Love this article on Vick vs. McNabb

[yupchagee]

[/quote]No, but neither do Petyon and Ben make up about half of the white QBs in the league.

There are far more than 4 black QB's in the league.

[VetSkinsFan]

We must be talking on different points. I never said 'pretend they're not black.' I'm saying, as I prefer to think of althetes all together, as athletes. Wouldn't Big Ben possibly be affecting the white community as he's been a bonehead lately? Where's the attention to his detrimental actions on young white kids who may look up to him?

The only reason this piece is written and accepted is b/c the comaprison is between two BLACK people. You could actually say that Ben is a bigger bonehead than Vick b/c Vick has two differing situations, while Ben didn't learn from his first bonehead moment.

It's ALL about the black community, which supports the segregation, not tries to get past it. If everyone were to start treating and being treated as equals, we wouldn't be having this kind of 'discussion provoking' garbage anymore. I don't think the Michael Phelps marijuana fiasco was concerned only about the white community. Why does Vick have to only be concerned about the black community?

[The Hogster]

No, but neither do Petyon and Ben make up about half of the white QBs in the league.

Michael Vick
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
David Garrard
Josh Freeman
Tavaris Jackson
Seneca Wallace
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch
Dennis Dixon
Josh Johnson
Troy Smith
Donovan McNabb
Etc

All black quarterbacks. McNabb and Vick are hardly "half" of that number.

I'm not sure which "[continuing] racist stereotypes" you have in mind with respect to Vick and McNabb, but this reasoning puts the cart before the horse, IMHO.

The stereotypes are the caricatures that are often made of black athletes, especially quarterbacks. You're either an unintelligent guy who "can't read defenses" or is "too passive" or "too slow to pass and too quick to run." Or you're "trying to be a pocket passer" or a "running quarterback." It's all getting tired and old.

The reality is, black quarterbacks are just Quarterbacks. Some of them can run (Vick), some can't (Leftwich) - just like white quarterbacks. Some of them are smart, some of them aren't - just like white quarterbacks. I think what irks many, and comes across as unintentionally racist, is the tendency to overlook the failings of other white quarterbacks and attribute it to the toughness of the position, but with others, we have catch phrases are attached to their game.

Nobody thinks Tebow isn't smart enough to release the ball quickly, it's "mechanics" and you can work on that- but when a similar black player takes too long to deliver it's "slow decision making" or "rawness."

Nobody says Jay Cutler isn't a smart player when he throws into double coverage, he's a "gunslinger." It gets repetitive and just because it isn't blatant doesn't mean these stereotypes don't exist. This is the contrary to playing the race card, this is asking for people to stop putting race into the equation when it's not the critical issue. I just want to move past that tendency, because it's ill informed and it's not progressive.

No one is making claims about the success of these QBs based on their race. The question is: here is a successful quarterback who is black, and is acting really foolishly in ways that set terrible examples for the black kids who are looking up to the pros for a role model.

Yes indeed. But, please tell me, don't the failings of white players set an equally bad example for white kids? Better yet, don't the failings of NFL PLAYERS set the wrong example for all kids?? When I was 6-10 years old, I liked a lot of NFL players, and it wasn't due to race. When I was that age, I was a pretty strong kid who wasn't exactly the fastest. Everyone thought I would make a great Tight End if my size stayed the same. My two favorite players at that time? Mark Bavaro and Keith Jackson. They were both good and their race wasn't the reason why. I looked up to them regardless.

It's condesending to think that young black kids are only following the examples set by Michael Vick - moreover, all NFL players have influence. So why are we always singling out guys like Vick as bad examples for black kids? Like you said, they kids look up to the PROS. Not just the pros who are their race.

Having a knee-jerk about color blindness doesn't really constitute a response, because there is a reason to bring his race up: it's having a real effect on the black community. And, in contrast to Vick, is a black man who has been viritually ignored for his good qualities in Philly.

Just because the response is not the same as yours doesn't make it knee jerk. This is another annoying and counter productive tendency when these issues are discussed. Pointing out something that is racially charged doesn't mean you're having a knee jerk or sensitive reaction. Whitlock - who is black - wrote this article for the purpose of getting a reaction, period. I happen to think his article is haphazard, disorganized, and unnecessarily racial. Saying Vick is a "ghetto icon" or is more "beloved by the black community" is retarded.

I'm assuming you meant to write "McNabb" was ignored for his good qualities in Philly, and not Vick, but I get what you're saying. McNabb was ignored by the MEDIA for his good qualities, and the fans didn't appreciate them. You can't speak for the entire "black community" and neither can Whitlock. Ask the children who attended his football camps, or those who benefited from his hospital donations. Or, check his jersey sales. Black people actually love McNabb. Philly fans - who are not all black - didn't. Where were you when Rush Limbaugh made his comments? Who is telling everyone what the "black community" likes and doesn't?? Please tell. I doubt if you ask any person, black and white, what they think about Vick, they will tell you he's a dumba$$. Black people might defend him more, or sympathize with him more, but that is a subject for another day that involves many other issues.

My first post described what I didn't like about the article. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but we can't defend that opinion with generalized proclamations of what the "black community" thinks. That term is ridiculous in and of itself. Does the "white community" always think the same thing too? I'm confused.

[Irn-Bru]

No, but neither do Petyon and Ben make up about half of the white QBs in the league.

OK, in the first place, I wasn't being literal. I was being hyperbolic for effect.

But even with that considered, let's take a look at the actual starters from the list you posted:

Michael Vick
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
David Garrard
Josh Freeman
Donovan McNabb

Maybe it's not such a long shot to speak of there being relatively few black quarterbacks after all. Notice that in a list of starters the two are pretty close to representing half of the players. (2/6)


Oh, I can't help but comment here:

Etc

And this one is my favorite. People love to write "etc." after a long list that exhausted every example they could think of. You were really scraping at the bottom of the barrel there with a few of them. (I mean, seriously: if you ever overhear me saying "he's an NFL quality quarterback," it's a pretty safe bet I'm not talking about Colt Brennan.)

So, in the future, how about using a period to indicate that you're done, instead of an ambiguous "etc."? That way you don't give off the deceiving vibe that you could have kept going and going and . . . Just my

The stereotypes are the caricatures that are often made of black athletes, especially quarterbacks. You're either an unintelligent guy who "can't read defenses" or is "too passive" or "too slow to pass and too quick to run." Or you're "trying to be a pocket passer" or a "running quarterback." It's all getting tired and old.

OK, but I don't see the relevance to Whitlock's article, then. Maybe Vet had something else in mind(?).

No one is making claims about the success of these QBs based on their race. The question is: here is a successful quarterback who is black, and is acting really foolishly in ways that set terrible examples for the black kids who are looking up to the pros for a role model.

Yes indeed. But, please tell me, don't the failings of white players set an equally bad example for white kids?

Sure, although that tends to be a bit less noteworthy, since the white community isn't as identifiable as such (for many reasons), and in particular because the black community faces some systemic problems that white kids tend not to face.

Better yet, don't the failings of NFL PLAYERS set the wrong example for all kids??

Sure, but it doesn't follow from this that what (the relatively few) black quarterbacks do and don't do won't have special significance for the black community.

It's condesending to think that young black kids are only following the examples set by Michael Vick

Nobody said they are only following the examples of black quarterbacks. However, I think you will find that black kids do tend to look up to black pro players in particular. There's nothing racist in that, IMO.

Whitlock - who is black - wrote this article for the purpose of getting a reaction, period.

I don't think that's clear at all. And if you're wondering why I've called some of the reactions to his piece "knee jerk" reactions, this is a good example of why: a superficial reading that discounts any possibility of another explanation.

I agree with many of your points concerning generalizations. There is no single "thing" that the black community thinks. Nevertheless, there are trends that opinion writers can speak to. Whitlock thinks Vick got off very easy, as far as his public perception is concerned. (I don't agree with that view; but that's another issue.)

My point is that what Whitlock is doing isn't pure race-baiting. In fact, he might very well have a pretty good argument. Sure, he can't speak for everyone with one sentence; but he can speak to wide-ranging (if not exclusive) opinions and trends among particular communities.

Where were you when Rush Limbaugh made his comments?

What's that supposed to mean?

[The Hogster]

OK, in the first place, I wasn't being literal. I was being hyperbolic for effect.

Thanks for clarifying the undetectable "exaggeration."

But even with that considered, let's take a look at the actual starters from the list you posted:

Michael Vick
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
David Garrard
Josh Freeman
Donovan McNabb

Michael Vick didn't start a single game. So essentially what you did was cut my list down from 13 players including starters and backups to 5 to make your initial statement seem more correct. Look up hyperbole please, I think you have it confused for mistaken.

And this one is my favorite. People love to write "etc." after a long list that exhausted every example they could think of. You were really scraping at the bottom of the barrel there with a few of them.

More superfluous blather. Scraping the bottom of the barrel? Josh Johnson and Seneca Wallace both STARTED games last year. Something Vick didn't do. Leftwich was a first round pick who started in this league and was brought to Pittsburgh to compete with Dennis Dixon to START this year while Ben takes a seat in detention. Tavaris Jackson was a STARTER until a little known guy named Brett Favre came out of retirement. Charlie Batch and Troy Smith are the definition of backup.

So, in the future, how about using a period to indicate that you're done, instead of an ambiguous "etc."? That way you don't give off the deceiving vibe that you could have kept going and going and

. More pompous yet misguided advice - thanks nonetheless. I threw you a bone by using etc instead of including Jamarcus Russell since he's currently no longer in the NFL, and Pat White since he's not used as a regular QB. There are only 32 teams in the NFL, and I've named 15 black quarterbacks - most of whom STARTED or PLAYED more than Vick - the role model for the black community and its youth.

Just because you don't know those players does not mean they are "bottom of the barrell." Colt Brennan has never played a second in a regular season game, I hardly follow your logic or your metaphor. But, whatever makes your "point" I guess.

Sure, although that tends to be a bit less noteworthy, since the white community isn't as identifiable as such (for many reasons), and in particular because the black community faces some systemic problems that white kids tend not to face.

I actually agree with your comment here. No argument from me. The more important point however is that we hear more about Vick's dogfighting and/or birthday parties than we do about any of the other 12 black quarterbacks who actually START or PLAY. It's the world we live in. But, that does not mean that young black kids who are looking for role models only find them on PFT, or on Whitlock's blogs.

To the contrary, some people actually know of the so-called "bottom of the barrell" players that you castigated, OR choose to look up to other positive role models, including white people. I know it might be hard to fathom, but cross-racial role models are possible. Not everyone is looking for Michael Vick for a good source of inspiration.

Nobody said they are only following the examples of black quarterbacks. However, I think you will find that black kids do tend to look up to black pro players in particular. There's nothing racist in that, IMO.

It isn't, but it's totally condescending to believe that of the other positive role models out there, kids just can't help but have their progress stymied by Mr. Vick. If Vick is hurting progress, it's because people who can influence the game (College Coaches, Athletic Directors, NFL GM's) look at Vick as a representative of "black" quarterbacks. Again, totally off base here since Vick is a moron because he's a moron, not because of his race.

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Whitlock - who is black - wrote this article for the purpose of getting a reaction, period.

I don't think that's clear at all.

Really? You're kidding right? This is Whitlock, check his resume. He's the Mike Florio of ESPN, FOX. His job is to write for a reaction.

What's that supposed to mean?

It means that your prior statement that Vick is more appreciated or beloved by the so-called "black community" than McNabb is totally misinformed. If you were watching football 6 years ago, you would remember that ESPN hired Rush Limbaugh who made a comment that McNabb was overrated by the media because the media wanted desperately to see a black quarterback do well. There was widespread backlash and support from the so-called "black community." Put simply, you're mistaken...or were you going for "hyperbole" that time?

[langleyparkjoe]

I read all of it but the BEST part is "while Ben is in detention"

[Irn-Bru]

Thanks for clarifying the undetectable "exaggeration."

Obviously there are more than 4 black quarterbacks in the NFL. You'd have to know next to nothing about the NFL not to know that. If you still think I was being literal and precise, I guess there's not much else I can for you.

I assumed it was common knowledge that there were more than 4 black QBs in the NFL, and so a statement implying that wouldn't be taken literally. I was mistaken, and for that I apologize.

Michael Vick didn't start a single game. So essentially what you did was cut my list down from 13 players including starters and backups to 5 to make your initial statement seem more correct. Look up hyperbole please, I think you have it confused for mistaken.

I was throwing you a bone, dude.

I know Vick didn't start last year, and neither is he (at this point) slated to be this year's starter. You'll notice I also kept Josh Freeman on the list, even though he won't be in the NFL 3 years from now. I could have just pared down the list to the significant black QBs, but that would have been controversial and rather subjective. So I decided to stick with the simplest criteria for the list: the two quarterbacks in question and other black staring QBs.

My point is that black quarterbacks — and when I say "quarterbacks" I mean names that 5 years after their career would make an average NFL fan think "oh, you mean that quarterback?" (HINT: that doesn't include players like Colt Brennan or Josh Freeman) — are uncommon, relative to the general ratio of black players in the NFL on the whole.

More superfluous blather. Scraping the bottom of the barrel? Josh Johnson and Seneca Wallace both STARTED games last year.

Not by choice. And yes, I'll assert that citing Seneca Wallace as a good example of a QB is scraping the bottom of the barrel, any day.

Look, my point on this narrow issue is that rhetorical tricks only hurt one's argument and don't advance the discussion. "Etc." means "and so on," as though the examples named are but members of a larger class. You named almost every single black quarterback that is anywhere on an NFL roster, and then said "etc." like you could have named at least several more. Instead you had one more you could have named, and maybe one other if you look hard enough.

It's a very narrow point, and one that will perhaps make no impact in this context.

Oh well. Anyway, this part of the debate — nitpicking over how many black QBs should 'count' and fine points of the use of 'etc' — is so stupid that I'll let my contribution to it end it right here. (You can respond however you want to the above, of course.)

it's totally condescending to believe that of the other positive role models out there, kids just can't help but have their progress stymied by Mr. Vick. If Vick is hurting progress, it's because people who can influence the game (College Coaches, Athletic Directors, NFL GM's) look at Vick as a representative of "black" quarterbacks.

First, he can't help but be a representative of black quarterbacks. (To see this is to see Mr. Whitlock's point.) Second, Vick is trying very hard to live the back-home lifestyle on steroids with how much cash he brings in. Kids see that glamor and long for it in their own lives. That's a problem worth pointing out.

Again, totally off base here since Vick is a moron because he's a moron, not because of his race.

Cart before the horse. Whitlock is not saying Vick is a moron because of his race.

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Whitlock - who is black - wrote this article for the purpose of getting a reaction, period.

I don't think that's clear at all.

Really? You're kidding right? This is Whitlock, check his resume. He's the Mike Florio of ESPN, FOX. His job is to write for a reaction.

I know all about Whitlock. I hate most things that he writes. I think his posturing over getting a reaction is bull.

. . . . but. That doesn't mean that this article can only be race baiting nonsense. You have to take articles on their own merits, and think critically through the issues that are being raised. In this case, I think Whitlock . . . well, I can't bring myself to say that he got it right . . . let me just say: I think his thoughts here are collected and compelling.

And because his article has interesting content, I can't just deny that it has any merit simply because the author is known to fly off the handle. That would be dismissing something in an unwarranted fashion.

It means that your prior statement that Vick is more appreciated or beloved by the so-called "black community" than McNabb is totally misinformed. If you were watching football 6 years ago, you would remember that ESPN hired Rush Limbaugh who made a comment that McNabb was overrated by the media because the media wanted desperately to see a black quarterback do well. There was widespread backlash and support from the so-called "black community." Put simply, you're mistaken...or were you going for "hyperbole" that time?

Ah. No hyperbole, I simply didn't understand the connection you were trying to make. Yes, there was plenty of love for McNabb at the time of those statements . . . funny how it went away once he wasn't under an (alleged) racist attack, though.

[The Hogster]

You'll notice I also kept Josh Freeman on the list, even though he won't be in the NFL 3 years from now.

Did you know that yesterday, July 6th 2010 was the day that Marty McFly landed in the future on his way from 1986??

I'm assuming you're Marty and you left the next day (today) headed for 2014 . So, other than Josh Freeman becoming a bust, what else do ya see in the future? Lotto numbers are preferred, but hopefully you don't see these racial generalizations and stereotypes while you're out there. I won't hold my breath.

[ICEMAN]

What was wrong with this guy's opinion!!!

[ICEMAN]

I can't believe the majority of you all are missing the point being made by Jason Whitlock. Race is not the issue! He was demonstrating his disdain for Michael Vick. Also, he was speaking from a Black perspective...because...ahh...ughhh...He is BLACK. It was a Black man disgusted with another Black man's transgressions and misfortunes. And many of you all do not come from the Black community...(meaning race), because if you did, then you would realize that Vick is highly celebrated by many black sports enthusiast around the nation.

Now...the real point that Jason was making, was that we are celebrating a worthless piece of trash, rather than a very good, quality citizen, football player like Donovan McNabb! A player who warrants being celebrated and adorned the accolades of a pro football player in this league. A player who has never been arrested, never been involved in a strip/nightclub shooting, a player never saying the wrong things in the media or press, no drug arrest, alcohol DUI's or suspensions for D-Mac. That's the player that we should be rooting for...ESPECIALLY for young Black athletes aspiring to play professional football. Jason even went on with the WIRE analogy to further demonstrate that Michael Vick is nothing more than a "Street Hood" who does not deserve to play in this very honored game.

That's all folks!

[VetSkinsFan]

The problem as I see, and obviously being WRONG b/c I'm white, is that this is the NFL, where there are black and white among other races that succeed. This piece may be compelling in some other venue, but as an NFL piece, I think it's out of its element. The double standard he created for Vick/McNabb vs Brady Manning was the analogy that stood out the most, as well as the other labels that need to be gotten away from in order to PROMOTE leaving the racial crap behind. And last I checked, black people aren't the 100% race in the inner city/low income/'ghetto' areas. Majority maybe, but I still don't like the racial profiling.

I ask you this. Would this be a good example for a child being raised currently? I don't think so. I was raised by a racist and I adamantly despise anything that doesn't further equality. And this doesn't further that cause IMO. The 'black community' can keep segregating itself and shooting itself in the foot if it wants to, but I refuse to enable it.

[langleyparkjoe]

I can't believe the majority of you all are missing the point being made by Jason Whitlock. Race is not the issue! He was demonstrating his disdain for Michael Vick. Also, he was speaking from a Black perspective...because...ahh...ughhh...He is BLACK. It was a Black man disgusted with another Black man's transgressions and misfortunes. And many of you all do not come from the Black community...(meaning race), because if you did, then you would realize that Vick is highly celebrated by many black sports enthusiast around the nation.

Now...the real point that Jason was making, was that we are celebrating a worthless piece of trash, rather than a very good, quality citizen, football player like Donovan McNabb! A player who warrants being celebrated and adorned the accolades of a pro football player in this league. A player who has never been arrested, never been involved in a strip/nightclub shooting, a player never saying the wrong things in the media or press, no drug arrest, alcohol DUI's or suspensions for D-Mac. That's the player that we should be rooting for...ESPECIALLY for young Black athletes aspiring to play professional football. Jason even went on with the WIRE analogy to further demonstrate that Michael Vick is nothing more than a "Street Hood" who does not deserve to play in this very honored game.

That's all folks!

Friend I don't know if your black or not but all my boys love Vick because of how he pooted on teams with his slick legs. None of them said "dat dude Vick is a cool SOB cause of the dog thing", nor did they say "yea boy, we like Vick cause he may have got his revenge on that dude that snitched". Seriously, I loooove me some Vick ONLY because of B Sanders type jukes and moves. Maybe in his home area do they look @ him as some kind of stud but the black folks I know (and my many Spanish and white friends) here in the DC area don't give two rats buttcheeks about what he does off the field. Also, I don't even see how he can even say he's a street thug because what did he do 'thuggish'? Dog fighting seems barbaric to me not 'thuggish'. That's all we have on the guy, gambling and dog fighting. It just seems to me he could've gave his opinion without doing the whole Vick/McNabb thing. Like I said previously, Smeagel fans are just too stupid to begin with.

[langleyparkjoe]

I can't believe the majority of you all are missing the point being made by Jason Whitlock. Race is not the issue! He was demonstrating his disdain for Michael Vick. Also, he was speaking from a Black perspective...because...ahh...ughhh...He is BLACK. It was a Black man disgusted with another Black man's transgressions and misfortunes. And many of you all do not come from the Black community...(meaning race), because if you did, then you would realize that Vick is highly celebrated by many black sports enthusiast around the nation.

Now...the real point that Jason was making, was that we are celebrating a worthless piece of trash, rather than a very good, quality citizen, football player like Donovan McNabb! A player who warrants being celebrated and adorned the accolades of a pro football player in this league. A player who has never been arrested, never been involved in a strip/nightclub shooting, a player never saying the wrong things in the media or press, no drug arrest, alcohol DUI's or suspensions for D-Mac. That's the player that we should be rooting for...ESPECIALLY for young Black athletes aspiring to play professional football. Jason even went on with the WIRE analogy to further demonstrate that Michael Vick is nothing more than a "Street Hood" who does not deserve to play in this very honored game.

That's all folks!

Friend I don't know if your black or not but all my boys love Vick because of how he pooted on teams with his slick legs. None of them said "dat dude Vick is a cool SOB cause of the dog thing", nor did they say "yea boy, we like Vick cause he may have got his revenge on that dude that snitched". Seriously, I loooove me some Vick ONLY because of B Sanders type jukes and moves. Maybe in his home area do they look @ him as some kind of stud but the black folks I know (and my many Spanish and white friends) here in the DC area don't give two rats buttcheeks about what he does off the field. Also, I don't even see how he can even say he's a street thug because what did he do 'thuggish'? Dog fighting seems barbaric to me not 'thuggish'. That's all we have on the guy, gambling and dog fighting. It just seems to me he could've gave his opinion without doing the whole Vick/McNabb thing. Like I said previously, Smeagel fans are just too stupid to begin with.

[emoses14]

Like I said previously, Smeagel fans are just too stupid to begin with.

I don't think any of us will argue about that.

[yupchagee]

The problem as I see, and obviously being WRONG b/c I'm white, is that this is the NFL, where there are black and white among other races that succeed. This piece may be compelling in some other venue, but as an NFL piece, I think it's out of its element. The double standard he created for Vick/McNabb vs Brady Manning was the analogy that stood out the most, as well as the other labels that need to be gotten away from in order to PROMOTE leaving the racial crap behind. And last I checked, black people aren't the 100% race in the inner city/low income/'ghetto' areas. Majority maybe, but I still don't like the racial profiling.

I ask you this. Would this be a good example for a child being raised currently? I don't think so. I was raised by a racist and I adamantly despise anything that doesn't further equality. And this doesn't further that cause IMO. The 'black community' can keep segregating itself and shooting itself in the foot if it wants to, but I refuse to enable it.

[ICEMAN]

What's Up Langley Park Joe. I read your comment obviously and you are right...Most of our folks from the Black community likes Vick because of his "sick" moves...But from a character standpoint of view, Vick should not be given the same love more so than a D-Mac. Whether your black, white or whatever...Jason Whitlock was stating some valuable points.

[ICEMAN]

Oh and VET SKINS FAN...you are right as well about the reference of race. But Jason Whitlock, was not directing race at any one group or people. That is where you and a host of others on this site missed his direction in all of this. He was simply speaking from his own perspective, which happened to be that of a black person who was very disappointed with another black individual. Would it have been better for him to reference from a dog lover to another, or a Christian to another or how about a Lebron James fan to another...

Race here was taken fully out of context and out the way! The example of Brady and Manning was apparent only because, of the different platforms and degree of perception between white and black quarterbacks in this league. Historically, African-American football players weren't given the reins to quarterback teams in this league...no secret there. So, I do understand the reference there. But, AGAIN...the overall notion was giving Donovan McNabb love and respect and Kudos for all the fine things that he has done for 11 years.

[burgngold4life]

The Wire's season 3 episodes are on HBO on demand right now. lol

I bet this clown got blunted and watched a few hours of it and thought he should run his stupid fat mouth. What a shmizzuck.

[VetSkinsFan]

Oh and VET SKINS FAN...you are right as well about the reference of race. But Jason Whitlock, was not directing race at any one group or people. That is where you and a host of others on this site missed his direction in all of this. He was simply speaking from his own perspective, which happened to be that of a black person who was very disappointed with another black individual. Would it have been better for him to reference from a dog lover to another, or a Christian to another or how about a Lebron James fan to another...

Race here was taken fully out of context and out the way! The example of Brady and Manning was apparent only because, of the different platforms and degree of perception between white and black quarterbacks in this league. Historically, African-American football players weren't given the reins to quarterback teams in this league...no secret there. So, I do understand the reference there. But, AGAIN...the overall notion was giving Donovan McNabb love and respect and Kudos for all the fine things that he has done for 11 years.

I don't recall any references to Warren Moon, Dough Williams, or other earlier, pioneer type back quarterbacks. All were real time reference, so let's omit the historical lesson of a white dominated society and league from the 30s and 40s.

And as previously quoted, "No QB in the history of the league has done more damage to the reputation of and the opportunities afforded to black quarterbacks than Michael Vick."

Isn't this racial profiling? Stereotyping? Now that one black QB has screwed up, we're afraid that ALL black QBs (and he even extends it to all black players, justifying Dez Bryant's situation, which is another topic) may do the same thing as ONE black QB has done? Hell, I guess we should say that all of 'them' are the same, b/c that's what I hear when I read this blog. I don't like it one stinkin bit.

[langleyparkjoe]

I bet this clown got blunted

Your from Clinton, you know we don't say blunted.. we say "smacked"..

Sorry, off topic but his post about the wire was funny

[Irn-Bru]

And as previously quoted, "No QB in the history of the league has done more damage to the reputation of and the opportunities afforded to black quarterbacks than Michael Vick."

Isn't this racial profiling? Stereotyping? Now that one black QB has screwed up, we're afraid that ALL black QBs (and he even extends it to all black players, justifying Dez Bryant's situation, which is another topic) may do the same thing as ONE black QB has done?

What? That's not what Whitlock is saying at all.

[ICEMAN]

And as previously quoted, "No QB in the history of the league has done more damage to the reputation of and the opportunities afforded to black quarterbacks than Michael Vick."

Isn't this racial profiling? Stereotyping? Now that one black QB has screwed up, we're afraid that ALL black QBs (and he even extends it to all black players, justifying Dez Bryant's situation, which is another topic) may do the same thing as ONE black QB has done?

What? That's not what Whitlock is saying at all.

Yeah, I am Lost too! Maybe VetSkins Fan needs a hug or a road map to find his way. Geeeeeeshhh!

[ICEMAN]

AGAIN...Whitlock just has a problem with this particular QB...I believe it is his prerogative.

Geeeeeeeshhh

[Countertrey]

Stick to discussing the content of the thread, please... not other posters. Thanks.