Ed Reed is making a 'statement'

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:26 pm

are you kidding me - is this another player that thinks he's bigger than the game

http://nfl-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssp ... ines;other

c'mon man - I'm sorry, but this is the NFL and it ain't for long - this guy is now 32 - suck it up and play or get out :lol:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:04 pm

Wow... I always thought of Reed as class... maybe I was wrong.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:17 pm

The guy has been grossly underpaid for years... He deserves it. He should have been the highest paid safety years ago. MAYBE only second to Troy.

Is he bigger than the game? Nope. But he's intricate to the Ravens winning immediately which is what their squad is currently built for. They got the money, they're just cheap.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:06 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The guy has been grossly underpaid for years... He deserves it. He should have been the highest paid safety years ago. MAYBE only second to Troy.

That may be the case, but trying to pull this when you are old and not healthy isn't exactly a smart move. Reed is trying to get paid now for stuff he's done in the past, but no smart organization works like that. (No offense, the Washington Redskins :lol:

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Is he bigger than the game? Nope. But he's intricate to the Ravens winning immediately which is what their squad is currently built for. They got the money, they're just cheap.

This is why I don't have a problem with players who want to redo a deal even if it's only been one or two years since the last one they signed. It would be nice if teams could stick to some kind of honor system, but the reality is they are far more likely to screw over a player than a player is likely to screw over the team.

So I feel for Reed, but unfortunately he's really reaching at this stage in his career. (I don't think he considers himself above the game or the team, though.)

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:49 pm

I will admit that I also don't really think that Reed thinks he's bigger than the game - I just don't agree with how he's going about it

This guy has been a very good player and I think this should have been handled differently and a lot sooner

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:10 am

SkinsJock wrote:I will admit that I also don't really think that Reed thinks he's bigger than the game - I just don't agree with how he's going about it

This guy has been a very good player and I think this should have been handled differently and a lot sooner

He's tried to in the past and he put the team first. How many times does he need to get screwed b4 it's acceptable?

It's such a double standard.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:04 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I will admit that I also don't really think that Reed thinks he's bigger than the game - I just don't agree with how he's going about it

This guy has been a very good player and I think this should have been handled differently and a lot sooner

He's tried to in the past and he put the team first. How many times does he need to get screwed b4 it's acceptable?

It's such a double standard.

Usually I don't really side with players but CLL is right and its really starting to get aggravating.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:40 am

This guy is all world, and it's a shame that the ravens are so cheap. Should have taken care of him years ago when he first made the request. Because he shut up and played then, he is now screwed.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:43 pm

This is why I get irked with fans, you have a guy who put the team first and now he's getting screwed. The fans don't really give a darn. They call a player selfish, the fans are just as selfish. They act like they care about players putting a team first, all they care about is seeing the product on the field so they can enjoy it.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:38 pm

Actually, I think I'll use Ed Reed as an example in future debates where someone claims that players should put the team first, as though teams are likely to treat even their best players fairly later on. The NFL is a "get it now" league: etiquette and gentlemen's honor is long past, if it ever even was a factor.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:31 pm

Nothing new here - You guys are right in that in most instances the players get screwed - so, why does it keep on happening? The players have agents that take care of the business side of the game and these not very bright guys are up against some of the brightest guys in the NFL business - guess who comes out on top? :lol:

It's really easy - stop playing - if you think these GMs and owners are screwing you, stop playing - Let the owners find someone else to put on TV :lol:

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:38 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:Actually, I think I'll use Ed Reed as an example in future debates where someone claims that players should put the team first, as though teams are likely to treat even their best players fairly later on. The NFL is a "get it now" league: etiquette and gentlemen's honor is long past, if it ever even was a factor.

I doubt if it ever was. Certainly not in the days of George Preston Marshall.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:42 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:Actually, I think I'll use Ed Reed as an example in future debates where someone claims that players should put the team first, as though teams are likely to treat even their best players fairly later on. The NFL is a "get it now" league: etiquette and gentlemen's honor is long past, if it ever even was a factor.

sorry FFA - this is a Not For Long deal - It seems the players are screwed if they only get a short term contract AND then they cry poor mouth if they get a long term deal that looks bad after a great season - I wonder why that is?

The NFL owners have a huge deal from TV rights and the players are too greedy to try and get something equitable because they really only care about themselves - these guys need to figure it out well before it becomes a situation like Ed Reed is in with the Ravens

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:31 am

7 mil base? I wish someone would screw me like that!

Really, I'm not sure how Ed get's by with 7 mil a year, must be hard on the poor fellow.

Now doesn't that sound silly? Probably because it is. NFL player salaries have become insanely ridiculous, with rookie contracts like Bradford just signed more than double the entire 1991 Redskin Super Bowl roster salary.

When the NFL Salary cap was instituted in 1994, the figure was 34.6 Mil for each team, or an average of 650K/player.

And I remember the good ole days when the face value of a ticket at RFK was $15 (you can't even park for that now). And the reason it now costs a family of 4 half a week's pay just to attend a game now is because EVERYBODY wants to get paid a Million per game. THAT'S INSANE!

Ed Reed's salary is approximately $7,000 per play, or almost 1/2 Million per game. Now that might be lower than some others at his position, but only because most all of these salaries are so absurdly bloated, everyone seems to be loosing sight of any sense of reason.

Would it not strike you a bit gluttonous if everyone at the dinner table demanded 10 NY strips, 5 baked potatoes, and 4 salads EACH ? Or would they just be trying to get their fair share?

My heart is bleeding for him, as it does for all of the other players like "Fat 100 Million I don't want to play nose tackle Albert".

Maybe NFL tickets ought to be $1000 face value so these poor souls can get paid what they are actually worth?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:09 am

Thank you, Ray... it does seem that perspective does not exist when speaking of salaries in the NFL...

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:58 am

Countertrey wrote:Thank you, Ray... it does seem that perspective does not exist when speaking of salaries in the NFL...

No, it really doesn't seem to register that the ones really getting SCREWED are the fans that are paying these outrageous salaries by getting squeezed for $90 ticket, $25 parking, $6 hotdog and a $7 beer.

Apparently it makes sense for the masses out there who likely make less per year than the average player makes per game, yet has such sympathy for a player that makes ten times that amount and is still feeling mistreated.

Mass psychosis is the only explanation.

I still love football, and I now pay the equivalent to watch each game on NFL Sunday Ticket that I used to pay to attend games in the 1980's (playoff games were extra ) :lol:

And I'm generally a free market proponent , as well as antiestablishment sort, but I am growing weary of these spoiled brats complaining about their kings's ransom salaries in the midst of so many people suffering financial hardship in our declining economy.

I just think that a bunch of these guys need to work a 9-5 job for 50K a year, and I think it would take them a whole week to realize just how good they have it.

Ed Reed ... love ya ... you're a beast ... and an idiot ... retire, see ya!

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:42 pm

"The word I got was, 'We're comfortable with where we're at,'" Reed said. "Yes, you would be comfortable with the plays that I'm making on the field and paying me what you're paying me. ... There are six, seven players in front of me at my position [in terms of money] that I honestly wouldn't let hold my jock, and I don't even wear one.'"

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:46 pm

I have to side with Reed on this one. Reed does not have too many years left in the game. He needs to get his money now. I cant see a 35 year old saftey getting a fat contract.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:19 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:I have to side with Reed on this one. Reed does not have too many years left in the game. He needs to get his money now. I cant see a 35 year old saftey getting a fat contract.

Sorry Hero, I can't agree. He's making enough right now to live like royalty for the rest of his life. I just can't feel sorry for him, bellyaching that he's underpaid, just because lesser players may be getting even more outrageous paydays.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:38 pm

Deadskins wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I have to side with Reed on this one. Reed does not have too many years left in the game. He needs to get his money now. I cant see a 35 year old saftey getting a fat contract.

Sorry Hero, I can't agree. He's making enough right now to live like royalty for the rest of his life. I just can't feel sorry for him, bellyaching that he's underpaid, just because lesser players may be getting even more outrageous paydays.

Just because you feel he makes too much money doesn't mean he's not right about his situation.

There's a man somewhere that'd do your job and be happy doing your job for 1/4 of what you're being paid. Does that mean you're overpaid? The money is relative and Ed is right that he's underpaid for the market in which he resides.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:38 pm

Perspective. The real unemployment rate (including those who are not included in the Department of Labor calc because they either gave up, or have run out of benefits) is at around 14%. Millions of Americans are wondering where they will be sleeping next week.

But, here we have a player whining that the millions he is making should be more because it's not as much as another player.

Sorry, Chris. This is purely about ego... and greed.

How many millions is enough? Is Ed Reed one of the two best safety's in the league? Yes. Should I feel bad that he's not making quite as many millions as a player who might be a little inferior to him???? Not a chance.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:12 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:There's a man somewhere that'd do your job and be happy doing your job for 1/4 of what you're being paid.

I don't think so. Not that I think someone couldn't be happy making 1/4 of what I make, but your not going to find anyone with my skills to take that little. The company has to weigh the cost of my salary with my experience level vs. putting that money into training someone new to do my job, while not being assured that new person could do the job as well. Then there is also the fact that I'm willing to do extra work, to see that the job is done correctly, even if it means helping someone else with their work so that they can do their own job better. And twice over the course of my career, I have taken a pay cut to ensure job security. So I have no symapathy for Reed's position. Sorry.