Post-game Thread: Skins Win over Bears

[Shabutie]

we are 4-3 and we are not a very good football team but we are now being managed and coached by guys that the players are responding to and how good is it to have a chance at winning games where, for years we seemed to always fall short

McNabb is not playing great but he's what we need as a leader and he's going to be a really good mentor for the transition to the next QB

We are incredibly old and yet we find ways to be able to win games


it's amazing how many guys here are so critical of so man parts of what they are seeing but don't seem to want to believe in the possibility that they are seeing a group of players and coaches that are giving it all they've got and somehow finding a way to pull some of these games out

there were many here predicting stupid things this week and earlier this season because they have zero respect for players or coaches - get a life - look at the big picture - we were a terrible bunch and we still have a bunch of very old players and yet we have now won 4 games and there are 9 to go

we're not a consistently competitive team by any stretch but we all should be glad that Allen & Shanahan are in charge here AND that the coaches and players believe in themselves even though some of the fans here do not

we have won 4 games of 7 people -

GET A LIFE - try to be a little bit more positive about what's happening - some of you are a bunch of whiners

H A I L

No one said, "the players are coaches are not giving it their all." A lot of aspects of the team can improve a ton. You have said that yourself. We ARE a consistently competitive team and were for most of the games last year. "Get a life?" Are you 6 years old?

[Deadskins]

I'm not so sure challenging that fumble would have overturned the play. All the views I saw were pretty inconclusive. That would've blown both challenges and two time-outs in as many plays.

When you could see Cutler, you couldn't see the goal line because of the pile, and when you could see the goal line, you couldn't see Cutler because of Haynesworth. I'd say the Refs came back either confirmed or inconclusive.

I saw conclusive replays from both sidelines. It was a TD. I'm surprised the refs didn't call it such on the field. But then again the refs absoluely suck this season, and had a particularly bad day all around the NFL.

[Deadskins]

the Comcast Post Game staff was saying that Cutler did cross the end zone..........BUT we smartly snapped the ball before it could be challenged.

God, we took forever to get that play off. I was screaming "Hike it! Hike it!"

[BearSkins]

Hey, if you all don't want McNabb we'll take him, thanks very much!

Anyway, looking on the bright side, that is the first time in some time that Rex Grossman has been in Chicago and notthrown any picks.

[Deadskins]

We did not snap the ball all that quick. They were simply not going to challenge it and I have no idea why.

Don't get me wrong, I think it was a touchdown. But the reason not to challenge it is that it was close enough and dependent on the camera angle and had to be clear and convincing. They'd just lost another close one and if they lose this they have one TO left and no challenges. And we get the ball on the one foot line. Still, the 5 seconds McNabb dallied before he had them hike the ball seemed an eternity. I was yelling, hike it!!!!! Hike it!!!! How could he have not realized that?

Totally agree. But Lovie should not have challenged the first play. 1st and goal at the 1, whithout even having seen a replay is no time to challenge.

[BearSkins]

That was my first ever NFL game and although I found it exciting it was brutally ugly. Almost comical at times with all the mistakes on both sides. Whoever called out Lovie above is so right. Awful. Dreadful coach and condescendingly smug and arrogant with it.

Congrats to the Skins though. I was about to say the better team won but really, the less garbage team won.

You will always be our favorite Bears fan...

but, better you disappointed than us...

LOL. Well, I caught a sunburn at the game yesterday so I am a redskin today for sure...

[Deadskins]

McNabb would have looked a lot better if his receivers caught the balls that hit their hands.

He had his typical bad throws, and I agree that his age really shows on any plays involving mobility . . . but his passing was better today. I wouldn't go as far to say that we won "in spite" of him.

+1
But after the first half, he did slow down considerably, and drilled balls into the ground with regularity. On the one play where he scrambled to his right, he would have had the 1st down if he had not pulled up before deciding to run again.

[Deadskins]

He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback...

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

I agree with you about not bringing him up anymore, but he WAS a big part of why we were a JOKE of a franchise for the years he was QB.

[Irn-Bru]

He completed 53% of his passes,

How many drops were there?

2 drops that I recall. However, coming into this game we lead the NFL in FEWEST dropped passes

Couple of things:

(1) I can think of 3 drops off the top of my head (one each by ey, Moss, and Armstrong). Armstrong's drop was a sure touchdown. I'm fairly confident ey had more than one, but the one I'm thinking of killed an important drive. I'm pretty sure Sellers also had one, but I can't recall it well enough to assert it with confidence. There may have been another couple besides (my dad and I were talking about it as we watched the game, and so we noticed it more than the average fan otherwise might); however, I'm only confident enough to say that there were at least 3. Nevertheless, that's significant.

(2) I don't trust the stat you cite in fewest dropped passes. We've had quite a few this year. Maybe we lead the league, but official NFL stats won't tell you whether that's the case. I would trust a source like Football Outsiders, who do a good job tracking the stats the NFL either doesn't or (as in the case of drops) does very poorly.

My point isn't that McNabb's completion percentage would improve by leaps and bounds if we didn't have as many drops. My point is that he's had a good number of very good throws (again, in some cases sure touchdowns) dropped. Our receivers aren't very good. McNabb has played poorly at times, and never like an all-pro, but he's not as bad as you are making him out to be, IMO.

[frankcal20]

He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback... :roll:

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

I agree with you about not bringing him up anymore, but he WAS a big part of why we were a JOKE of a franchise for the years he was QB.

Sure. He is taller than Vinny and Danny but they were the reason. He was just a byproduct along with Thomas, Kelly, Trung, B. Smith, Deon, and I can go on, and on and on and on.

[Deadskins]

He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback...

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

I agree with you about not bringing him up anymore, but he WAS a big part of why we were a JOKE of a franchise for the years he was QB.

Sure. He is taller than Vinny and Danny but they were the reason. He was just a byproduct along with Thomas, Kelly, Trung, B. Smith, Deon, and I can go on, and on and on and on.

True, but the QB position is the most important on the field, and so it trumps all others when it comes to wins and losses.

[CanesSkins26]

McNabb has played poorly at times, and never like an all-pro, but he's not as bad as you are making him out to be, IMO.

He's near the bottom in just about every statistical category for a qb. He has been terrible for the most part this year. Yes, the receivers aren't that great, but there were plenty of occasions yesterday where he either didn't throw to the open receiver or flat out missed with his throws. Maybe he is more hurt than we know, maybe he is still adjusting to the new offense, but his overall body of work has been very poor so far this year. His leadership brings A LOT to the table but I thought that we were getting a much better qb when we traded two picks for him. I'm not expecting him to light the world on fire in our offense but he is simply missing too many plays right now. Hopefully he will get better.

[frankcal20]

He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback... :roll:

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

I agree with you about not bringing him up anymore, but he WAS a big part of why we were a JOKE of a franchise for the years he was QB.

Sure. He is taller than Vinny and Danny but they were the reason. He was just a byproduct along with Thomas, Kelly, Trung, B. Smith, Deon, and I can go on, and on and on and on.

True, but the QB position is the most important on the field, and so it trumps all others when it comes to wins and losses.

QB's can't control the player's that are on the field. If we had talent, they would still be on the team but look at how many players from the old regime have been let go this season. Wait until next year. More cuts coming.

[Deadskins]

He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback...

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

I agree with you about not bringing him up anymore, but he WAS a big part of why we were a JOKE of a franchise for the years he was QB.

Sure. He is taller than Vinny and Danny but they were the reason. He was just a byproduct along with Thomas, Kelly, Trung, B. Smith, Deon, and I can go on, and on and on and on.

True, but the QB position is the most important on the field, and so it trumps all others when it comes to wins and losses.

QB's can't control the player's that are on the field. If we had talent, they would still be on the team but look at how many players from the old regime have been let go this season. Wait until next year. More cuts coming.

Not that your post contradicts my point, but players aren't always cut because they lack talent.

[SKINFAN]

We won against a tough D. Our D once again came thru. I love it.

[markshark84]

He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback...

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

I agree with you about not bringing him up anymore, but he WAS a big part of why we were a JOKE of a franchise for the years he was QB.

Sure. He is taller than Vinny and Danny but they were the reason. He was just a byproduct along with Thomas, Kelly, Trung, B. Smith, Deon, and I can go on, and on and on and on.

True, but the QB position is the most important on the field, and so it trumps all others when it comes to wins and losses.

QB's can't control the player's that are on the field. If we had talent, they would still be on the team but look at how many players from the old regime have been let go this season. Wait until next year. More cuts coming.

Frank, deadskins is correct in what he is saying. A QB has the ability to make EVERYONE around him better. He also has the ability to make everyone around him worse. You can't just sit here and say that he needs talent until you are blue in the face. Look at what Bradford is doing in STL....

It is no secret that JC lacks the ability to get rid of the ball, has a crazy slow dropback, and lacks evasive lateral in-pocket scrambling skill. He makes his OL appear worse than they are because of the extra second or two it takes for him to get rid of the ball. Now to the typical fan, they think nothing of the 1-2 seconds and say the direct result is due to a poor OL -- but for people that understand, 1-2 seconds is an eternity in the pocket and isn't something that the OL should be held accountable for. I just wish that someone would come up with stats that provided us with a measurement of how long a QB holds the ball before making a downfield pass. I think that would be the most telling.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I like this defense. The defense has its weaknesses due to a few reasons but you can see how amazing it WILL be in the future once we get players that fit the scheme.

IMHO, the DEFENSE is responsible for EVERY win we have so far. I don't give a flying youknowhat about where they're ranked in total yardage.

I see a defense that is in the top 10 in POINTS ALLOWED. A LACK of points loses games. Who cares if they get 1000 yards against us and lose?!? Nobody with common sense. A W is a W.

[SkinsJock]

we are 4-3 and we are not a very good football team but we are now being managed and coached by guys that the players are responding to and how good is it to have a chance at winning games where, for years we seemed to always fall short

McNabb is not playing great but he's what we need as a leader and he's going to be a really good mentor for the transition to the next QB

We are incredibly old and yet we find ways to be able to win games


it's amazing how many guys here are so critical of so man parts of what they are seeing but don't seem to want to believe in the possibility that they are seeing a group of players and coaches that are giving it all they've got and somehow finding a way to pull some of these games out

there were many here predicting stupid things this week and earlier this season because they have zero respect for players or coaches - get a life - look at the big picture - we were a terrible bunch and we still have a bunch of very old players and yet we have now won 4 games and there are 9 to go

we're not a consistently competitive team by any stretch but we all should be glad that Allen & Shanahan are in charge here AND that the coaches and players believe in themselves even though some of the fans here do not

we have won 4 games of 7 people -

GET A LIFE - try to be a little bit more positive about what's happening - some of you are a bunch of whiners

H A I L

No one said, "the players are coaches are not giving it their all." A lot of aspects of the team can improve a ton. You have said that yourself. We ARE a consistently competitive team and were for most of the games last year. "Get a life?" Are you 6 years old?

I am 6 years old - how did you know that?

We are NOT consistently competitive - we are getting better - we were NOT even close to being anything good last year AT ALL - are you kidding me - that is not even debatable

the guys I'm tired of here are NOT those that are looking for improvement OR those that are concerned about areas of concern

I'm having a go at fans here that are predicting that we are going to be the worst defense in history and just generally bashing the players and coaches

to jokingly predict things is one thing but to state that our defense is going to give up 400 yards to a QB like Cutler is asinine

[langleyparkjoe]

I like this defense. The defense has its weaknesses due to a few reasons but you can see how amazing it WILL be in the future once we get players that fit the scheme.

IMHO, the DEFENSE is responsible for EVERY win we have so far. I don't give a flying youknowhat about where they're ranked in total yardage.

I see a defense that is in the top 10 in POINTS ALLOWED. A LACK of points loses games. Who cares if they get 1000 yards against us and lose?!? Nobody with common sense. A W is a W.

[Deadskins]

We are NOT consistently competitive

How so? Last time I checked, 6 out of 7 of our games have gone down to the wire. That sounds both consistent and competitive to me.

[SkinsJock]

I like this defense. The defense has its weaknesses due to a few reasons but you can see how amazing it WILL be in the future once we get players that fit the scheme.

IMHO, the DEFENSE is responsible for EVERY win we have so far. I don't give a flying youknowhat about where they're ranked in total yardage.

I see a defense that is in the top 10 in POINTS ALLOWED. A LACK of points loses games. Who cares if they get 1000 yards against us and lose?!? Nobody with common sense. A W is a W.

welcome to the club - I understand that we have some issues defensively but it looks to me like we have a much better chance at having a defense that can help a lot than we do on the offensive side of the ball

Everything is better this year but we have a lot more issues on offense and this defense is going to be good and I think could be really good very soon

[SkinsJock]

sorry mate - I think you'll see over the course of the season that we are not able to play with other clubs on a consistent basis because we are just too old at too many positions

I think we are getting there but we have a lot of issues offensively and still some on defense as well - the defense, I think is a lot closer than the offense but not quite on the same page yet

you can think it's all going really well but I still think that this group is a good 8-8 or 9-7 club and that we'll be a lot more consistent next season

[Deadskins]

you can think it's all going really well

Where did I say that? I just pointed out that we were both competitive and consistent, especially when you consider the teams we have played so far.

[CanesSkins26]

I like this defense. The defense has its weaknesses due to a few reasons but you can see how amazing it WILL be in the future once we get players that fit the scheme.

The scheme yesterday was a lot more 4-3 than we have been running in other games. Haslett looks like he is finally making some adjustments.

[Shabutie]

we are 4-3 and we are not a very good football team but we are now being managed and coached by guys that the players are responding to and how good is it to have a chance at winning games where, for years we seemed to always fall short

McNabb is not playing great but he's what we need as a leader and he's going to be a really good mentor for the transition to the next QB

We are incredibly old and yet we find ways to be able to win games


it's amazing how many guys here are so critical of so man parts of what they are seeing but don't seem to want to believe in the possibility that they are seeing a group of players and coaches that are giving it all they've got and somehow finding a way to pull some of these games out

there were many here predicting stupid things this week and earlier this season because they have zero respect for players or coaches - get a life - look at the big picture - we were a terrible bunch and we still have a bunch of very old players and yet we have now won 4 games and there are 9 to go

we're not a consistently competitive team by any stretch but we all should be glad that Allen & Shanahan are in charge here AND that the coaches and players believe in themselves even though some of the fans here do not

we have won 4 games of 7 people -

GET A LIFE - try to be a little bit more positive about what's happening - some of you are a bunch of whiners

H A I L

No one said, "the players are coaches are not giving it their all." A lot of aspects of the team can improve a ton. You have said that yourself. We ARE a consistently competitive team and were for most of the games last year. "Get a life?" Are you 6 years old?

I am 6 years old - how did you know that?

We are NOT consistently competitive - we are getting better - we were NOT even close to being anything good last year AT ALL - are you kidding me - that is not even debatable

the guys I'm tired of here are NOT those that are looking for improvement OR those that are concerned about areas of concern

I'm having a go at fans here that are predicting that we are going to be the worst defense in history and just generally bashing the players and coaches

to jokingly predict things is one thing but to state that our defense is going to give up 400 yards to a QB like Cutler is asinine

Do you know what the word "competitive" means? I know we were not good at all. You said the team is not competitive. Last year we lost games by 6, 5, 3, 8, 10, 1, 3, 3 (OT), and 3 points. Only three games where we were soundly beaten. What you said is extremely debatable and is actually untrue. This year we have been competitive in every game. Again, I will have to question your understanding of the word itself.