a "total disaster" is a stretch.

All I am doing is trying to obtain picks to revamp this O Line. A 2nd rounder could be/should be a starting OC or OG near the top of the rankings at their position. You solidify your O Line, the ENTIRE offense flourishes. That should be our focus to how to move forward from this state, rebuild and retool the offensive line with young, solid players. Just my 2 cents

[Deadskins]

Dude and its such a reach for you to say that trading ey would make our team a "total disaster". We would get a pick for him who hopefully would solidify another area, and Davis has the potential to blossom as apro bowl TE. To say that this trade would make the skins a "total disaster" is a stretch.

All I am doing is trying to obtain picks to revamp this O Line. A 2nd rounder could be/should be a starting OC or OG near the top of the rankings at their position. You solidify your O Line, the ENTIRE offense flourishes. That should be our focus to how to move forward from this state, rebuild and retool the offensive line with young, solid players. Just my 2 cents

Who are you talking to?

[skins2357]

I was replying to Kazoo, sorry about that. haha

[KazooSkinsFan]

Dude and its such a reach for you to say that trading ey would make our team a "total disaster". We would get a pick for him who hopefully would solidify another area, and Davis has the potential to blossom as apro bowl TE. To say that this trade would make the skins a "total disaster" is a stretch.

All I am doing is trying to obtain picks to revamp this O Line. A 2nd rounder could be/should be a starting OC or OG near the top of the rankings at their position. You solidify your O Line, the ENTIRE offense flourishes. That should be our focus to how to move forward from this state, rebuild and retool the offensive line with young, solid players. Just my 2 cents

I don't think you understood my point correctly, I said, "Hey guys, almost everything sucks on our team right now, I have an idea to make our team a total disaster..."

I was saying almost everything sucks, in other words, ey is one of the few things that doesn't suck. So removing him removes one of the things that doesn't suck. I did not mean that trading ey in itself would make everything suck.

And you're way, way over estimating what we're likely to get for a second round pick.

[skins2357]

gotcha. I was using Shockey as a comparable trade. I feel like the jump from 2nd to 3rd round is huge. A 2nd rounder is usually a legit starter (unless its Vinny drafting), a 3rd rounder is a crap shoot.

[KazooSkinsFan]

gotcha. I was using Shockey as a comparable trade. I feel like the jump from 2nd to 3rd round is huge. A 2nd rounder is usually a legit starter (unless its Vinny drafting), a 3rd rounder is a crap shoot.

Actually, a second rounder is a crap shoot as far as legit starters and a third rounders have the odds against them

[HEROHAMO]

Trading ey would be foolish. It is always a gamble with the draft. Why would we trade a known commodity for just a chance at a commodity?

I do agree that we do need to give Davis some more playing time. Both ey and Davis need to be on the field at the same time.

We lack weapons on offense. Why is Davis sitting on the sidelines? However that does not mean trading away one of our best weapons in ey. Use them both Kyle!!! It cant get much worse then what KS is already fielding. Seriously give it a try coach.


No way should we trade ey bad, bad, bad idea.

[MDSKINSFAN]

I would trade Davis. It would be nice to use them both at the same time, but you really can't do that all that much. Davis has shown that he can be a very good TE the past 2 seasons. ey is one of the players on this team that tries to improve and hates losing so I want to keep him around. I like Davis, but I still can't figure out why they drafted him in the 1st place...