Haynesworth

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:42 pm

SkinsJock wrote:who cares about the media - Haynesworth has not lived up to what he said he would do

Who cares about the media? I do, because I have to read all the BS that the generate from fans that post on this site. So What Haynesworth stole a bunch of money from a guy that has been ripping of the fans since he brought the team. I care about the fans that believe this BS and take it as the truth. AH isn't upset about the scheme change or the anything else being reported he's upset because the people in charge are going to make him earn his money.

SkinsJock wrote:he's not just another player on the defense - this is a guy that claims to be very good - why are we not seeing that?

Actually he is just another player and with "the Danny" out of the loop that's just how he is being treated, Clinton Portis was the only "diva" on the team when Mike took over and was the only player that knew anything about how he ran his program. CP was here for all the OTAs (when has that ever happened in th past?), It's on Haynesworth for not picking up on that. Shanny said everybody was equal, so Al will always be playing catch up or he'll have to go through extra reps to close the gap.

SkinsJock wrote:Is Shanahan lying to us about Haynesworth not being in good enough shape to start

Shanahan didn't say he wasn't in good enough shape to start he said he's not in football shape... that's why he played with third stringers in the pre-season. When Albert complained about playing during the third quarter in week three Shanny had no comment, in the final Jim Zorn would have more than likely pulled him after the first quarter.... Mike played him the whole game, it didn't matter how he played Shanny kept him out there. After the game Al had "no comment". That's a head coach teaching a player his way of doing things and a player learning what the coach expects.

SkinsJock wrote:Is it Shanahan's fault that Haynesworth is not able to be the quality defensive lineman that we have given him money for?

Why does the money keep coming up? he was the highest paid defensive player in the NFL just like AA signed the highest contract for a safety a few years ago... the media printed it and everyone believe it neither was the truth... Al's contract prevents him from actually being a member of the team after the fourth year, he knew this when he signed the deal so he'll make $48 Mil over 4 years, that's $12 mil a year. I can come up with 10 players making more than that without even thinking about it. It's not the money, he had a option to get paid and be here or get paid somewhere else he took option C and has to deal with it. He should have talked to Clinton before taking the money but didn't , so he went into te off season thinking it would Shanahan's way or the highway, when he finally showed up he found out it was Shanahan's way or Shanahan's wayand wondered where the highway went to. Shanny doesn't really care what a player has done or how good that player may think he is. Missing OTAs cause Al to realize this just a bit too late.

SkinsJock wrote:what is it about this fat man that makes some want to defend him

Not sure who's defending him or why they would so I can't answer that one

SkinsJock wrote:can you not see that he's not trying to be the best he can be - he's a lazy fat slob

This is where you are missing the point... he doesn't have to be the best he can be, he just has to be what the staff wants him to be and do it when the staff wants him to do it.

It's not about Albert Haynesworth it's about the Washington Redskins, the soon the media realizes this and moves on the sooner they can find real stories to write about

Hooligan wrote:
1niksder wrote:There is no one on this site that wouldn't have signed that deal that AH signed. AH can't be blamed for what he did... who on this site would keep working if they hit a $100 million jackpot? Not many, in fact most would take the cash payout (about 1/2 the total payout) and call it a day, that's what Al did and we blame him even though quitting his job ain't a option for him and his boss won't fire him.

Ah, but how many of us are already filthy-rich multi-millionaires before this happens? There's the difference that makes Fat Al that big of a douche. He could have retired to his mansion and tooled around on his yacht every day until he died. Instead, he decided to steal another $20m.

He didn't get much last year compared to what he had coming last year so that wasn't as option, 2010 was his payday he just didn't know that the Redskins would actually go out and hire football people to run the football team

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:59 pm

It's nice, having the luxury of breaking down the play of our highest-paid defensive player, the day after a victory against TTiT. Wish I had the opportunity more often...say, twice a season, every year? That'd be nice. Since I can't count on it, I'll take this opportunity, as presented. Haynesworth was on the roster and played sparingly in a win against Dallas. His presence had little or no impact on the outcome of the game. Should he decide that this is good enough for him, the team has proven that it can win without him. The onus is on him to show that his presence could matter one way or the other in this defense. If he's not interested, hey. He's not exactly driving up his worth as trade bait.
Look. I know it's pretty basic of me, but we just beat Dallas. Forgive my wanting to enjoy it for a day or two before returning to the stuff that really didn't factor in on Sunday night. HTTR

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(Edited for punctuation)

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:01 am

I think some of you decided ahead of time what to think about Haynesworth's performance last night and are making your comments based on that. How much would you expect someone to play given the exact amount of preseason work that Haynesworth had? Yeah, exactly... they'd play some of the time, but not start and not play most of the downs. And the rest of the posts about what he was thinking or what Shanny and the players are thinking are just completely full of crap. You have no idea what any of them are thinking.

SAP_Pete · Post by **SAP_Pete** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:00 am

cvillehog wrote:I think some of you decided ahead of time what to think about Haynesworth's performance last night and are making your comments based on that. How much would you expect someone to play given the exact amount of preseason work that Haynesworth had? Yeah, exactly... they'd play some of the time, but not start and not play most of the downs. And the rest of the posts about what he was thinking or what Shanny and the players are thinking are just completely full of crap. You have no idea what any of them are thinking.

I would have loved for AH to destroy Romo. What I saw was somebody trying to mail it in. No emotions, no aggressiveness, no line penetration. The highest paid player on the team doesn't feel the need to get all the training sessions in he can, although under new coaches, new scheme, new position, and can't even show up physically fit. That he had to play more pre-season due to his conditioning and attitude is his own damn fault, so spare me the excuses.

Crap or not, it's pretty obvious what his teammates must be thinking. That's beyond the point, though. Fat Al doesn't want to be there. Skipping all optional training sessions and then complaining he's not comfortable playing NT is just a lame excuse. I wish we had somebody with half the ability put twice the motivation to stick in there.

Bucket · Post by **Bucket** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:07 am

I tohught portis had a decent game.... He wasn't Arian Foster or Chris Johnson this week, but he di alot of things for our team Sunday Night..

He picked up 3 key blocks that I saw agaisnt the blitz..

18 carries for 63 yards/3.5 YPC.

I mean it's keeping the defens honest still, and we may not be gapping the Cowboys defense in game one, but I don't see why we wont have success in the future

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:28 am

Haynesworthless is nothing but a big cry baby! He needs to go!!!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:12 am

I understand where 1niksder is coming from about the media and the reports - the media BS is legend here and has been for a while

I am just frustrated with this player and probably moreso because I wanted him to be the player and help the Redskins defense that he both said he would do when he first came here and then when he said he would come to camp this year in better shape by working out on his own

now those 2 statements were "reported" but I think they were pretty close to what was actually said by Haynesworth - I just do not think that he has really tried to be that player OR prepared hard enough to be that player - that's my opinion

I am just very disapointed in what sort of effort this guy has made on the practice field and during the last 17 games with this franchise

he's not a bad player but in my opinion he's let this franchise down, he's let himself down and I think he's let this new head coach down

I think it's great that we just beat ttiT but this thread is not about that great win - this thread is about this fat slob that is not making much of an effort to be anything special here after telling everyone that he would

I agree - we're probably a better defense without him BUT we could have been a lot better defense IF he'd just wake up and do WHATEVER his coaches need him to do to the best of his ability

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:29 am

I prefer football to soap operas, so I tend to ignore most of the crap spewed out there. I think that both sides are at least partially guilty. Big Al is a diva for sure, but I don't think things are being done to get the most out of him. And no one can deny that when big Al's motivated, he's a unique and powerful force to deal with on the field.

Bottom line, isn't that what this sport is about, the 60 minutes on the field? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:51 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:I prefer football to soap operas, so I tend to ignore most of the crap spewed out there. I think that both sides are at least partially guilty. Big Al is a diva for sure, but I don't think things are being done to get the most out of him. And no one can deny that when big Al's motivated, he's a unique and powerful force to deal with on the field.

Bottom line, isn't that what this sport is about, the 60 minutes on the field? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

But Vet, (whine) he has to be punished for putting us all in this position (whine). Why can't we just cut this fat slob (whimper)? After all, he did this to himself (moan). It's just not fair (whine) that coach is letting him play. :cry:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:56 am

1niksder wrote:There was room for Tony Homo to step up in the pocket and throw the ball somewhere else probably to a player in a burgundy jersey considering Rak wasn't the only one applying pressure on that play but we can't assume that Rak would have gotten a sack on the last play of the game when he didn't have one all game

It was just my read on the re-play. He'd beaten his guy badly and was dragged from behind. Homo's arm was down and it appeared to me that he'd have cleaned his clock. But yes, it is a judgment call.

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:27 am

Guys - the Redskins won the game.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:19 pm

With Kris Jenkins out for the year with an acl tear.....are the jets desperate enough to trade for al?they have a multitude of receivers an santonio waiting in the wings. Cotchery? Braylon?

They seem to be desperate to win now. Only problem is it is another 3-4. Rex might think he can tame al.

Httr

northcarolinaredskin · Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:31 pm

haynesworthless could fit in well in NY for rex even though it is a 3-4, i would love to get a reciever from them even if it is no-hands braylon

Jeremy81 · Post by **Jeremy81** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:45 pm

northcarolinaredskin wrote:haynesworthless could fit in well in NY for rex even though it is a 3-4, i would love to get a reciever from them even if it is no-hands braylon

i'd rather get a draft pick

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:58 pm

cleg wrote:Guys - the Redskins won the game.

I think that some may have forgot that...

The press as been all over the non story in NY today so the AH trade front is taking a back seat at this moment. It's still out there and there's still nothing to it.

Now the headline is Haynesworth trade market could heat up, again.

This is a could place to start.
Is this News? Not only is it not news it ain't even new.

"trade market could heat up" this could be said about any player in th NFL that isn't starting for their team, so why does AH get the honor?

This breaking news need not be read past the 1st few sentences....

With one game in the books and another one six days away, the Redskins reportedly may once again explore the possibility of trading defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, according to Chris Mortensen of ESPN.

OK this time we have a name.... Chris Mortensen, He said something that lead to the team reportedly (does this mean CM is reporting a trade in the works?) may (wouldn't it be just as easy to put "may not" here and be just as accurate) explore the possibility (now there's a phase that's straight to the point). This will be out there all week for no reason at all.
But just to be proactive instead of reactive, here's what Mort reported (if you can call it a report) the Redskins "could try" to trade Haynesworth through Tuesday,
Sooooo..... "could try" means may (or may not) explore the possibility.

Mort's not a full time slacker but it made me wonder, shouldn't it have been "could try again" or "could again try"? Unless this could possibly be the first attempt at exploring this matter.

The price had been a second-round draft pick; Mort believes that the Redskins may take less than that. He says that Haynesworth hasn't learned the Redskins' 3-4 defense and that he doesn't care to learn it.

I thought it was a 2nd plus another pick last week :roll:

now it might be less than a #2? Why because he "hasn't learned the Redskins' 3-4 defense and that he doesn't care to learn it" ?
Did the Redskins not know this when they reportedly asked for 2 picks after being contacted last week by a team that says they didn't contact them. Did anyone bother to listen to Shanny when he spoke about AH and said “he played hard. He’s getting more comfortable with the 3-4 scheme.”
Mort didn't quote anyone show as this new shot at making news gets a head of steam remember I quoted Shanny, they'll be quoting twitter, WaPo-RI and JLC who are all quoting Mort. Mort isn't quoting anyone he simply said they "could try"

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:42 pm

Deadskins wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:I prefer football to soap operas, so I tend to ignore most of the crap spewed out there. I think that both sides are at least partially guilty. Big Al is a diva for sure, but I don't think things are being done to get the most out of him. And no one can deny that when big Al's motivated, he's a unique and powerful force to deal with on the field.

Bottom line, isn't that what this sport is about, the 60 minutes on the field? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

But Vet, (whine) he has to be punished for putting us all in this position (whine). Why can't we just cut this fat slob (whimper)? After all, he did this to himself (moan). It's just not fair (whine) that coach is letting him play.

yeah Vet - give the guy a break - he's doing the best he can - what did you expect from this guy? has he ever, I mean EVER done anything here in the last 18 months to show you that he was going to be anywhere close to what you expected when you brought him in here and paid him all that money

are you crazy - this guy is just doing what he's always done and it should not surprise anyone

he'a slob and he's a loser :lol:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:54 pm

I'm very glad that Shanahan and Allen are in charge here right now because despite all the rumors and hints we are getting these guys are not letting this fat slob go anywhere without this franchise getting something decent for him - despite all the rumors and reports to the contrary these guys are 'playing' this guy very well

a part of me hopes Haynesworth stays and suffers here because that is what he seems to want but another part of me wants to get a great deal for him and have him not be here

Fat Al deserves ALL the bad things that can happen to a player that thinks he's not been treated fairly after he's been paid a lot more money than he's worth
I am looking forward to seeing a lot of bad things happen to this guy - as the saying goes "He's earned it" big time

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:47 pm

cleg wrote:Guys - the Redskins won the game.

Doesn't matter, people are thirsting for blood. It's pitiful.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:41 am

I'm glad we won the game - this is about Haynesworth :lol:

HOPEFULLY he helps the defense here AND himself and gets it into gear SOON

I really liked a lot of things we saw from the defense and hope he can be more of a help - NOT that he did not help - just that he's considered by many to be one of the best DTs in the NFL right now and he's just playing well - NOT NEARLY as well as he's able to, IMO

I agree about the rumors and innuendo - I just think he can play better and be in better shape

MAYBE we're all wrong about this fat slob and he's lost a step or two :lol:

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:46 pm

He may not have been highly effective, but that doesn't mean he didn't hustle. I saw him chasing plays all the way over to the sideline.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:59 pm

cvillehog wrote:He may not have been highly effective, but that doesn't mean he didn't hustle. I saw him chasing plays all the way over to the sideline.

I hear you and as I said my only thing is that what we saw was IMO good but not as good as he can be - He's regarded as one of the best in the NFL but we are not seeing that level yet - He said he would be ready to play but Shanahan and Allen think he's not ready to start yet

Fact is we are 1-0 with him - this is great and hopefully the practice this week brings him along a little further

Whatever we get from him this season I could care less (EVEN if he gets no sacks at all) as long as the other teams in the NFL that want to trade for him think he's worth at least a 2nd round pick

He's not playing here next year and I'm hoping we get something for the fat slob

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:45 pm

Can anyone name any Redskins D-lineman that brought their "A game" Sunday night?

I can't either

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:00 pm

1niksder wrote:Can anyone name any Redskins D-lineman that brought their "A game" Sunday night?

I can't either

I think with the 3-4, and with no real nose tackle, that might end up being the case all season. We will need our LBs — especially our outsides LBs — to step up.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:09 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
1niksder wrote:Can anyone name any Redskins D-lineman that brought their "A game" Sunday night?

I can't either

I think with the 3-4, and with no real nose tackle, that might end up being the case all season. We will need our LBs — especially our outsides LBs — to step up.

I agree, but I think that's actually the plan...