Post Game Thread - Eagles v Redskins

[MDSKINSFAN]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

[1niksder]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

+1

[VetSkinsFan]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

+1

But McNabb was shanahan, not cerato

[MDSKINSFAN]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

+1

But McNabb was shanahan, not cerato

Then talk about McNabb. Why is he compared to JC? He shouldn't be connected with JC at all. Why is a guy that isn't even on the team brought up in almost every post game thread? He is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the Redskins right now.

[CanesSkins26]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

+1

But McNabb was shanahan, not cerato

Then talk about McNabb. Why is he compared to JC? He shouldn't be connected with JC at all. Why is a guy that isn't even on the team brought up in almost every post game thread? He is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the Redskins right now.

It's not unreasonable to compare the current qb to the player that he replaced.

[VetSkinsFan]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

+1

But McNabb was shanahan, not cerato

Then talk about McNabb. Why is he compared to JC? He shouldn't be connected with JC at all. Why is a guy that isn't even on the team brought up in almost every post game thread? He is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the Redskins right now.

I did comment on McNabb. You're the one reiterating on JC.

And I think I commented on YOUR comment of Vinny and Danny mess in saying that McNabb isn't one of their messes. How about you address THAT point instead of dredging up JC even more.

[MDSKINSFAN]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

+1

But McNabb was shanahan, not cerato

Then talk about McNabb. Why is he compared to JC? He shouldn't be connected with JC at all. Why is a guy that isn't even on the team brought up in almost every post game thread? He is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the Redskins right now.

I did comment on McNabb. You're the one reiterating on JC.

And I think I commented on YOUR comment of Vinny and Danny mess in saying that McNabb isn't one of their messes. How about you address THAT point instead of dredging up JC even more.

I'm not one of the people that has brought him up in every post game thread but ok...

And no I'm not saying McNabb is Vinny/Danny's mess but the offense surrounding him is. McNabb isn't part of the problem here. The players around him that Shanahan inherited are awful. Most of the offensive lineman in front of him shouldn't even be in the NFL. The only good lineman we have is Williams who Shanahan brought in. The lack of WR's, the wasted draft picks that should've been spent elsewhere, the ignoring of the O-line for a decade, the list goes on of all the stupid things Vinny did that led to the mess we have now. How can you blame a man that has been here for half a season, playing on a team that was still built for the most part by an incompetent GM and owner, for his teams pathetic performance? Especially since the main problem is on the other side of the ball.

[UK Skins Fan]

Is it over yet?

[gushogs]

400 YPG allowed was going to cash us sooner or later. After last night humilliation, I don't see how we can win another game. Another all time low in my +25 yrs of being a Skins fan. Feels like dejavu.
HaiL

[PiggyKiller]

The Redskins are a confused trainwreck. Bench the wrong guy, then extend him 5 years. Typical horrendous offensive line. No talent at the wideout position. Overpaid players whose best game comes out of their mouth in the form of hot air.. trainwreck.

[RayNAustin]

Being in Australia may have lessened the pain for me at least

it is what it is - we are and never were a very good team and have been badly exposed twice this season

this current situation is not that big of a deal, really - there are many here who are so out of touch and thought that we were turning things around, way too quickly

WE ARE COMING OFF A 4-12 SEASON - we are not going to be competitive until we can replace all the old geezers on the offensiive line and find some depth PLUS get ourselves a decent RB & WR - and that's on offense

we also need a lot of help along the defensive line - PLEASE


anyway - we are still looking at 8-8 or 9-7 and that means we are a
huge improvement over last season despite what all the blind fans think


OH! - congratulations also to McNabb for the extension and the FO for showing once again how lucky we are to have guys in charge that know what they are doing


so there u have it - even down here in the land of OZ - I'm still able to have a positive look at this franchise

I applaud your optimism, and I wish I could share it. Unfortunately, the last three weeks have confirmed my anxieties about the status of this team's coaching staff, and the way we were handled by Detroit was alarming enough (as well as the McNabb drama), but last night should be all the proof you or anyone else needs to understand what I've been saying.

Prior to the Detroit debacle, we were 4-3. I pointed out that with a bounce here and a play there, we could have been 6-1 OR 1-6. Losing to Detroit was a turning point. Then we had an extra week to heal up and prepare for the Eagles on Monday Night Football .... a game we desperately needed to win to keep pace in the division as well as keeping pace with the rest of the NFC teams ahead of us for a possible wild card spot. The result was the most lopsided butt kicking in team history .... AT HOME. A team TOTALLY unprepared for what the Eagles immediately did, and continued to do all game long .... expose Hasslett's defensive scheme for what it truly is .... a half baked farce.

The issue is no longer Donovan McNabb, or the O-Line. This issue is about a coaching staff that rode into town on their reputations and their resume's, and have been out coached by the opposition on a weekly basis (read: Rams, Lions) on both sides of the ball. Without those credentials, they would be subject to crucifixion, and deservedly so.

This is the same group of players that beat Philly in Philly, and held them to 12 points. What changed? DeSean Jackson? I tell you what changed ... Philly studied the Redskins PUTRID defense that has managed to keep points of the board on occasions with a lot of turnovers ... but they haven't stopped ANYBODY, which is why they are at the bottom of the NFL in yards allowed. And they came out and routed the Redskin defense in the first 10 minutes of the game.

The first play of the game, we see none other than LaRon Landry playing what can only be described as Free Safety against Jackson? HE CAN'T COVER A FREAKING TE !!!! You might as well have Albert Haynesworth back there. And after that ... what did we see? We saw Landry playing 35 yards deep for the rest of the entire game!!!! The fact is, Landry is probably one of the big reasons the Redskins were not 1-7 going into this game ... his play near the line of scrimmage this year has been half of the defense's success. Landry was being used last night like Landry of 2009, and not the 2010 version. And this, my friend, is proof that this coaching staff ... the whole lot of them are a disaster looking for a place to happen ... we already have seen what Shanahan & Son are capable of from the Detroit game ... and Hasseltt is now officially a COMPLETE DISASTER.

This defense blew a 17 point lead against Houston, giving up what ??? 500 yards passing? In the Colts game, Hasslett, on the sideline looked as if he were being held hostage by a group of angry Muslim terrorists wielding swords .... the look on his face over there was worth a 1000 words .. he was dumbfounded and clueless ... and now this ... this embarrassment on monday night football.

And I really don't want to hear how great Michael Vick is again ... it's getting nauseating .... EVERYBODY is Joe Montana against this defense.

The only reasonable strategy the Redskins could have planned for stopping the Eagles last night was extreme pressure on Vick .... if you have one guy chasing him "occasionally", that guy will never catch him ... inside pressure won't do a thing ... you have to bring loads of pressure from the edges, and get Vicks eyes looking for escape routs instead of looking down field. That never happened last night, playing two deep safety. It was an IDIOTIC strategy, and basically took one of the year's best defensive players out of the game ENTIRELY. Was that the plan going in? Or was that simply a disastrous knee jerk reaction to the first play of the game? I don't really know ... and I don't think it really matters ... what matters is that if you wanted to design a strategy that played right into the hands of the Eagles and ensured failure ... you could have hardly done a better job than Hasslett did.

All year long, opposing offenses look at the defensive package on the field ... linebackers in ... pass .... Dime defense ... run ... it's been the same sad story all year long. And the ONLY time we stop the pass is when we send 6 to rush the passer ... otherwise, we've been eaten alive.

This is not just about lack of talent, this is about a defense that is the worst we've seen since before Snyder bought the team, and a 30 year old Offensive genius that can't figure out how to get a first down, or call a screen play once in a while when the backfield is FILLED with defensive players.

By every measure ... the now laughing stock Jim Zorn had the 2008 Redskins looking much stronger in the first 9 games of his tenure ... until the o-line was decimated by injury and Portis came up lame.

Zorn and Blache today, with the current roster, including a legitimate QB, would do a better job that the three stooges, Mike, Kyle, and Jim.

[PiggyKiller]

The Redskin fans are the quickest to galvanize when a new coaching regime takes over... and the quickest to lose complete faith in that regime. Shanahan's nepotism is definitely a problem, but the main problem is the same as it's always been: The Redskins are not as talented as you think they are.

[USAFSkinFan]

I don't want to apologize for McNabb because he certainly owns his part in those 3rd downs and INTs, but could somebody help a brother out once in a while? How about we pick up a blitz one time? The only way he isn't side-stepping a defender in the backfield is if they run play action on 1st down. It can't be that easy to get a free run at a QB week in and week out. The pick 6 was a hot read on a blitz, except the defender knew it was hot read before the receiver did. Moss stopped on his route on the first INT, and Galloway might as well have been wearing sign that told the DB what he was doing (pop warner kids run quicker curl routes than that).

When you watch the youth and speed and athletisism of some of the teams we play, it really looks like we're going in the wrong direction. It seems every trade we've made has made us older and slower than the teams we've traded with. Every free agent we've signed is older than the guys that were here before. I know that's not true in every case but it feels like it.

We have a couple talented young guys in Orakpo and T Williams, but I wouldn't call it a core to build around. Guys like Licktensteiger, Heyer, Torain, Banks, Armstrong, Buchanon, and even Alexander are nice stories and good role players so far, but they're mostly special teams kind of guys not starters on good teams in my opinion. That equates to a couple more years of turnover to imrove our talent level... if we really do well in the draft...

By the way, am I the only one that thought they got away with holding Orakpo on that first play? I wasn't even worried when he threw the pass because I thought it was obviously coming back... who knows - they get deflated, pushed back to the 6, crowd gets into it, we get a stop, get the ball at the 50 with a little more aggressive mind set on first down... whole different game... okay, I'm dreaming but who knows...

[PiggyKiller]

The bottom line is we're not as good as we showed last night, and the Redskins aren't as bad. You guys made that look like an Eagles masterpiece. Jaws and Gruden were so attached to Michael Vick's jockstrap that you would've thought it was a local call. Pretty nauseating. I won't lie. I had the time of my life watching the game last night and I couldn't be more happy for Vick and our O-line that's had its own problems this year. Bittersweet too, because I'm still a humongous DMac fan. Glad to see him signed, but I'm suspicious of that deal.

[HOGETTE MX]

I'm sick of the JC talk. It's irrelevant. He isn't here anymore. Everyone needs to get over it. He is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he had plenty of chances here to show that he was a franchise QB and he never did.

After such a terrible performance JC should be the last player we are talking about. How about we focus on who we do have? Or the mess that Vinny and Danny left this new regime? There is so much more crap that is actually relevant to this current Redskins team than JC.

+1

But McNabb was shanahan, not cerato

Then talk about McNabb. Why is he compared to JC? He shouldn't be connected with JC at all. Why is a guy that isn't even on the team brought up in almost every post game thread? He is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the Redskins right now.

I did comment on McNabb. You're the one reiterating on JC.

And I think I commented on YOUR comment of Vinny and Danny mess in saying that McNabb isn't one of their messes. How about you address THAT point instead of dredging up JC even more.

I'm not one of the people that has brought him up in every post game thread but ok...

And no I'm not saying McNabb is Vinny/Danny's mess but the offense surrounding him is. McNabb isn't part of the problem here. The players around him that Shanahan inherited are awful. Most of the offensive lineman in front of him shouldn't even be in the NFL. The only good lineman we have is Williams who Shanahan brought in. The lack of WR's, the wasted draft picks that should've been spent elsewhere, the ignoring of the O-line for a decade, the list goes on of all the stupid things Vinny did that led to the mess we have now. How can you blame a man that has been here for half a season, playing on a team that was still built for the most part by an incompetent GM and owner , for his teams pathetic performance? Especially since the main problem is on the other side of the ball.

AMEN to that!!

[RayNAustin]

The Redskin fans are the quickest to galvanize when a new coaching regime takes over... and the quickest to lose complete faith in that regime. Shanahan's nepotism is definitely a problem, but the main problem is the same as it's always been: The Redskins are not as talented as you think they are.

It would be hard to argue the lack of talent accusation .... given the o-line mess we have, and the rookie RB being expected to carry the entire load right now without much blocking help. But there is a core group of very good players ... just not the 3 or 4 standout star players some teams have.

But Dallas is a perfect example of how easy it is to play badly no matter how much "talent" you possess. Case in point ... the Dez Bryant rookie ... this guy is a stud ... and is going to be a game changer, similar to Andre Johnson. But you have to get the ball to him .... and the Cowboys have had their share of o-line issues .... but look what happened after the coaching change to Garrett this week .... they dismantled a hot Giants team. The difference was attitude, preparation, and game planning ... which is precisely what was the difference between Redskins-Eagles 1 versus Redskin-Eagles 2.

Clearly, the Eagles were much better prepared going in, and had a definite scheme to attack the weaknesses of the Redskin defense. When you put up 28 points inside the first 10 minutes of the game .... it allows your defense to play aggressively and attack, rather than play defensively. By the same token, an offense that finds itself down by 5 TDs with 14 minutes left in the first half doesn't have a prayer .... and there is no fear from DB's wjo can play tight coverages and jump routs when you're up 35 zip ... there is no running game to defend against ... it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

If all of that was about a talent disparity, the first game wouldn't have ended 17-12 in the Redskins favor (at your place).

Star Talent can make a difference only if it is utilized properly, and the players are put into position to make plays. Aside from Jackson's 1st play TD, he was silent the rest of the game ... apparently the strategy was to take him out, though the two deep safety defense used to combat Jackson as a deep threat left the middle of the field wide open for the Eagles ... and that defensive scheme also contributed to the lack of pass rush too. No exotic blitzes ... no pressure on Vick .... the results of which were very predictable.

The Redskins literally took one of their most productive defensive players this year out of the game, having him play 35 yards off the line. Why? To defend against a deep ball? You guys were racking up 10 or more yards per play throughout the entire first half. Did the Redskins adjust? No. They committed the classic act of insanity ... doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result.

Two weeks ago, the Redskins did the same thing against the lions ... they just couldn't figure out how to mitigate a jail break pass rush. Good coaches understand how to respond to in game situations, and make adjustments on the fly .... so far, the Redskins haven't been able to make adjustments with weeks of film and results. In fact, it looks like they are regressing.

Sure, you can blame a lack of talent ... but is it on-field talent or sideline talent? I'd say, it's about 35% player 65% coaching that equates to the failures at this stage, which just might be the difference between 6-3 and 4-5 ... star talent or no star talent.

[frankcal20]

You guys write some long posts.

[Rykker]

You guys write some long posts.

Yes.

Please continue...


/learning

[DarthMonk]

In order to do what's right and take the "TEAR DOWN & REBUILD" approach, this team would have to pay the one thing it has shown in 11 seasons that it is unwilling to pay:

The price of time and patience.

The time needed to set up this franchise for a long-term run at playoff berths, division titles, all that.

The willingness to come out and say to all Redskins fans "Bear with us. This might take a while."

(Leonsis learned that lesson in 3 seasons. Now see what's come of it)

The incessant going-nowhere quest for the quick fix hasn't borne any fruit and it ain't looking too promising for the near future.

RIGHT ON MAIBRUTHA!

DarthMonk

[El Mexican]

I have no idea what to expect about this team. None. Nada.

I won't make any grandiose analysis or snarky comments.

Just one small note: every week it seems like we are playing in slowmo and the other guys are on mach 3. Again, I don't know why.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

@ RaynAustin
Not gonna quote you to make the never ending quote line, but you made some valid points.

Instead of our D keeping us in the game haslett effectively took them out of the game.. LL in coverage all game? What an awful waste. Don't we have a rookie safety? Why are we playing doughty and Moore when they continually fail? Why no corner blitz or engage 8?
Our players aren't the issue here its our DC that just isn't good at his job. Not good at playing players where he should or calling plays. I'm confident 3/4 of Americas young teens who play Madden could run a better defensive scheme then Jim.. Not to mention the nine year old Chinese kids who should know less about American football but own online comps.

I called for his head early and now (as a HEAVY shanny 1 and 2 supporter) it is becoming a reflection of MS and his failings for not cutting the obvious weakest link on the whole squad. By letting haslett kill our D MS is becoming responsible for not putting an end to it...

I dunno who is available but I'm sure 93.5 % of the posters on this board would turn the D around quicker then Jim hasnot has destroyed it... 4-3 (which is what we pretty much run) or even 3-4 can be pulled off with THIS personnel NOW with out a total NFL defensive ratard running it.

[SkinsJock]

That was the worst Redskins loss I've ever witnessed. I think there have been more painful games, but in terms of being outplayed I can't think of a better (or is it worse?) example.

I agree - the only positive this positive thinker can offer is that it only counts as 1 Loss - that was horrible

Shanahan has to look at this whole organization and make the adjustments that need to be made - we've had 2 horrible efforts this season and while we are not as bad as what we saw he cannot be happy at what he's seeing from the coaches or the players

AND this after a "bye" week = not good

[USAFSkinFan]

Hey this team should probably be 0-9. Dallas, Green Bay, and Chicago all found ways to give us games they should've won (also thanks to a couple nice defensive touchdowns by D Hall). The first Philly game we deserved to win, but the fact is their receiver had both hands on the ball in the end zone on the final play only to have the ball pop out (again to D Hall).

So I guess I feel pretty fortunate to be 4-5. I don't have illusions of this being a playoff team, so I'd like to see them do things that will help them get better in the next couple years... continue to give reps to guys like Torain and K Williams and Young, even if they're only going to come off the bench in the future. Forget putting Galloway on the field, he's not helping anyone, I'd rather see Banks learn his routes. I'm not sure how to prepare the O'Line for the future because T Williams is looking like the only keeper right now. As far as the DBs go, If Kevin Barnes isn't any better than Buchanon by now, then he probably doesn't have the up-side they thought he'd have, so we need to find out what his future holds. And how about when we go up against these athletic QBs like Vince Young, we suit up one of these young guys like Perry Riley and let him chase the guy around a bit... just thinking out loud... I'd like to have some bright spots to look forward to in

[VetSkinsFan]

I'm not using the record necessarily to judge on our record. We haven't been playing good football and we haven't been improving on the field. That's my QQ. We're not improving.

[SkinsJock]

we may not be improving but as bad as we are we are going to end up with a better W-L record than last year

we may not be 'better' than last year BUT we are not going to be drafting in the top 10 in the next draft either

we may not look very good at present but there are a bunch of other teams that are worse


gotta think positive