Deadskins wrote:The point isn't that he was supposed to do it in one year
Actually that IS the discussion. dlc was arguing he doesn't get credit in Houston because he inherited a great offense, but he says about our abysmal offense this year he's the OC and gets the blame from day one. I'm arguing he inherited the mess and he can't "do it in one year." Then you came in with the word parsing about what constitutes what he got from Zorn in terms of players and schemes. That he can't fix it in one year IS the point of discussion.
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Deadskins wrote:The point isn't that he was supposed to do it in one year
Actually that IS the discussion. dlc was arguing he doesn't get credit in Houston because he inherited a great offense, but he says about our abysmal offense this year he's the OC and gets the blame from day one. I'm arguing he inherited the mess and he can't "do it in one year." Then you came in with the word parsing about what constitutes what he got from Zorn in terms of players and schemes. That he can't fix it in one year IS the point of discussion.
If we can't do it now, then why did we get a QB in decline?
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Deadskins wrote:The point isn't that he was supposed to do it in one year
Actually that IS the discussion. dlc was arguing he doesn't get credit in Houston because he inherited a great offense, but he says about our abysmal offense this year he's the OC and gets the blame from day one. I'm arguing he inherited the mess and he can't "do it in one year." Then you came in with the word parsing about what constitutes what he got from Zorn in terms of players and schemes. That he can't fix it in one year IS the point of discussion.
If we can't do it now, then why did we get a QB in decline?
That's my problem with the McNabb trade and contract. I agree with Kazoo that the mess that Kyle inherited from Zorn can not be fixed in one season, probably not even two. So given the many holes that we have, why throw multiple picks at a declining qb and then sign him to an extension? Just doesn't make any sense.
Deadskins wrote:The point isn't that he was supposed to do it in one year
Actually that IS the discussion. dlc was arguing he doesn't get credit in Houston because he inherited a great offense, but he says about our abysmal offense this year he's the OC and gets the blame from day one. I'm arguing he inherited the mess and he can't "do it in one year." Then you came in with the word parsing about what constitutes what he got from Zorn in terms of players and schemes. That he can't fix it in one year IS the point of discussion.
If we can't do it now, then why did we get a QB in decline?
That's my problem with the McNabb trade and contract. I agree with Kazoo that the mess that Kyle inherited from Zorn can not be fixed in one season, probably not even two. So given the many holes that we have, why throw multiple picks at a declining qb and then sign him to an extension? Just doesn't make any sense.
My angle as well, Canes.
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Deadskins wrote:The point isn't that he was supposed to do it in one year
Actually that IS the discussion. dlc was arguing he doesn't get credit in Houston because he inherited a great offense, but he says about our abysmal offense this year he's the OC and gets the blame from day one. I'm arguing he inherited the mess and he can't "do it in one year." Then you came in with the word parsing about what constitutes what he got from Zorn in terms of players and schemes. That he can't fix it in one year IS the point of discussion.
If we can't do it now, then why did we get a QB in decline?
That's my problem with the McNabb trade and contract. I agree with Kazoo that the mess that Kyle inherited from Zorn can not be fixed in one season, probably not even two. So given the many holes that we have, why throw multiple picks at a declining qb and then sign him to an extension? Just doesn't make any sense.
It's better than drafting a rookie and turning him into another Patrick Ramsey, considering the lack of portection, no running game or WR to throw to. Drafting and playing a "QB of the future" would have the kid DOA.
Now they can address the other needs next year and wait to draft a QB in a year or two that can sit behind Donovan for a year.
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Deadskins wrote:The point isn't that he was supposed to do it in one year
Actually that IS the discussion. dlc was arguing he doesn't get credit in Houston because he inherited a great offense, but he says about our abysmal offense this year he's the OC and gets the blame from day one. I'm arguing he inherited the mess and he can't "do it in one year." Then you came in with the word parsing about what constitutes what he got from Zorn in terms of players and schemes. That he can't fix it in one year IS the point of discussion.
If we can't do it now, then why did we get a QB in decline?
That's my problem with the McNabb trade and contract. I agree with Kazoo that the mess that Kyle inherited from Zorn can not be fixed in one season, probably not even two. So given the many holes that we have, why throw multiple picks at a declining qb and then sign him to an extension? Just doesn't make any sense.
It's better than drafting a rookie and turning him into another Patrick Ramsey, considering the lack of portection, no running game or WR to throw to. Drafting and playing a "QB of the future" would have the kid DOA. Now they can address the other needs next year and wait to draft a QB in a year or two that can sit behind Donovan for a year.
What's the point, though? If it's to build something to hand of to a young qb in the future why not sign a stop-gap qb for 2-3 years instead of burning two draft picks? Instead, we've traded 2 picks for McNabb and 2 for Brown (who is also older and injury prone). How do you then fill the holes with young players if you are trading away picks?
At times it seems like we are trying to build for the future and then at other times it looks like we are in "win now" mode. It just seems like they are going down two opposite tracks at the same time. At least the McNabb extension is starting to look much more reasonable.
Deadskins wrote:The point isn't that he was supposed to do it in one year
Actually that IS the discussion. dlc was arguing he doesn't get credit in Houston because he inherited a great offense, but he says about our abysmal offense this year he's the OC and gets the blame from day one. I'm arguing he inherited the mess and he can't "do it in one year." Then you came in with the word parsing about what constitutes what he got from Zorn in terms of players and schemes. That he can't fix it in one year IS the point of discussion.
If we can't do it now, then why did we get a QB in decline?
That's my problem with the McNabb trade and contract. I agree with Kazoo that the mess that Kyle inherited from Zorn can not be fixed in one season, probably not even two. So given the many holes that we have, why throw multiple picks at a declining qb and then sign him to an extension? Just doesn't make any sense.
It's better than drafting a rookie and turning him into another Patrick Ramsey, considering the lack of portection, no running game or WR to throw to. Drafting and playing a "QB of the future" would have the kid DOA. Now they can address the other needs next year and wait to draft a QB in a year or two that can sit behind Donovan for a year.
But we gave two picks for a QB with about a 3yr shelf life. Two picks that could have been used for that rebuilding process, but instead are gone. We're NOT gonna win now, and we're NOT even close to really being contenders.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:But we gave two picks for a QB with about a 3yr shelf life. Two picks that could have been used for that rebuilding process, but instead are gone. We're NOT gonna win now, and we're NOT even close to really being contenders.
What we gave up actually isn't that much. Most second rounders plus are mediocrities at best. McNabb's not just about his ability to play, and he's still a very good quarterback, but without a real quarterback no one else on offense gets better. The line blocks for a quarterback who doesn't accomplish anything, the receivers don't progress, the backs don't have a passing game to take the pressure off and it's discouraging to everyone.
The bottom line is players need to progress. They aren't hammers and saws that work the same no matter how often or infrequently they are used. Without a quarterback, everyone's growth is stunted on offense. And D as well as they aren't tested in practice. And it also takes the pressure off a rookie to start right away. For a quarterback who solves our problem even or 2-3 years, it's not only worth it, it's worth it by a long way.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:But we gave two picks for a QB with about a 3yr shelf life. Two picks that could have been used for that rebuilding process, but instead are gone. We're NOT gonna win now, and we're NOT even close to really being contenders.
What we gave up actually isn't that much. Most second rounders plus are mediocrities at best. McNabb's not just about his ability to play, and he's still a very good quarterback, but without a real quarterback no one else on offense gets better. The line blocks for a quarterback who doesn't accomplish anything, the receivers don't progress, the backs don't have a passing game to take the pressure off and it's discouraging to everyone.
The bottom line is players need to progress. They aren't hammers and saws that work the same no matter how often or infrequently they are used. Without a quarterback, everyone's growth is stunted on offense. And D as well as they aren't tested in practice. And it also takes the pressure off a rookie to start right away. For a quarterback who solves our problem even or 2-3 years, it's not only worth it, it's worth it by a long way.
So how's that growing process with that 'very good QB' with a horrid line and little run support? How are those WRs growing? For the record, I haven't seen any growth in the offense this year since week 1. More INTs than TDs, low completion percentage, QB rating ranked in the 20s league-wide.
We pride ourselves in The Hogs of the 80s. We won 3 Super Bowls (counting '91). Our strength wasn't a QB; we had 3 different ones. Our strength wasn't RB, I think we had 3 different ones there as well, counting a rookie MVP setting a then Super Bowl record for rushing (something along the lines of 221yds). Our strength was The Hogs. Until we improve the offensive line significantly, no QB will excel behind a completely porous offensive line as we have, and I believe we're wasting McNabb's short shelf life with a horrible offensive line among other holes.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:So how's that growing process with that 'very good QB' with a horrid line and little run support? How are those WRs growing? For the record, I haven't seen any growth in the offense this year since week 1. More INTs than TDs, low completion percentage, QB rating ranked in the 20s league-wide.
Anthony Armstrong has grown from being a PS player with JC to a starter with DM. Between Torain and K. Williams they have a young back to replace CP. McNabb's numbers are bad but he is helping these guys learn to be pros. These same guys hopefully will be around when they get that young QB.
VetSkinsFan wrote:We pride ourselves in The Hogs of the 80s. We won 3 Super Bowls (counting '91). Our strength wasn't a QB; we had 3 different ones. Our strength wasn't RB, I think we had 3 different ones there as well, counting a rookie MVP setting a then Super Bowl record for rushing (something along the lines of 221yds). Our strength was The Hogs. Until we improve the offensive line significantly, no QB will excel behind a completely porous offensive line as we have, and I believe we're wasting McNabb's short shelf life with a horrible offensive line among other holes.
There's nothing here I can disagree with.
Why put a young QB back there now and have him shell shocked by the time the line is addressed?
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VetSkinsFan wrote:So how's that growing process with that 'very good QB' with a horrid line and little run support? How are those WRs growing? For the record, I haven't seen any growth in the offense this year since week 1. More INTs than TDs, low completion percentage, QB rating ranked in the 20s league-wide.
Anthony Armstrong has grown from being a PS player with JC to a starter with DM. Between Torain and K. Williams they have a young back to replace CP. McNabb's numbers are bad but he is helping these guys learn to be pros. These same guys hopefully will be around when they get that young QB.
VetSkinsFan wrote:We pride ourselves in The Hogs of the 80s. We won 3 Super Bowls (counting '91). Our strength wasn't a QB; we had 3 different ones. Our strength wasn't RB, I think we had 3 different ones there as well, counting a rookie MVP setting a then Super Bowl record for rushing (something along the lines of 221yds). Our strength was The Hogs. Until we improve the offensive line significantly, no QB will excel behind a completely porous offensive line as we have, and I believe we're wasting McNabb's short shelf life with a horrible offensive line among other holes.
There's nothing here I can disagree with.
Why put a young QB back there now and have him shell shocked by the time the line is addressed?
I guess my whole issue is that we're not able to win now, why trade for a short shelf life. And I'm not saying that we have zero improvements, but AAA doesn't have that many catches, Torrain has a history of injury (and currently injured), and we really haven't seen enough of Williams. Possibilities, but I wouldn't bank on those as positives just yet.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:So how's that growing process with that 'very good QB' with a horrid line and little run support? How are those WRs growing? For the record, I haven't seen any growth in the offense this year since week 1. More INTs than TDs, low completion percentage, QB rating ranked in the 20s league-wide.
We pride ourselves in The Hogs of the 80s. We won 3 Super Bowls (counting '91). Our strength wasn't a QB; we had 3 different ones. Our strength wasn't RB, I think we had 3 different ones there as well, counting a rookie MVP setting a then Super Bowl record for rushing (something along the lines of 221yds). Our strength was The Hogs. Until we improve the offensive line significantly, no QB will excel behind a completely porous offensive line as we have, and I believe we're wasting McNabb's short shelf life with a horrible offensive line among other holes.
I agree, but first we didn't have a viable quarterback and second as I already pointed out a second round one pick and a third or fourth rounder the next are at best a tossup to solve even on one of those problems. But quarterback affects every other position. If keeping the picks would likely solve a bunch of those I would see your point. That is might fix one I don't when it leaves such a gaping whole in the cockpit.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I guess my whole issue is that we're not able to win now, why trade for a short shelf life. And I'm not saying that we have zero improvements, but AAA doesn't have that many catches, Torrain has a history of injury (and currently injured), and we really haven't seen enough of Williams. Possibilities, but I wouldn't bank on those as positives just yet.
But that's how you build a team, but you need to do it over multiple years. You use all your picks, unsigned rookie free agents and supplement them with choice FA's. You can't do it in one year, impossible.
As for the win now, as for me my argument is completely not win now. It's that McNabb helps us win tomorrow. And for that position for a low price.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I guess my whole issue is that we're not able to win now, why trade for a short shelf life. And I'm not saying that we have zero improvements, but AAA doesn't have that many catches, Torrain has a history of injury (and currently injured), and we really haven't seen enough of Williams. Possibilities, but I wouldn't bank on those as positives just yet.
But that's how you build a team, but you need to do it over multiple years. You use all your picks, unsigned rookie free agents and supplement them with choice FA's. You can't do it in one year, impossible.
As for the win now, as for me my argument is completely not win now. It's that McNabb helps us win tomorrow. And for that position for a low price.
This is where we differ. By the time we fill our holes, McNabb will be worn out. So we may get a little bit of mentorship here and there, but as for HIM leading us to anything, he won't. And that 33rd overall pick coulda been put to good use.
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Anthony Armstrong has grown from being a PS player with JC to a starter with DM.
Because we have nobody else. Randel El and Thomas are gone and Kelly is hurt as usual. He's the best of the rest after Moss. I wouldn't say he's grown so much as we just don't have anybody else that can play. He has potential but he is already 27 and is at best a #3 or #4 receiver.
Between Torain and K. Williams they have a young back to replace CP.
Torain can't stay healthy. It's been the story of his career. To expect him to suddenly stop getting hurt is unrealistic. As for Williams, he had some good runs against the Eagles, but do you really think that he can be a feature back in the NFL?
It seems like we have young guys playing because we don't have anyone else, not because they've developed due to McNabb being here.
kaz wrote:As for the win now, as for me my argument is completely not win now. It's that McNabb helps us win tomorrow. And for that position for a low price.
This is where we differ. By the time we fill our holes, McNabb will be worn out. So we may get a little bit of mentorship here and there, but as for HIM leading us to anything, he won't. And that 33rd overall pick coulda been put to good use.
It's not just a "little bit of mentorship." It's allowing a young QB time to develop as well as every other position on the offense. Last year JC flat out couldn't move the ball until it was garbage time, he was completely shut down. McNabb is moving the ball and keeping us in games (w/ a notable recent exception). That gives every other position to improve and keep doing it the next 2-3 years as we keep bringing in more young players. Football players can learn on the practice field and in garbage time, but without a real quarterback they are only going to get so good. Football players aren't toasters that work the same no matter how often you use them, they have to play. With Jason "Three and Out" Campell it doesn't cut it.
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kaz wrote:As for the win now, as for me my argument is completely not win now. It's that McNabb helps us win tomorrow. And for that position for a low price.
This is where we differ. By the time we fill our holes, McNabb will be worn out. So we may get a little bit of mentorship here and there, but as for HIM leading us to anything, he won't. And that 33rd overall pick coulda been put to good use.
It's not just a "little bit of mentorship." It's allowing a young QB time to develop as well as every other position on the offense. Last year JC flat out couldn't move the ball until it was garbage time, he was completely shut down. McNabb is moving the ball and keeping us in games (w/ a notable recent exception). That gives every other position to improve and keep doing it the next 2-3 years as we keep bringing in more young players. Football players can learn on the practice field and in garbage time, but without a real quarterback they are only going to get so good. Football players aren't toasters that work the same no matter how often you use them, they have to play. With Jason "Three and Out" Campell it doesn't cut it.
I totally agree with you here. McNabb helps us win tomorrow by teaching this game to a new QB. Something we haven't had in ever. Teams that continue to win do so by drafting a QB when their starter has 4 years left in him.
See GB, Philthy, and SF as case in point. When GB drafted Radgers, the fans were like "HUH?" and 4 years later he leads them to a championship. All other teams that had superstar QB's failed to look ahead, and their next QB was never mentored. See Buffalo, Denver, Miami (I mean I could go on for two lines of examples). I think Shanny realized his mistake in Denver and wants a vet to come in here and train the next QB.
Campbell is not the answer. Not in Oakland either. Watch a game of theirs. Their defense is totally winning those games for him. He looks pretty bad, as many Raiders fans have commented on Sirius about.
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kaz wrote:As for the win now, as for me my argument is completely not win now. It's that McNabb helps us win tomorrow. And for that position for a low price.
This is where we differ. By the time we fill our holes, McNabb will be worn out. So we may get a little bit of mentorship here and there, but as for HIM leading us to anything, he won't. And that 33rd overall pick coulda been put to good use.
It's not just a "little bit of mentorship." It's allowing a young QB time to develop as well as every other position on the offense. Last year JC flat out couldn't move the ball until it was garbage time, he was completely shut down. McNabb is moving the ball and keeping us in games (w/ a notable recent exception). That gives every other position to improve and keep doing it the next 2-3 years as we keep bringing in more young players. Football players can learn on the practice field and in garbage time, but without a real quarterback they are only going to get so good. Football players aren't toasters that work the same no matter how often you use them, they have to play. With Jason "Three and Out" Campell it doesn't cut it.
Uhhh..... first off, McNabb's not been keeping us in games. Last week, we were 0 fer on 3rd downs. The announcer said something about us being 4 fer 37 in the last coupla games, so don't go telling fallacies about McNabb keeping us in games b/c that percentage (which is 10.8% for those who counting) is HORRID. The defensive turnovers have kept us in games moreso than McNabb.
And Mr "three and out" as you like to point has a better passer rating and better TD:INT ratio and virtually identical completion percentage (.4% lower than McNabb). And I don't recall Mr "three and out" leading a team in an out and out drubbing as Mr 'Intangibles' has, allowing teams to set records in our house.
Bottom line, McNabb ain't slicing bread a new way.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't recall Mr "three and out" leading a team in an out and out drubbing as Mr 'Intangibles' has, allowing teams to set records in our house
That's because our D was good last year, it had nothing to do with the O. I can't speak for JC in Oakland, I've only seen snippets. But his numbers were way padded last year because of garbage time and when he did move the ball, he got it to the 20 and was shut down there. I find it hard to believe if you really watched the games last year and this year you think JC's inability to score points or score touchdowns inside the 20 is the same this year with McNabb. Our O needs a lot of work, but it's just not the utter futility it was last year. It's frankly very hard to believe you really think it is no better with McNabb.
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I totally agree with you here. McNabb helps us win tomorrow by teaching this game to a new QB. Something we haven't had in ever. Teams that continue to win do so by drafting a QB when their starter has 4 years left in him.
See GB, Philthy, and SF as case in point. When GB drafted Radgers, the fans were like "HUH?" and 4 years later he leads them to a championship.
Ok. How about the qb situations in Atlants, St. Louis, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, and Pittsburgh? All situations where young guys have come in an played within a year or two and are doing very well.
VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't recall Mr "three and out" leading a team in an out and out drubbing as Mr 'Intangibles' has, allowing teams to set records in our house
That's because our D was good last year, it had nothing to do with the O. I can't speak for JC in Oakland, I've only seen snippets. But his numbers were way padded last year because of garbage time and when he did move the ball, he got it to the 20 and was shut down there. I find it hard to believe if you really watched the games last year and this year you think JC's inability to score points or score touchdowns inside the 20 is the same this year with McNabb. Our O needs a lot of work, but it's just not the utter futility it was last year. It's frankly very hard to believe you really think it is no better with McNabb.
It might be somewhat better with McNabb but it still stinks. I heard a stat the other day that said we have the 3rd or 4th worst third down conversion percentage in the history of the NFL so far this season.
CanesSkins26 wrote:It might be somewhat better with McNabb but it still stinks. I heard a stat the other day that said we have the 3rd or 4th worst third down conversion percentage in the history of the NFL so far this season.
We certainly agree our O isn't very good. Those of us who support McNabb aren't going to win that argument until it's better no matter how much is or isn't him. So we'll see. The ones I think are silly are the ones who say McNabb isn't better then JC or the O isn't better this year then last. That isn't you. How much better is TBD.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't recall Mr "three and out" leading a team in an out and out drubbing as Mr 'Intangibles' has, allowing teams to set records in our house
That's because our D was good last year, it had nothing to do with the O. I can't speak for JC in Oakland, I've only seen snippets. But his numbers were way padded last year because of garbage time and when he did move the ball, he got it to the 20 and was shut down there. I find it hard to believe if you really watched the games last year and this year you think JC's inability to score points or score touchdowns inside the 20 is the same this year with McNabb. Our O needs a lot of work, but it's just not the utter futility it was last year. It's frankly very hard to believe you really think it is no better with McNabb.
You're cherry picking b/c that single line was part of a point. I never said McNabb's suckage is exactly equal to JC's suckage. I said they're not that much different.
And a few more stats, JC will have more (20:18)TDs and less (15:22)INTs last year than McNabb is on par for this year, even with McNabb's 4 TD garbage game last week. And that's giving McNabb 2 additional games b/c I'm just x2 on McNabb's stats for 9 games.
McNabb's not doing that much better. Actually, the defense gave up fewer points (31FG/34TD) last year than they're on par for this year (28FG/37TD even subtracting the EIGHT TDs they gave up during the Eagles debacle).
Botton line, we're not doing much better if at all depending on the category. Cherry pick THAT...
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VetSkinsFan wrote:You're cherry picking b/c that single line was part of a point. I never said McNabb's suckage is exactly equal to JC's suckage. I said they're not that much different.
And a few more stats, JC will have more (20:18)TDs and less (15:22)INTs last year than McNabb is on par for this year, even with McNabb's 4 TD garbage game last week. And that's giving McNabb 2 additional games b/c I'm just x2 on McNabb's stats for 9 games.
McNabb's not doing that much better. Actually, the defense gave up fewer points (31FG/34TD) last year than they're on par for this year (28FG/37TD even subtracting the EIGHT TDs they gave up during the Eagles debacle).
Botton line, we're not doing much better if at all depending on the category. Cherry pick THAT...
You cracked me up on the last line. But I said the D was better last year, so I was confused on your argument the D was better last year. In the Philly game last week, it was the D that fell apart. McNabb threw one butt ugly INT, but two were just completely on the receiver. He threw some nice deep balls as well. I'm not seeing what the D getting beaten like a red headed step child says at all about McNabb or the O and I don't see how that's "cherry picking."
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VetSkinsFan wrote:[And I don't recall Mr "three and out" leading a team in an out and out drubbing as Mr 'Intangibles' has, allowing teams to set records in our house.
Wasn't at our house, but this game was pretty ugly...
McNabb hasn't played well for the Redskins. But he brings an element of verticality (i.e., he actually can throw a deep ball) which JC never could.
