HAYNESWORTH FAILS TES!!!!!!

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SkinsJock wrote:- I just want this camp to NOT be about Haynesworth - it should all be about getting the guys ready for the season

I'm just concerned about this guy - he has shown at times that he is the real deal but he could be such a bigger factor for the defense and especially for the other guys playing next to him



in my opinion, Haynesworth needs a major attitude adjustment and Shanahan is going to get things going here in the only way he knows how


Per Rick Maese: Haynesworth failed conditioning test again...


To me, this is Shanahan veering into jerk territory. I'm totally on board with what happened yesterday, but I think the point has been made already. Enough.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm with you on almost all accounts. The only thing I don't dig is that Shanahan claims that if they went thru the off-season program, they don't have to take the test. He said he KNOWS that the guys are in shape from working out a month ago.

If it's punishment then just say, "Hey, it's hell for you until I feel redeemed." Don't sugar coat it or call it something it's not. Big Al knows, it, we know it, and the media knows it. The detractors love it. But it's still Shanahan making sure big Al knows Shanahan's in charge. And it's a good thing.


Exactly what Ive been saying...If you think its punishment and Shanahan is just doing this until he feels redeemed, this is ridiculous. This his own personal agenda. Whats best for this team right now....?
1.) Haynesworth is practicing
2.) Haynesworth is traded/cut
3.) Haynesworth is paraded out each morning to run sprint tests that half the team wouldnt pass right now to drag this damn story out longer.

Why cant we just get moving on with FOOTBALL and stop trying to prove that "Shanhan is in charge" and "Hes showing disciplne". The team has bought in already! They know hes a "tough guy" and is a "disciplinarian". WE GET IT MIKE!! YOUR TEAM GETS IT!! You made him get here at 7:30am run damn sprints, and were going to put him on 2nd team Defense. Message sent! Get over your damn self and either get rid of him or put him on the damn field! Another thing, You know what is a great way to get into football shape? PLAYING FOOTBALL!

Hes been so bent outta shape about "the check". He kept saying "He took the check, He took the check". Well who gave him the ability/choice to take the check? If you had any doubts you shouldnt have made it HIS call to take the check. Lets see...

Mike: Albert if you take the check we expect you to do everything we ask of you, but if you want to leave we will cut you.
Albert: If you cut me, do I still get the check for 21 million dollars?
Mike: No Albert you dont, but you can find a team that will pay 21 million dollars guaranteed over a few years but, you might have a problem with that sense you had a awful year, and looked like an overpaid, outtashape, malcontent bust.
Albert: Ahhhh...Ill take the check!

(WELL NO S HE TOOK THE DAMN CHECK!)

You should have just cut his ass. Think about how much better camp we be right now.....The story of cutting Haynesworth would be almost 3 months old. We would be talking about the new O and the new D, McNabb, Jamal Brown, Trent Williams, Bruce Allen. The beginning of a new bright future here in Washington D.C. But....No we didnt do that. Now, Shanahan has to pull out his junk slap it on the table and say "Look how big it is everybody, even a guy worth a 100 million dollars couldnt have a bigger one." Im done with this story, lets get him practicing or off the team. After the year of being a joke franchise with the circus of bingo callers, swinging gate plays, and prime time blowouts. The last thing I wanted was some freak show, just bringing more of the same....laughing and pointing at the team who just cant seem to get out of its own way. (sigh) SMH.....Mike, dont keep this story going just to prove a point. Let it go man, I want to move on and talk about football and the Redskins as a whole not Mike Shanahan and Albert Haynesworth....As Luke Wilson put it when he got his second arm ripped off by a bear in the classic movie Anchorman...."THIS IS GETTN TO BE RI-GOSH-DAMN-DICULOUS!!"
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Bob 0119 wrote:From the way I read it, Shanahan is gonna make the big guy earn that $21 mil through pain and humiliation.

Everyone was all upset about Haynesworth missing the OTAs but now you start to see how a real coach breaks a player of his "superstar" mindset. If Haynesworth wants to play games and put his desires above the team, Shanahan just showed him who's house this really is...

I am confused about the corporate culture comment though. Who owns ESPN? Three guys in a van?



ESPN is owned by ABC.


which is owned by the Go Network which is owned by Disney! crazy right? lol
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PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:- I just want this camp to NOT be about Haynesworth - it should all be about getting the guys ready for the season

I'm just concerned about this guy - he has shown at times that he is the real deal but he could be such a bigger factor for the defense and especially for the other guys playing next to him



in my opinion, Haynesworth needs a major attitude adjustment and Shanahan is going to get things going here in the only way he knows how


Per Rick Maese: Haynesworth failed conditioning test again...


To me, this is Shanahan veering into jerk territory. I'm totally on board with what happened yesterday, but I think the point has been made already. Enough.


..but Pulp fat al still needs to pass the test bro
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Don't forget this: Haynesworth is in such great shape that he felt he would be better than the guys who would train at Redskins Park. So now he's being asked to put his body where his mouth say's it is. Another thing is that if he were to come in and play NT, he wouldn't have to go through that but Albert did this by dropping all the weight, saying he's in tip top shape to play the DE position well his responsibilities have changed when he, Haynesworth, decided he would decide what position he was going to play. That's just my thought on it.
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When Haynesworth realizes what he needs to do, he'll be on the practice field .... DUH

I think that Shanahan is putting his stamp on this franchise and I'm in favor of whatever it takes

Haynesworth needs to get in line and make an effort - so far he's showing that he just does not get it
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frankcal20 wrote:Don't forget this: Haynesworth is in such great shape that he felt he would be better than the guys who would train at Redskins Park. So now he's being asked to put his body where his mouth say's it is. Another thing is that if he were to come in and play NT, he wouldn't have to go through that but Albert did this by dropping all the weight, saying he's in tip top shape to play the DE position well his responsibilities have changed when he, Haynesworth, decided he would decide what position he was going to play. That's just my thought on it.


He cant put his money were his mouth is because no one else has to do this. So we dont know if any other lineman can do this...
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frankcal20 wrote:Don't forget this: Haynesworth is in such great shape that he felt he would be better than the guys who would train at Redskins Park. So now he's being asked to put his body where his mouth say's it is. Another thing is that if he were to come in and play NT, he wouldn't have to go through that but Albert did this by dropping all the weight, saying he's in tip top shape to play the DE position well his responsibilities have changed when he, Haynesworth, decided he would decide what position he was going to play. That's just my thought on it.


He cant put his money were his mouth is because no one else has to do this. So we dont know if any other lineman can do this...


That's exactly the point. I have no way of judging whether or not he should be able to pass this test...because NO ONE ELSE HAS, EITHER.
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I don't see how anyone is upset by this? He is the ONLY ONE that chose not to work out with the TEAM. If he wants to be an individual player, then he's going to do the work.

Per Lomis Brown on ESPN's First Take, in the '80's and '90's, these sprints were done by everyone before the OTA's. Since the introduction of the OTA's, they have been phased out. But they are used - conditioning tests - for rookies, etc.
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frankcal20 wrote:I don't see how anyone is upset by this? He is the ONLY ONE that chose not to work out with the TEAM. If he wants to be an individual player, then he's going to do the work.

Per Lomis Brown on ESPN's First Take, in the '80's and '90's, these sprints were done by everyone before the OTA's. Since the introduction of the OTA's, they have been phased out. But they are used - conditioning tests - for rookies, etc.


As stated previously, this is still a business. Wasn't it frowned upon when CP has special rules? Now that big Al has special rules, it's okay? Can't have it both ways. Shanahan needs to finish with his, "I am the boss routine" and get back to football. After all, we WERE 4-12 last year.
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I'll take Warren Sapp's version - "Haynesworth is in shape but he's not in shape for training camp" - hopefully Shanahan will keep working him until he (Shanahan) thinks he's ready
THEN I hope he lets Haynesworth work his way back into the lineup
Haynesworth has put himself in this place and he needs to be kept there until he gets it

This is not hurting the other players or the coaches at all - this ONLY affects Haynesworth

man I like it when players like this get treated according to how they treat others around them :lol:
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This the ALPHA DOG putting the pup in line and setting the bar high!

This is Shanny's was to show AH and the rest of the team, that no one person is above the team. CP are you watching and taking notes?

AH needs to suck it up and go with it. Upon passing the test, the team will see that he "paid his dues" so to speak - and he will be in even greater shape. Lets hope this translates into not getting gassed as often in games.
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PulpExposure wrote:To me, this is Shanahan veering into jerk territory. I'm totally on board with what happened yesterday, but I think the point has been made already. Enough.


What's he supposed to do? If the standard he set yesterday was for Haynesworth to pass the test, should he change his mind today or tomorrow?
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PulpExposure wrote:
PMG12569 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Don't forget this: Haynesworth is in such great shape that he felt he would be better than the guys who would train at Redskins Park. So now he's being asked to put his body where his mouth say's it is. Another thing is that if he were to come in and play NT, he wouldn't have to go through that but Albert did this by dropping all the weight, saying he's in tip top shape to play the DE position well his responsibilities have changed when he, Haynesworth, decided he would decide what position he was going to play. That's just my thought on it.


He cant put his money were his mouth is because no one else has to do this. So we dont know if any other lineman can do this...


That's exactly the point. I have no way of judging whether or not he should be able to pass this test...because NO ONE ELSE HAS, EITHER.


I really don't understand this perspective. Since Haynesworth wasn't with the team for OTAs, they want to test him to make sure he's in shape for training camp. Do we know for sure that no other players (rookies, others who may have missed) have to do this?

I can see criticism if Shanahan and Haslett came up with this in their lair of evil in the middle of the night a couple of weeks ago . . . a test designed only for Haynesworth that only Albert would have to take, the sole purpose of which was to make a point. OK, if that's true, then there's something to the critique.

But what if this is just the standard they have for players who weren't there? What if Haynesworth isn't special? What's to get upset about?
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this is exactly what I was worried about with Shanahan pushing the issue too far.. you made your point now let the guy practice or the situation is just going to get out of control and cause more of a distraction.
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First off, we know one of the players that spoke up was DeAngelo Hall, who is an admitted Haynesworth friend on the team and was the only player to come to bat for Albert when all this was going on.

Phillip Daniels said that he could pass this test with no problem and that the majority of the d-lineman could right now.

Is there a reason why Albert shouldn't do it? Also, he only spoke up b/c his out of shape ass failed. Plain and simple.

Also, Baltimore ran the same test yesterday and their rookie failed.
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He'd better be able to pass the conditioning tests if he's going to be any good on special teams this year.
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Hooligan wrote:He'd better be able to pass the conditioning tests if he's going to be any good on special teams this year.


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SkinsJock wrote:I'll take Warren Sapp's version - "Haynesworth is in shape but he's not in shape for training camp" - hopefully Shanahan will keep working him until he (Shanahan) thinks he's ready
THEN I hope he lets Haynesworth work his way back into the lineup
Haynesworth has put himself in this place and he needs to be kept there until he gets it

This is not hurting the other players or the coaches at all - this ONLY affects Haynesworth

man I like it when players like this get treated according to how they treat others around them :lol:


I dont care about that what the hell is it doing to make us a better football team? Because last I recall thats all I give an S about
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I do not think there is anything to worry about here - Haynesworth made a mistake in not coming in for the OTAs and now has to pass a test before he can practice - I don't care how long it takes for him to do that - I hope it gets harder for him not easier

I want this guy in even better shape than anyone else so he plays well and we get the most value for him when he is eventually moved
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Flat out disagree with the notion of shipping this guy. At the end of the day we want the best pass rush in the game. How many other teams have superior D-tackles to compliment top tier pass rushing Ends? Maybe Minnesota and Pittsburg kind of. With Orakpo and Haynesworth on the same line regardless of whether someone has an attitude or not is a recipie for blowing up O-lines, forcing throws, shortening the field, and making everyone's job easier. These guys don't teach elementary school, they beat huge people up on Sundays. There's ALWAYS going to be testosterone related drama with every team, this isn't all that different

It's hard to tell at this point whether this was what Shanahan meant by "we have a plan and we're going to follow through with it" when asked about Haynesworth this offseason. It's really a perfect case scenario with him flunking the latest test and actually garnering sympathy. Two days ago you couldn't have convinced me that anyone would be on his side through the entire training camp and here we are, fences mended and on our way to team unity. Brilliant would be an understatement

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VetSkinsFan wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:I don't see how anyone is upset by this? He is the ONLY ONE that chose not to work out with the TEAM. If he wants to be an individual player, then he's going to do the work.

Per Lomis Brown on ESPN's First Take, in the '80's and '90's, these sprints were done by everyone before the OTA's. Since the introduction of the OTA's, they have been phased out. But they are used - conditioning tests - for rookies, etc.


As stated previously, this is still a business. Wasn't it frowned upon when CP has special rules? Now that big Al has special rules, it's okay? Can't have it both ways. Shanahan needs to finish with his, "I am the boss routine" and get back to football. After all, we WERE 4-12 last year.



:roll: They ARE NOT special rules... they are how team determined to test the conditioning of a player whom decided to skip OTA's AND mandatory activities... since no one else did that, what's the problem? Al guaranteed he'd be in condition... why can't the team test it?

Had he been here, this would not be an issue, now would it?
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Countertrey wrote:
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frankcal20 wrote:I don't see how anyone is upset by this? He is the ONLY ONE that chose not to work out with the TEAM. If he wants to be an individual player, then he's going to do the work.

Per Lomis Brown on ESPN's First Take, in the '80's and '90's, these sprints were done by everyone before the OTA's. Since the introduction of the OTA's, they have been phased out. But they are used - conditioning tests - for rookies, etc.


As stated previously, this is still a business. Wasn't it frowned upon when CP has special rules? Now that big Al has special rules, it's okay? Can't have it both ways. Shanahan needs to finish with his, "I am the boss routine" and get back to football. After all, we WERE 4-12 last year.



:roll: They ARE NOT special rules... they are how team determined to test the conditioning of a player whom decided to skip OTA's AND mandatory activities... since no one else did that, what's the problem? Al guaranteed he'd be in condition... why can't the team test it?

Had he been here, this would not be an issue, now would it?


But to have him be the only one to take it? Doesn't sound like everyone's held to the same standard to me. You wanna discipline him, discipline him, but don't play games. And since Shanahan saw his guys train A MONTH ago, he can guarantee they're still in that shape? Out of 80 guys, he's the ONLY ONE that couldn't pass it if all of them took it? Doesn't sound straight to me.

Again, I don't have a problem if he's in the dog house, but just say he's in the dog house. Don't play games.
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Shanahan has noted that those who were involved in the Redskins off season conditioning program did not need to take the test.

Who, other than Haynesworth, did not participate?


per Ray Wright:
Haynesworth is the only player on the team that had to take the test, according to both Wright and Coach Mike Shanahan. Wright said it was not a Haynesworth-specific test, but that he was the only player who did not meet a 50-percent attendance mark during the offseason.

"The guys that were under 50-percent [attendance] were notified, 'You got to get over 50 percent or there's going to be a test,'" Wright said. "Andre Carter was close, Rocky McIntosh was close, so we let them know. They're over 50 percent [attendance]. Our team was so high, we're 90.4 as a team, so no one was in danger of having to do a test."

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Knowing this, don't you think that it would be "making a special exception" for Haynesworth if they "just let it slide?"
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When all is said and done Shanny's gonna be proven right.

In the end when AH is in the best shape of his life, he will prove to be the best NT ever. And by the way, when we switch him outside midway through a game and the other team thinks hes winded and he can sprint around the corner?? lordy lordy!

i have faith in shanny and AH.

in the end AH will be a "trim" killing machine. (i use the word trim loosley)
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