frankcal20 wrote:he was just pissed he was out there. So I think he was playing half a$$'d.
I think you hit the nail on the head there! He's an overgrown, spoiled teenager in a man's body with 20 Mil in the bank. That's a really bad combination, but I think big Shanny is going to whip big daddy into shape or he's going to be picking splinters out of his behind.
I wouldn't have him on the sideline. I would have him at home or on another team. At some point, you've got to cut your losses. He's a loss. He's from the old regime and him being here just tells me that Dan Snyder still has a 'say-so" in what goes on here still. Hope that changes soon.
frankcal20 wrote:Via Granth Paulsen standouts: Anthony Armstrong (4cat,82yds), Santana Moss (4cat,79yds), Laron Landry (8 tackles, no glaring missed tackles). Strugglers: Larry Johnson (8att,4yds), Donovan McNabb (11x26 w/ INT and another dropped INT), Rex Grossman (3 turnovers).
I would ad Trent Williams, Gano, and Fred Davis to the list of strugglers. ey and Moss could also be there for their bad drops. Rogers also dropped an INT so he probably belongs there too. Heck, both lines probably belong on the list as well.
CP I thought looked good in limited action, showing a burst that LJ was clearly missing. Keiland Williams did a nice job catching the ball out of the backfield. Robert Henson played well with the second string. Bidwell punted well.
And the good news is Armstrong and Banks ... these kids look like they could become serious offensive threats ... so while Thomas and Kelly are disappointing, there are others stepping up.
Banks WILL NOT be playing offense for this team this season. He is just too small. Armstrong, on the other hand, looks really good so far.
frankcal20 wrote:I wouldn't have him on the sideline. I would have him at home or on another team. At some point, you've got to cut your losses. He's a loss. He's from the old regime and him being here just tells me that Dan Snyder still has a 'say-so" in what goes on here still. Hope that changes soon.
I don't know that Snyder necessarily has anything to do with it. I think that Shanny really wants this guy to be the disruptive force that he's been in the past.
At this point in the game though, I've got to agree with you. We should cut our losses and trade his butt. Heck, if no one will trade anything for him then cut him. He's not worth the aggravation. Just a big baby!
I was completely opposed to this clown when we first signed him to his monster contract and I've only grown to dislike him more. I'm getting to the point where I don't cheer for him even when he does something good.
frankcal20 wrote:Trent was playing his 2nd game in the NFL against one of the best pass rushers in the game.
True. He still played poorly though. He'll go through growing pains and tonight was one of those nights for him. Hicks and Dockery both talked about his struggles in post-game.
Moss had 4/79 and found the open zone on some very good pass plays. He had one drop but Landry (the other one) delivered a hell of a hit.
He made some very nice plays, but that's a catch that he has to make, especially on 3rd down to keep a drive alive.
Rogers was in position but the WR made the play. I'm not holding that against him. Last year - that was a TD.
He got both hands on the ball and should have made the catch. He had great coverage on the play though. But he has to start turning some of these plays into turnovers for our D to become an elite unit.
I knew it looked like Fat Albert was coasting and just putting minimal effort in. Now we know why. Even Theismann noticed it. He said everyone is in motion, at full speed except Haynesworth. He looked like he wasn't even trying. Only reason he got a sack was because the qb ran right into him.
Time to cut your losses and just get rid of this guy. I would never want him in my locker room.
On a positive note, I liked the way Armstrong stepped up. He caught everything thrown his way. Thomas dropping passes doesn't help his case when Armstrong is catching everything. I was really, really disappointed by the way Johnson played. He was horrible.
I know a lot of guys on here are pissed or disappointed in Fat Al but here's the reality of the situation:
It was a bad move to bring him in for that much money yes, but he is not getting cut, he will not be traded, and he will not be happy, ever. Shanahan also has a hand in this. I say let the guy do whatever it takes at this point to get max effort. If he's not trying then he's worthless out there. So compromise with him, make it work, do something. If Haynesworth came to the coach and said "I want to play one down a series and I will give 100%" Well then guess what, that may be the thing to do. Getting rid of him at this point is not an option.
ATX_Skins wrote:I know a lot of guys on here are pissed or disappointed in Fat Al but here's the reality of the situation:
It was a bad move to bring him in for that much money yes, but he is not getting cut, he will not be traded, and he will not be happy, ever. Shanahan also has a hand in this. I say let the guy do whatever it takes at this point to get max effort. If he's not trying then he's worthless out there. So compromise with him, make it work, do something. If Haynesworth came to the coach and said "I want to play one down a series and I will give 100%" Well then guess what, that may be the thing to do. Getting rid of him at this point is not an option.
You're right, it's not an option. If putting him in with the starters is the only way to make this baby happy, DO IT!!! The defensive line is better with him in there and NO ONE can argue that. I'm sick of losing and if he makes the Skins' D even 5% better than it's time to put the guy in there and roll!. He'll eventually be starting sometime anyway so just do it already. He is unblockable when he actually plays. Again, he is NOT going to get cut so Shanahan needs to suck up his pride, and tell Fat Albert that it's time to get down and dirty. This is all in Shanhan's hands now. Winning solves a lot of things and if they start winning with him in there than none of those players are going to care how he got that job.
You understand that he was getting beat by 2nd and 3rd string lineman yesterday right?
You can't give in. If you do, then as a coach you lose all credibility. These guys (defense) would much rather have Albert sitting at home than be on the field with them. If you couldn't tell, he disgust them. He disgusts me and I'm sure if you like him, you're in the minority. You can't back down.
As far as Fat Al is concerned, I hope that Shanahan continues to do whatever he thinks is best for the franchise and the defense
I also hope he does not give in or try to placate this fat slob in any way - this guy took the money and now he does not seem to want to make an effort to be as good a player as he can be
I think that Shanahan and Haslett know a lot more about how to handle players than Fat Al knows about how to get ready to play this game during the offseason OR how to play defense - why should they listen or talk to him - he doesn't know anything
I certainly do not think that Snyder has anything to do with the players like he used to here
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
frankcal20 wrote:You understand that he was getting beat by 2nd and 3rd string lineman yesterday right?
You can't give in. If you do, then as a coach you lose all credibility. These guys (defense) would much rather have Albert sitting at home than be on the field with them. If you couldn't tell, he disgust them. He disgusts me and I'm sure if you like him, you're in the minority. You can't back down.
No No... I don't like him. Just frustrated is all.
Theismann on Moss: "He's like Chris Carter, but 6 inches shorter. Great Hands"
He did play well though, they seem to be utilizing his speed in the middle, which will help against blitzing teams.
As far as Johnson goes, missed a catch and a block, but as far as the run goes, there was a linemen literally on the ground every time he ran the ball. I would go by what he is doing in practice rather than this game.
Theismann on Moss: "He's like Chris Carter, but 6 inches shorter. Great Hands"
He did play well though, they seem to be utilizing his speed in the middle, which will help against blitzing teams.
As far as Johnson goes, missed a catch and a block, but as far as the run goes, there was a linemen literally on the ground every time he ran the ball. I would go by what he is doing in practice rather than this game.
During post game they went through a number of his running plays. The holes were there, he just didn't have the burst to get through them before they closed. LJ is done.
Theismann on Moss: "He's like Chris Carter, but 6 inches shorter. Great Hands"
He did play well though, they seem to be utilizing his speed in the middle, which will help against blitzing teams.
As far as Johnson goes, missed a catch and a block, but as far as the run goes, there was a linemen literally on the ground every time he ran the ball. I would go by what he is doing in practice rather than this game.
During post game they went through a number of his running plays. The holes were there, he just didn't have the burst to get through them before they closed. LJ is done.
Yea, he's probably not going to be fast enough to run behind these interior linemen. Especially not against the Ravens. There was one play where he had no shot of even getting out of the backfield.
Now that I got a chance to break down some film...this becomes a different game. If you have to listen to sonny and sam bumble all over themselves, you dont get a real feel for the game.
Landry is a force in the run game. you can tell he loves playing in the box. That is what suits him best that is what his mentality is built for.
Mcnabb looks good on the run. like what he is doing down the field. I think we all agree we would rather see some balls go down the field than the two runs and incomplete pass on 3rd and 5.
Devin Thomas is a body catcher and hes gonna have a few bounce out of his forearm grasp technique.
Armstrong has an ability to make plays. takes advantage of opportunities. Lets invest in him over a burnt out galloway.
Defense is soft against the run. It showed up with buffalo as well. very few no gain or loss of yard run plays. However I think this unit has a huge upside. Our best players are orakpo, london, and landry. Shanny's got to continue to work with albert and get him on board. He will mke the difference we need with that unit.
Special Teams have been amazing. Ofcourse minus fake punt.
good punt coverage. kickoffs are now touchbacks. and Barandon Banks is electric.
frankcal20 wrote:Orakpo said this is a good thing. This was a reality check matched up against a year in year out playoff team.
He said, "Don't worry about our D because we're no where near opening our bag of tricks and I can see how once we do, we're going to wreak havoc."
Great thought.
See, I don't buy that. You should still be able to generate some pressure on a qb out of your base package. The Ravens were able to do it, we weren't. It's still only preseason, but the first team didn't look good on either side of the ball.
So, there it is. The sky is falling.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
frankcal20 wrote:Orakpo said this is a good thing. This was a reality check matched up against a year in year out playoff team.
He said, "Don't worry about our D because we're no where near opening our bag of tricks and I can see how once we do, we're going to wreak havoc."
Great thought.
See, I don't buy that. You should still be able to generate some pressure on a qb out of your base package. The Ravens were able to do it, we weren't. It's still only preseason, but the first team didn't look good on either side of the ball.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
ey and Moss could also be there for their bad drops. Rogers also dropped an INT so he probably belongs there too. Heck, both lines probably belong on the list as well.
