I guess I'm all for trading Gardner. We have a glut of wide recievers, which based on potentially could be very very good group. But that's based on potential. But at the same time I'd rather have a stud DE that could notch 10-12 sacks next year on our d-line then have a reciever with 55 catches and 800-900 yards. We let Derrius Thompson sign over there, and he isn't much so let Gardner join him.
I hope we don't give up our first round pick next year. I don't think Ogunleye is that good. He played opposite Jason Taylor, who commands double teams and chip blocks from backs to slow him down, while Ogunleye goes against bigger, slower, right tackles on an island. Now that the league knows who he is, they'll bring double teams to his side if he's on the Skins, because we don't have anyone else who commands that kind of attention. He'll struggle to learn moves to counter double teams, and won't be the same factor here that he was in Miami.
Lets do it, I dont think Rod Gardner and a second round pick is too much, I really think we can use this guy, and would like to see him in Washington. The Redskins are going to be something special this year guys, Cant wait for the season to get started... GO REDSKINS.
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I like Gardner. With a real backfield, our starting receivers will light it up. Plus I'm not totally sold on Ogunleye being a 10-12 sack guy this season. He'll have a learning curve when it comes to breaking double teams and chips from TEs and RBs.
Redskindave, aren't you tired of losing draft picks? If Gibbs is really going to be here for the next 5 seasons, I want to see him draft a young DE, and have that DE learn under a veteran coaching staff. Be patient.
ok, for all you guys are saying, "oh he'll just get double teamed here, and won't make the same numbers", i got news for ya. thats EXACTLY what we need, a guy who will demand a double team, because of right now, we don't have anyone, tackle or end that will require a double from opposing D's. if ogunleye is drawing a double, that leaves every other member of the line one on one, not to mention, thats one less offensive lineman that the LB's have to go through to get to the ball carrier or the QB.... think about it logically, would you rather have a guy who records 12 sacks by himself, or a guy whos presnece accounts for 30 sacks for the rest of the D? not to mention, he plays the run pretty well.
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I understand what your saying, But this guy isnt that old and has some NFL experence, And whos to say the pick we get would even work out?... The Skins will be ok, Im just for getting this guy and then we should be done pretty much with going after expensive talent, an experenced pass rusher would be nice to have.. Dont get me wrong, I like Rod also.. Just thinking of the best thing for the team
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redskindave wrote:Thats a great point Evilhog, double team him and that leaves alot of opertunity for the rest of the line
all we need is that one guy that the opposing D has to pay respect to on the line, and we're gold, with the rest of the talent we field.
last year, we had no single guy who was a threat. i mean really, whats the point in double teaming bruce smith? our D suffered because of it.
year before, we had gardner getting doubled, and sometimes tripled in the middle... the rest of the D took full advantage, and posted some good numbers.
i'm a firm believer that football is won and lost in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. we NEED a guy on the line that will count for two.
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I understand what you guys are saying, and you make valid points about the Dline needing someone the O has to respect. And sure, I would love to have somebody with more skill on the line, but I am tired of the attitude that we need to pay as much as possible for somebody else's talent in the hopes that it will tranlate into victories for our team. There will ALWAYS be somebody who could help the team, so long as we pay enough to get that individual. But when does it stop? After we got Deion, that was enough. Then it was after we got Trotter, that was enough. Then it was after we got the Jets, that was enough. Now it's Portis and Ogunleye, and then it's enough. It always seems to be the same theme. Maybe our coaches will get more production out of the middle priced FAs we picked up this year (see Daniels and Griffin). I'm willing to see what they can do with our group before going out to get another guy who again, "is the one pice missing". When is it really enough?
LALUVAH wrote:I understand what you guys are saying, and you make valid points about the Dline needing someone the O has to respect. And sure, I would love to have somebody with more skill on the line, but I am tired of the attitude that we need to pay as much as possible for somebody else's talent in the hopes that it will tranlate into victories for our team. There will ALWAYS be somebody who could help the team, so long as we pay enough to get that individual. But when does it stop? After we got Deion, that was enough. Then it was after we got Trotter, that was enough. Then it was after we got the Jets, that was enough. Now it's Portis and Ogunleye, and then it's enough. It always seems to be the same theme. Maybe our coaches will get more production out of the middle priced FAs we picked up this year (see Daniels and Griffin). I'm willing to see what they can do with our group before going out to get another guy who again, "is the one pice missing". When is it really enough?
Well with dan snyder unning the team you should be used to it by now. If we are going to have this win now mentality think about the cap later, then Im all for fielding the best team we can put on the field. I say give Joe all the talent that he needs to make this team a consistent winner in his tenure.
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I just had a conversation with a buddy of mine in Miami and he told me that the Dolphins biggest need right now is an offensive lineman. So many fans of Miami are talking about a Samuels for Ogunleye (both have contract issues and the money each would free up from their respective team would be enought to sign the other to long term deals). They allude to the fact that we drafted two o-linemen, the fact Samuels had two subpar seasons, and his refusal to restructure (which may mean he will be a cap casualty next year, so why not get something in return if we may cut him)...Anywho I think its just a dream dolphin fans are clinging to (I hope it is anyway)
it's never enough, thats the nature of the business. but at the end of the season, i don't want to have unused cap space, and be saying, "wow, if we had gotten ogunleye......"
the defensive line is by far our weakest point, for more than one rerason. 1) as stated above, we have no single guy on the line whos presence has to be accounted for each down by opposing offenses. 2) depth on the line is pathetic.
at least this situation would remedy this problem going into the season. if gibbs and co. decide to give up a first(i personally would love to have a draft for once) i support the decision, and AO all the way.
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You are right LALUVAH, There has to be a point where it all has to stop, All Im saying is that I think we can really use this guy, And I know you thinking ok then whos next.. But we have to have a guy to get pressure on the QB, And I just happen to think this guy just might be the answer, Im pretty satisified with the way the team is starting to look, I have faith in coach Gibbs and the coaching staff And trust there decisions in whatever they do, And you are right, Enough has to be enough at some point. Ownership and coaching staff has it in there hands.
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FatPat wrote:I just had a conversation with a buddy of mine in Miami and he told me that the Dolphins biggest need right now is an offensive lineman. So many fans of Miami are talking about a Samuels for Ogunleye (both have contract issues and the money each would free up from their respective team would be enought to sign the other to long term deals). They allude to the fact that we drafted two o-linemen, the fact Samuels had two subpar seasons, and his refusal to restructure (which may mean he will be a cap casualty next year, so why not get something in return if we may cut him)...Anywho I think its just a dream dolphin fans are clinging to (I hope it is anyway)
wow. rumors are flying in full swing. i don't think that would happen.
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Well, Ogunleye for Samuels is more possible than Ogunleye for Gardner. Am I missing something, or didn't the 'Phins pick up Daryl Boston this offseason? He didn't start out too well for them, but I heard the 'Phins beat writer say that he's lost weight and has recently shown real dedication. If Boston gets his head on straight (and loses the nipple rings), he's twice the receiver that Rod Gardner is. They are essentially both big, physical possession receivers, and not speedsters who stretch the field. I happen to like Gardner, especially since he's from Jacksonville. But, why on earth would Miami want a less talented copy of Boston? If they're looking for another receiver to improve their roster, I think it would be a speedster to start opposite Boston. But what do I know, I hate the Miami Dolphins.
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Skin Diesel wrote:Well, Ogunleye for Samuels is more possible than Ogunleye for Gardner. Am I missing something, or didn't the 'Phins pick up Daryl Boston this offseason? He didn't start out too well for them, but I heard the 'Phins beat writer say that he's lost weight and has recently shown real dedication. If Boston gets his head on straight (and loses the nipple rings), he's twice the receiver that Rod Gardner is. They are essentially both big, physical possession receivers, and not speedsters who stretch the field. I happen to like Gardner, especially since he's from Jacksonville. But, why on earth would Miami want a less talented copy of Boston? If they're looking for another receiver to improve their roster, I think it would be a speedster to start opposite Boston. But what do I know, I hate the Miami Dolphins.
Yeah, they got David Boston in the offseason but they don't have much depth behind Chris Chambers. They have Derrius Thompson and a lot of youngsters. Plus, Boston isn't a sure bet to post big numbers this year but we'll see.
And trading Chris isn't gonna happen. The cap hit will be very large and I won't allow it!
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our D suffered because of it.
And trust there decisions in whatever they do, And you are right, Enough has to be enough at some point. 
Ownership and coaching staff has it in there hands. 
