Haynesworth Done!!!!

[CanesSkins26]

The Shanahan-Haynesworth relationship was damaged beyond repair when Shanny kept making Haynesworth retake the conditioning test. You can't embarrass a player publicly like that and then expect him to respect you and fall in line. I'm not going to argue whether Shanny was right or wrong with the way that he handled that, but that really killed any chance of Haynesworth being a productive member of this team.

[frankcal20]

I guess Albert saying that he wasn't coming to DC for Vol. workouts this Summer and being the only or one of the only guys not there. Sorry but this guy is terrible for any team because it's all about him.

[CanesSkins26]

I guess Albert saying that he wasn't coming to DC for Vol. workouts this Summer and being the only or one of the only guys not there. Sorry but this guy is terrible for any team because it's all about him.

I'm not saying that he was right to do that. But, it would still have been possible for him to be productive even skipping voluntary workouts. My only point is that the relationship was broken beyond repair with those conditioning tests.

[KazooSkinsFan]

The Shanahan-Haynesworth relationship was damaged beyond repair when Shanny kept making Haynesworth retake the conditioning test. You can't embarrass a player publicly like that and then expect him to respect you and fall in line. I'm not going to argue whether Shanny was right or wrong with the way that he handled that, but that really killed any chance of Haynesworth being a productive member of this team.

AH embarrassed himself when he wouldn't even show up for mandatory OTA's and has never stopped. This is all on him. No other player could get away with what he has, and there is no way any player should expect to be treated by their own set of rules and no coach would get or deserves respect who would let a player do that to him.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'm not saying that he was right to do that. But, it would still have been possible for him to be productive even skipping voluntary workouts. My only point is that the relationship was broken beyond repair with those conditioning tests.

The tests were completely and utterly irrelevant. AH is the issue and whether the tests were there or not his ego and demand to set his own rules would have lead to the same end.

[PulpExposure]

I'm a 3 year guy. You have to give a coach 3 years to make a determination. Until then, I'm going to wait. Hell, we've all waited 10+ years for this team to be relevant, what's a few more.

When you look at it that way

[Deadskins]

Schottenheimer couldn't get Jeff George to play and he was the starting QB. He broke down game film with him personally and STILL couldn't get through to George.

Sometimes you just get a bad egg... like Haynesworth

Um, no. Banks was Marty's QB, not George.

[chiefhog44]

Firstly, Something was said in the locker room at half because we saw two defenses in this weekends game. Shannahan doesn't make a tackle. Haslett doesn't make a tackle so until they do and I see player's being put in position to make a play - and they don't - then I'm not going to come down hard on the coaches. Player's make plays. Coaches put player's in position to make those plays. That's it.

So you are saying that coaches have no influence on how the players play? And specifically for Haslett, he IS, in fact, the one that puts those guy in the scheme (also considered position) to make those plays. He is, after all, the defensive coordinator. Or am I misunderstanding the defensive coordinator's responisbilities?

You have no idea what you are talking about. A coordinator puts his players in position to win true so if he is not doing a good job with that, well then blame the DC. Running tackling drills and teaching how to tackle is done in pop warner, junior high school, high school, and most colleges. There is no time spent on teaching pro's to tackle except maybe a tiny bit in pre season if a coach still runs in the hole drills. You are expected to know how to tackle in the pro's.

So, when you draft, as a scout, you need to make sure you are looking at the game film and interviewing the coaches to evaluate technique and soundness of a player. These were clearly not done when drafting over the last 10 years. It was evidenced throughout the game. Most notably on the Jacobs run on like the third play of the game. Kareem Moore was put in position to make a play for a loss, but instead, whiffed (I actually don't know what that was) on tackling Jacobs and the guy ran for like 34 yards. How is that Hasletts fault? It continued throughout the game. Rocky's hit on the TE over the middle, Doughty's missed tackle for loss on Bradshaw, and on and on and on.

I was going to bring it up in another one of your hate posts, but it's really not worth fighting when one side just doesn't understand how things work in the NFL. Their knowledge is based on some HS football they played. So before you start your come back rant, go read a few book about NFL defense and come talk.

[NC43Hog]

The NFLPA has already said that it's looking into this. They are certainly going to file a grievance on Big Al's behalf.

That's unusual? It's what they do - that's why it's the "players" association.

[chiefhog44]

A coach develops a game plan each week. A coach works with player's during the week to put them in the right position for the coming game. Of course coaches have influence on how player's play but coaches can not make a guy try to tackle a guy like Jacobs up around the shoulders like Rocky did this Sunday. If you look at Sunday's game, especially in the 1st half, the player's were in position to make the play but they didn't. What else can any coach do. Well, there is one thing he can do and that's put that player on the bench. See Phillip Buchanan and Rocky who were both benched for either the entire or part of the game for CRAP play and lack of tackling fundamentals.

And the coach doesn't instill and reinforce those tackling fundementals?

And I thought Buchanon was hurt.<edit> you're right, he was benched.

Sure the coach teaches fundamentals but let me ask you this. Should a coach be teaching professional football players how to tackle at this point? Most have been playing for 20+ years. I would hope that they would know how to tackle at this point. I'm sure at video session yesterday, players saw how pathetic they looked trying to tackle and I'm sorry but I'm not putting that on the coaches.

It's the coaches' jobs to ensure that the standards are upheld.

You are grasping for a life preserver. Let me help you out. Say it with me slowly.

Sorry, I, am, wrong.

[KazooSkinsFan]

The NFLPA has already said that it's looking into this. They are certainly going to file a grievance on Big Al's behalf.

That's unusual? It's what they do - that's why it's the "players" association.

Yes, their job is to advocate player's positions regardless of their agreement with them

[CanesSkins26]

The Shanahan-Haynesworth relationship was damaged beyond repair when Shanny kept making Haynesworth retake the conditioning test. You can't embarrass a player publicly like that and then expect him to respect you and fall in line. I'm not going to argue whether Shanny was right or wrong with the way that he handled that, but that really killed any chance of Haynesworth being a productive member of this team.

AH embarrassed himself when he wouldn't even show up for mandatory OTA's and has never stopped. This is all on him. No other player could get away with what he has, and there is no way any player should expect to be treated by their own set of rules and no coach would get or deserves respect who would let a player do that to him.

Jamaal Brown did, to an extent. He didn't skip mandatory workouts but he skipped voluntary workouts in an effort to force his way out of New Orleans.

Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeil both skipped voluntary workouts and mandatory workouts, and it resulted in McNeil getting a very lucrative extensions and Jackson, after being fined and suspended, was welcomed back to the team without any additional drama or fighting between player and coach.

Haynesworth was wrong to skip mandatory workouts, but both sides handled this situation poorly.

[NC43Hog]

I am done with people being done.

Never seen a coach make a tackle in a game, but have seen plenty of bad coaching.

You can't coach talent, or speed or size.

Chill out people it's year one that has had one big Cerrato leftover pain in the ass in AH that no one predicted. I just hope the quick fix, big ticket trades of the past are over and we get back to growing a team from the draft and within, with a smattering of Free Agents for good measure.

[frankcal20]

The Shanahan-Haynesworth relationship was damaged beyond repair when Shanny kept making Haynesworth retake the conditioning test. You can't embarrass a player publicly like that and then expect him to respect you and fall in line. I'm not going to argue whether Shanny was right or wrong with the way that he handled that, but that really killed any chance of Haynesworth being a productive member of this team.

AH embarrassed himself when he wouldn't even show up for mandatory OTA's and has never stopped. This is all on him. No other player could get away with what he has, and there is no way any player should expect to be treated by their own set of rules and no coach would get or deserves respect who would let a player do that to him.

Jamaal Brown did, to an extent. He didn't skip mandatory workouts but he skipped voluntary workouts in an effort to force his way out of New Orleans.

Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeil both skipped voluntary workouts and mandatory workouts, and it resulted in McNeil getting a very lucrative extensions and Jackson, after being fined and suspended, was welcomed back to the team without any additional drama or fighting between player and coach.

Haynesworth was wrong to skip mandatory workouts, but both sides handled this situation poorly.

How is that working out for SD? Well McNeil is having a subpar, but decent season, VJax played one game and got hurt. Pulled the 'ol Hammy. So I think we could say conditioning is very important and if a coach feels having a guy run a drill that mind you, Greeny passed without even training for it, I would hope a guy who has a 100m contract can do especially since he had been training all offseason. So he said.... :)

[KazooSkinsFan]

Jamaal Brown did, to an extent. He didn't skip mandatory workouts but he skipped voluntary workouts in an effort to force his way out of New Orleans.

Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeil both skipped voluntary workouts and mandatory workouts, and it resulted in McNeil getting a very lucrative extensions and Jackson, after being fined and suspended, was welcomed back to the team without any additional drama or fighting between player and coach.

Haynesworth was wrong to skip mandatory workouts, but both sides handled this situation poorly.

AH has gotten away with so much more then any other player would have. I am a team building manager, my staff are very loyal to me. But one thing you never accept as a manager is anyone disrespecting you. Shannahan has given in every possible way and even allowed AH to regularly cross the line of even disrespecting him and still it's not enough? How far does he need to go? Can he stand up if AH craps in his lawn? It's not enough? Please. He's got to stop bending over backwards for that boob. I have yet to hear anyone but some Redskin fans on this board blame anyone but AH for this. It's time for people to grow up, AH has a job to do and he's being uber paid for it and he's not doing it. This is on him. Shannahan has done too little, not too much.

[Deadskins]

Firstly, Something was said in the locker room at half because we saw two defenses in this weekends game. Shannahan doesn't make a tackle. Haslett doesn't make a tackle so until they do and I see player's being put in position to make a play - and they don't - then I'm not going to come down hard on the coaches. Player's make plays. Coaches put player's in position to make those plays. That's it.

So you are saying that coaches have no influence on how the players play? And specifically for Haslett, he IS, in fact, the one that puts those guy in the scheme (also considered position) to make those plays. He is, after all, the defensive coordinator. Or am I misunderstanding the defensive coordinator's responisbilities?

You have no idea what you are talking about. A coordinator puts his players in position to win true so if he is not doing a good job with that, well then blame the DC. Running tackling drills and teaching how to tackle is done in pop warner, junior high school, high school, and most colleges. There is no time spent on teaching pro's to tackle except maybe a tiny bit in pre season if a coach still runs in the hole drills. You are expected to know how to tackle in the pro's.

So, when you draft, as a scout, you need to make sure you are looking at the game film and interviewing the coaches to evaluate technique and soundness of a player. These were clearly not done when drafting over the last 10 years. It was evidenced throughout the game. Most notably on the Jacobs run on like the third play of the game. Kareem Moore was put in position to make a play for a loss, but instead, whiffed (I actually don't know what that was) on tackling Jacobs and the guy ran for like 34 yards. How is that Hasletts fault? It continued throughout the game. Rocky's hit on the TE over the middle, Doughty's missed tackle for loss on Bradshaw, and on and on and on.

I was going to bring it up in another one of your hate posts, but it's really not worth fighting when one side just doesn't understand how things work in the NFL. Their knowledge is based on some HS football they played. So before you start your come back rant, go read a few book about NFL defense and come talk.

I wish you wouldn't act so superior when making such fallacious statements. Any coach worth his salt in the NFL is going to try and improve and correct his players' fundamentals if they think there is something lacking. Have the Skins players been tackling great all season, and suddenly sucked in this one game? You're blaming the scouts? OK, sure.

[Redskin in Canada]

Hallelujah !!!

This decision DEFINES that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen run the football operations and Daniel Snyder is following their advice !!!

It is FANTASTIC that an EGOMANIAC who feels that he is ahead of the team does not get paid if he does not abide by the terms of his contract !!!

It is a GREAT decision but it is also a very TIMELY decision !!!

This is a TURNING POINT in policy and modus operandi for the Redskins in OVER A DECADE !!!

This is how you BUILD a TEAM.

In an ideal world, Fat Al would have had the professionalism to abide by the terms of his contract. He would have placed TEAM ahead of himself. It was too much to ask. The guy has the maturity of a junior high school slighted cheerleader.

I am back on the bandwagon. Mike Shanahan, I am back on your side and I BELIEVE that you and Bruce will turn it around. I am not in a hurry. I will be here supporting you all the way.

This is a DEFINING moment for this team and its fans. I am happy to side with my commanding officer and my band of brothers who will fight for the team as much as I will.

HTTR

[KazooSkinsFan]

Hallelujah !!!

This decision DEFINES that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen run the football operations and Daniel Snyder is following their advice !!!

It is FANTASTIC that an EGOMANIAC who feels that he is ahead of the team does not get paid if he does not abide by the terms of his contract !!!

It is a GREAT decision but it is also a very TIMELY decision !!!

This is a TURNING POINT in policy and modus operandi for the Redskins in OVER A DECADE !!!

This is how you BUILD a TEAM.

In an ideal world, Fat Al would have had the professionalism to abide by the terms of his contract. He would have placed TEAM ahead of himself. It was too much to ask. The guy has the maturity of a junior high school slighted cheerleader.

I am back on the bandwagon. Mike Shanahan, I am back on your side and I BELIEVE that you and Bruce will turn it around. I am not in a hurry. I will be here supporting you all the way.

This is a DEFINING moment for this team and its fans. I am happy to side with my commanding officer and my band of brothers who will fight for the team as much as I will.

HTTR

+1

[CanesSkins26]

The Shanahan-Haynesworth relationship was damaged beyond repair when Shanny kept making Haynesworth retake the conditioning test. You can't embarrass a player publicly like that and then expect him to respect you and fall in line. I'm not going to argue whether Shanny was right or wrong with the way that he handled that, but that really killed any chance of Haynesworth being a productive member of this team.

AH embarrassed himself when he wouldn't even show up for mandatory OTA's and has never stopped. This is all on him. No other player could get away with what he has, and there is no way any player should expect to be treated by their own set of rules and no coach would get or deserves respect who would let a player do that to him.

Jamaal Brown did, to an extent. He didn't skip mandatory workouts but he skipped voluntary workouts in an effort to force his way out of New Orleans.

Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeil both skipped voluntary workouts and mandatory workouts, and it resulted in McNeil getting a very lucrative extensions and Jackson, after being fined and suspended, was welcomed back to the team without any additional drama or fighting between player and coach.

Haynesworth was wrong to skip mandatory workouts, but both sides handled this situation poorly.

How is that working out for SD? Well McNeil is having a subpar, but decent season, VJax played one game and got hurt. Pulled the 'ol Hammy. So I think we could say conditioning is very important and if a coach feels having a guy run a drill that mind you, Greeny passed without even training for it, I would hope a guy who has a 100m contract can do especially since he had been training all offseason. So he said....

My point was that even with disagreements and players skipping voluntary and mandatory workouts, the Chargers were able to fix the situation without going through all of the drama that we have gone through with Haynesworth.

[CanesSkins26]

I just hope the quick fix, big ticket trades of the past are over and we get back to growing a team from the draft and within, with a smattering of Free Agents for good measure.

Didn't we see those types of trades this offseason with McNabb and Brown?

[NC43Hog]

Hallelujah !!!

This decision DEFINES that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen run the football operations and Daniel Snyder is following their advice !!!

It is FANTASTIC that an EGOMANIAC who feels that he is ahead of the team does not get paid if he does not abide by the terms of his contract !!!

It is a GREAT decision but it is also a very TIMELY decision !!!

This is a TURNING POINT in policy and modus operandi for the Redskins in OVER A DECADE !!!

This is how you BUILD a TEAM.

In an ideal world, Fat Al would have had the professionalism to abide by the terms of his contract. He would have placed TEAM ahead of himself. It was too much to ask. The guy has the maturity of a junior high school slighted cheerleader.

I am back on the bandwagon. Mike Shanahan, I am back on your side and I BELIEVE that you and Bruce will turn it around. I am not in a hurry. I will be here supporting you all the way.

This is a DEFINING moment for this team and its fans. I am happy to side with my commanding officer and my band of brothers who will fight for the team as much as I will.

HTTR

I got all goosebumply reading this! Punch my ticket on the ShannyTrain.

Every player on the team knows now to buy in or just say bye.

[NC43Hog]

I just hope the quick fix, big ticket trades of the past are over and we get back to growing a team from the draft and within, with a smattering of Free Agents for good measure.

Didn't we see those types of trades this offseason with McNabb and Brown?

Not really, no - the jury is still out.

[KazooSkinsFan]

My point was that even with disagreements and players skipping voluntary and mandatory workouts, the Chargers were able to fix the situation without going through all of the drama that we have gone through with Haynesworth.

AH is so far beyond that. Even if you accept his argument he was promised the Redskins would play nothing but the 4-3 as long as he was on the roster (which I seriously doubt) and that's a reason to stop working, he gave up his "I don't want to play in the 3-4" when he passed on giving money back to walk. At that point he owed playing in the system he was in and was in breach of his contract. The Skins should be able to get the whole thing back and void it.

[TeeterSalad]

Hallelujah !!!

This decision DEFINES that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen run the football operations and Daniel Snyder is following their advice !!!

It is FANTASTIC that an EGOMANIAC who feels that he is ahead of the team does not get paid if he does not abide by the terms of his contract !!!

It is a GREAT decision but it is also a very TIMELY decision !!!

This is a TURNING POINT in policy and modus operandi for the Redskins in OVER A DECADE !!!

This is how you BUILD a TEAM.

In an ideal world, Fat Al would have had the professionalism to abide by the terms of his contract. He would have placed TEAM ahead of himself. It was too much to ask. The guy has the maturity of a junior high school slighted cheerleader.

I am back on the bandwagon. Mike Shanahan, I am back on your side and I BELIEVE that you and Bruce will turn it around. I am not in a hurry. I will be here supporting you all the way.

This is a DEFINING moment for this team and its fans. I am happy to side with my commanding officer and my band of brothers who will fight for the team as much as I will.

HTTR

Great post. Thanks RiC...I haven't gotten off the Shanawagon yet, and do not intend to for at least another couple years.

[welch]

Hallelujah !!!

This decision DEFINES that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen run the football operations and Daniel Snyder is following their advice !!!

It is FANTASTIC that an EGOMANIAC who feels that he is ahead of the team does not get paid if he does not abide by the terms of his contract !!!

It is a GREAT decision but it is also a very TIMELY decision !!!

This is a TURNING POINT in policy and modus operandi for the Redskins in OVER A DECADE !!!

This is how you BUILD a TEAM.

In an ideal world, Fat Al would have had the professionalism to abide by the terms of his contract. He would have placed TEAM ahead of himself. It was too much to ask. The guy has the maturity of a junior high school slighted cheerleader.

I am back on the bandwagon. Mike Shanahan, I am back on your side and I BELIEVE that you and Bruce will turn it around. I am not in a hurry. I will be here supporting you all the way.

This is a DEFINING moment for this team and its fans. I am happy to side with my commanding officer and my band of brothers who will fight for the team as much as I will.

HTTR

+1

This year Shanahan pulls out the players who can't be part of the team. Vince Lombardi did the same in 1969, and he started with one of the all-time great passing attacks. Two or three Hall of Famers. Shanahan did not inherit a team with a Jurgensen clone at QB and a Taylor clone at WR.

This will be painful, but, so what?