Jay Cutler

[KazooSkinsFan]

If you actually look for yourself, you might find that the answer is not to hard to find.

Stay classy Kazoo. You are one pathetic but funny guy!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...

I told you I did search and didn't find it. You searched and didn't either, so we're even there. Except you know it doesn't exist. Sorry, that's even too. Now you blow this out of your...posterior. What a lot of work you'll go to because you can't admit you were wrong...

[The Hogster]

If you actually look for yourself, you might find that the answer is not to hard to find.

Stay classy Kazoo. You are one pathetic but funny guy!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...

I told you I did search and didn't find it. You searched and didn't either, so we're even there. Except you know it doesn't exist. Sorry, that's even too. Now you blow this out of your...posterior. What a lot of work you'll go to because you can't admit you were wrong...

Of course, if you don't know it to be true, I must have made it all up. Stay classy Kazoo!!

[The Hogster]

If you actually look for yourself, you might find that the answer is not to hard to find.

Stay classy Kazoo. You are one pathetic but funny guy!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...

I told you I did search and didn't find it. You searched and didn't either, so we're even there. Except you know it doesn't exist. Sorry, that's even too. Now you blow this out of your...posterior. What a lot of work you'll go to because you can't admit you were wrong...

Of course. If you don't know it to be true, I must have made it all up. I'm sure you breezed through school!!

[KazooSkinsFan]

I told you I did search and didn't find it. You searched and didn't either, so we're even there. Except you know it doesn't exist. Sorry, that's even too. Now you blow this out of your...posterior. What a lot of work you'll go to because you can't admit you were wrong...

Of course. If you don't know it to be true, I must have made it all up. I'm sure you breezed through school!!

I wasn't a Wahoo, I went to schools that required work. Virginia Tech's a real school, you can't just make up whatever you want and tell anyone who challenges it to go find their own proof. We both know there isn't any proof that the Skins offered two firsts and two thirds for Cutler because we didn't. We both looked, I didn't find it. You looked and would have shoved it in my face if you did. That's have been fine with me if you were right, you just weren't and you won't man up to it. So I get your "brilliance" instead.

Here's a pretty specific claim:

In 2008, the Redskins under the direction of Vinny Cerrato OFFERED 2 FIRST ROUND Picks AND TWO THIRD ROUND PICKS for Jay Cutler

Here's a response from a lawyer who knows his client is guilty of making it up:

Adam Schefter, a Denver journalist who co-authored a book with Mike Shanahan, his report was wrong according to Kazoo. Jason LaCanfora, a DC based journalist to re-iterated this report in the pre-game lead-in on NFL Gameday, his report is wrong because Kazoo said so

No, I asked you to prove it's right with a link, not a line of BS. A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.

When lawyers spew this BS and marvel in their brilliance while everyone else think it's a spew of BS always make me wonder what the basis of their marvel is. Maybe it's the marvel of staring at their navel. Anyway, everyone's brilliant if you start with the assumption one is brilliant.

[SAP_Pete]

As for not even finding any mentioning of us offering two first round picks :
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

The key to the trade was Kyle Orton. Laugh if you want, but it's the absolute truth. McDaniels looked hard at tape of the available quarterbacks from teams that made serious offers, players like Orton, Washington's Jason Campbell and Tampa Bay's Luke McCown. Every one of those teams was in the ballpark with an offer of at least two first-round draft picks and a quarterback.

[Deadskins]

I'm not going to spend the time researching it, but if memory serves, the Bears' and Skins' offers were basically equal, but they chose the Bears' because they preferred Orton over Campbell. I know I was glad when they did. I made a comment at the time that the Bears had saved us from ourselves.

[KazooSkinsFan]

As for not even finding any mentioning of us offering two first round picks :
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

The key to the trade was Kyle Orton. Laugh if you want, but it's the absolute truth. McDaniels looked hard at tape of the available quarterbacks from teams that made serious offers, players like Orton, Washington's Jason Campbell and Tampa Bay's Luke McCown. Every one of those teams was in the ballpark with an offer of at least two first-round draft picks and a quarterback.

OK, but I'm not sure I consider a statement referring to several teams collectively by a Sports Illustrated columnist proof we'd actually offered two firsts and two thirds, the specific claim made.

[SAP_Pete]

As for not even finding any mentioning of us offering two first round picks :
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

The key to the trade was Kyle Orton. Laugh if you want, but it's the absolute truth. McDaniels looked hard at tape of the available quarterbacks from teams that made serious offers, players like Orton, Washington's Jason Campbell and Tampa Bay's Luke McCown. Every one of those teams was in the ballpark with an offer of at least two first-round draft picks and a quarterback.

OK, but I'm not sure I consider a statement referring to several teams collectively by a Sports Illustrated columnist proof we'd actually offered two firsts and two thirds, the specific claim made.

You specifically said there wasn't any quote that they offered even just two first round pics. I provided a quote, so whatever.

[KazooSkinsFan]

As for not even finding any mentioning of us offering two first round picks :
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

The key to the trade was Kyle Orton. Laugh if you want, but it's the absolute truth. McDaniels looked hard at tape of the available quarterbacks from teams that made serious offers, players like Orton, Washington's Jason Campbell and Tampa Bay's Luke McCown. Every one of those teams was in the ballpark with an offer of at least two first-round draft picks and a quarterback.

You specifically said there wasn't any quote that they offered even just two first round pics. I provided a quote, so whatever.

I said none of the three links Hogster presented had one. I didn't say there wasn't a quote on the entire Internet that had one. I wanted a quote so I could evaluate the credibility. This one isn't without credibility but it's nothing resembling proof. It said we were one of several teams that made similar offers. But didn't say what the statement was based on or if they're assuming it because we were in the discussion and it still didn't support his assertion we offered two ones and two threes. But you can't show any quote from me that says I said there is no quote anywhere, just none in his links.

Which BTW cracked me up. He researched and presented three links. When I pointed out none supported his assertion at all, he said the problem is I'm lazy and I won't go prove his assertions. After he had obviously researched and told us that by presenting links and he couldn't find them himself. Hogster's a hoot, you gotta love him...

[langleyparkjoe]

Jay Cutler? I cut him from my squad, that's how important that guy is

[The Hogster]

As for not even finding any mentioning of us offering two first round picks :
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

The key to the trade was Kyle Orton. Laugh if you want, but it's the absolute truth. McDaniels looked hard at tape of the available quarterbacks from teams that made serious offers, players like Orton, Washington's Jason Campbell and Tampa Bay's Luke McCown. Every one of those teams was in the ballpark with an offer of at least two first-round draft picks and a quarterback.

You specifically said there wasn't any quote that they offered even just two first round pics. I provided a quote, so whatever.

I said none of the three links Hogster presented had one. I didn't say there wasn't a quote on the entire Internet that had one. I wanted a quote so I could evaluate the credibility. This one isn't without credibility but it's nothing resembling proof. It said we were one of several teams that made similar offers. But didn't say what the statement was based on or if they're assuming it because we were in the discussion and it still didn't support his assertion we offered two ones and two threes. But you can't show any quote from me that says I said there is no quote anywhere, just none in his links.

Which BTW cracked me up. He researched and presented three links. When I pointed out none supported his assertion at all, he said the problem is I'm lazy and I won't go prove his assertions. After he had obviously researched and told us that by presenting links and he couldn't find them himself. Hogster's a hoot, you gotta love him...

WOW. It's stunning how stubborn you are Kazoo. But, whatever. I live in Washington D.C. This has been reported and discussed on ESPN980 so much that I am astounded that you're even going to such lengths to refute it. But, whatever.

If you think I would make it all up (for what reason I really have no idea) then that's fine. At the end of the day, there is always the possibility that maybe you're wrong. I know that's tough for you to digest.

[KazooSkinsFan]

If you think I would make it all up (for what reason I really have no idea) then that's fine. At the end of the day, there is always the possibility that maybe you're wrong. I know that's tough for you to digest.

Frankly I don't even disbelieve they offered it, I just don't believe you know they did. I don't think you made it up, I'm sure you heard it. You just presented hyperbole as fact and made specific claims you obviously didn't know to be true. I wanted the quotes to look at the credibility. Then you searched and presented links that discussed the topic but didn't support your specific assertions. Then you wouldn't admit you couldn't find them, rather then admit it you called me lazy. We both searched and both didn't find them. Everything is on the Internet. It's "fact" that was on ESPN radio, but no where on the Internet so the quotes can be examined? That defies belief. The ability to admit being wrong is not "my" issue in this conversation...

[The Hogster]

Frankly I don't even disbelieve they offered it, I just don't believe you know they did. I don't think you made it up, I'm sure you heard it. You just presented hyperbole as fact and made specific claims you obviously didn't know to be true.

Herein lies the reason why you continue to embarrass yourself. You are way too concerned with proving someone wrong in an effort to appear as if you're right that you overlook obvious information en route to "discrediting" someone who is telling you the sky is blue.

I gave up doing your research for you. As the other poster pointed out, one of your prior "assertions" was disproven with the Sports Illustrated article. Yet, you'll continue howling at the moon and shifting your point in an effort to save face. It's not worth my time to present you with information you can locate on your own. Then you'll just attack the source despite all of the other circumstantial evidence that shows my statement to be likely even if you don't believe it or know it to be.

At the end of the day, I never asked you to prove me wrong although I could have. Why? Because I don't care what you think. And, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. It's tough to prove a negative, and you struggle with proving everything else, so let's just settle up and ignore each other for good. After I've gotten my laugh at your posts, the value in these discussions is non-existent.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Frankly I don't even disbelieve they offered it, I just don't believe you know they did. I don't think you made it up, I'm sure you heard it. You just presented hyperbole as fact and made specific claims you obviously didn't know to be true.

Herein lies the reason why you continue to embarrass yourself. You are way too concerned with proving someone wrong in an effort to appear as if you're right that you overlook obvious information en route to "discrediting" someone who is telling you the sky is blue.

I gave up doing your research for you. As the other poster pointed out, one of your prior "assertions" was disproven with the Sports Illustrated article. Yet, you'll continue howling at the moon and shifting your point in an effort to save face. It's not worth my time to present you with information you can locate on your own. Then you'll just attack the source despite all of the other circumstantial evidence that shows my statement to be likely even if you don't believe it or know it to be.

At the end of the day, I never asked you to prove me wrong although I could have. Why? Because I don't care what you think. And, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. It's tough to prove a negative, and you struggle with proving everything else, so let's just settle up and ignore each other for good. After I've gotten my laugh at your posts, the value in these discussions is non-existent.

I'm curious. How do you get your head through doorways?

[SAP_Pete]

At least there's always ad hominem to fall back on.

[Hoss]

Please refrain from personal attacks.

[1niksder]

[1niksder]

My bad... you guys wanted a link

[DarthMonk]

Hmm. Pretty funny that a good amount of people here wanted us to trade for this douche. 2 First Round Picks and 2 Third Round Picks would have been good for Cutler. But, what we gave up for McNabb was too much. Some people kill me. The bias and hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

You mock giving up 2 firsts, Orton plus a third when you went gave up a second and a third or fourth????

You are HYPOCRITES!!!!!!



What a clueless post

A clear reversal just occured. Hogster did not mock giving up a lot for Cutler. He mocked those who said giving up that much for Cutler was wise while those same people said we gave up too much for McNabb. I can see why it happened though. Hogter mocks sarcastically which can be mistaken for seriousness in his own position. But right before the sarcasm he calls Cutler a douche and right after he writes . Pretty clear.

Darthmonk

[DarthMonk]

My bad... you guys wanted a link

SCHWEET! Rhymes with tweet!

DarthMonk

[The Hogster]

My bad... you guys wanted a link

Now this is some good stuff 1niksder.

[The Hogster]

Hmm. Pretty funny that a good amount of people here wanted us to trade for this douche. 2 First Round Picks and 2 Third Round Picks would have been good for Cutler. But, what we gave up for McNabb was too much. Some people kill me. The bias and hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

You mock giving up 2 firsts, Orton plus a third when you went gave up a second and a third or fourth????

You are HYPOCRITES!!!!!!



What a clueless post

A clear reversal just occured. Hogster did not mock giving up a lot for Cutler. He mocked those who said giving up that much for Cutler was wise while those same people said we gave up too much for McNabb. I can see why it happened though. Hogter mocks sarcastically which can be mistaken for seriousness in his own position. But right before the sarcasm he calls Cutler a douche and right after he writes . Pretty clear.

Darthmonk

Thank you for explaining this DarthMonk.

[1niksder]

My bad... you guys wanted a link

Now this is some good stuff 1niksder.

But does it prove two first rounders and two thirds are more than a second and a 3rd/4th?

[The Hogster]

But does it prove two first rounders and two thirds are more than a second and a 3rd/4th?

You would think so, but then again I've seen stranger things happen.

Kazoo wrote: Dude, I know we negotiated for Cutler. None of those links say we offered two firsts and two thirds. None of them even say we offered two firsts. All your documentation on what I already know, that we tried to trade for him, doesn't make your specific claim true and I'm calling BS to that claim. No way Denver would have taken the Bears offer over ours if it was two firsts and two thirds from a Dan Snyder run team. No freaking way.

Really?

Kazoo wrote: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...

I told you I did search and didn't find it. You searched and didn't either, so we're even there. Except you know it doesn't exist. Sorry, that's even too. Now you blow this out of your...posterior. What a lot of work you'll go to because you can't admit you were wrong...

I mean, really?

Kazoo Wrote: Here's a response from a lawyer who knows his client is guilty of making it up:

The Hogster wrote:
Adam Schefter, a Denver journalist who co-authored a book with Mike Shanahan, his report was wrong according to Kazoo. Jason LaCanfora, a DC based journalist to re-iterated this report in the pre-game lead-in on NFL Gameday, his report is wrong because Kazoo said so

No, I asked you to prove it's right with a link, not a line of BS. A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.
When lawyers spew this BS and marvel in their brilliance while everyone else think it's a spew of BS always make me wonder what the basis of their marvel is. Maybe it's the marvel of staring at their navel. Anyway, everyone's brilliant if you start with the assumption one is brilliant.

C'mon man.

I find it hilarious that Kazoo always resorts to lawyer jokes. WTF

Thanks Kazoo. May this thread serve as a monument to How Not To Use The Internet & Make a Jack Of Yourself.

[SAP_Pete]