lockout/strike?

[Scottskins]

So, I'm of the opinion that a lockout is now inevitable. I think this situation with Haynesworth is going to be at the forefront of the owners saying screw you to the players. They are going to want a lot without giving up much, if anything. Rookie caps, salary cap reinstatement, language in all contracts that prevent this fat albert type of situation, lower player pay...I'd say a lockout in 2011 is a given. Do you guys think there will be a players strike in 2012?

Too bad, since the Skins seem to be on the way up finally...

[CanesSkins26]

I think this situation with Haynesworth is going to be at the forefront of the owners saying screw you to the players.

Please If anything, NFL players are underpaid compared to NBA and MLB players. The owners are making boatloads of cash.

[brad7686]

I don't think there will be a lockout. This isn't hockey, you can't just take a whole year off and miss out on that money. The owners AND the players know that.

[The Hogster]

I think money talks, and at the end of the day, the NFL is in a major upward trend revenue wise. When you have 32, uber rich, wealthy, money-grubbing owners looking at the prospect of missing a year's worth of revenue, I think things will get done.

[tribeofjudah]

People....one season at a time.....please...!!!

[yupchagee]

The egos on both sides make a lockout almost inevitable.

[SkinsJock]

The egos on both sides make a lockout almost inevitable.

we've got a ways to go but I agree - both sides should look for ways to get a new deal done but unfortunately, both sides have a lot of guys with egos that will not

[The Hogster]

It's still early. Of course each side will hold fast to their positions now. Give it time. The negotiations have not even started in earnest yet.

[SkinsJock]

It's still early. Of course each side will hold fast to their positions now. Give it time. The negotiations have not even started in earnest yet.

just giving my very limited opinion

[langleyparkjoe]

I believe (or just hope) that they'll be ready to go and play.

If not, oh well because GREAT things happen for our Skins when there is a strike

[riggofan]

I'm not really sure about this. I think the owners can unfortunately afford to have a lockout year. Some of the players can afford it, but not all. It seems like a game of chicken that the players can't win.

[Bob 0119]

I think this situation with Haynesworth is going to be at the forefront of the owners saying screw you to the players.

Please If anything, NFL players are underpaid compared to NBA and MLB players. The owners are making boatloads of cash.

Should football players play as many games as basketball and baseball players play too?

Let's see these guys play 82 games a season and then I'll start talking about how underpaid they are.

[SkinsJock]

Why is it wrong for owners to make a lot of money?

I could care less about other sports - NFL players salaries in so many cases are just not proportionate - the NFL AND the NFLPA have to get this all sorted out

the owners have a TV contract that guarantees them some leverage but both sides should be looking for ways to get another agreement in place
let's face it, both the players & the owners are going to make a lot of money but the players' salaries have escalated out of proportion IMO

something else that irks me is the NFL owners and the newer NFL players apparent lack of concern in trying to help the former NFL players financially - these are the players that paved the way for both owners and players to make a lot of money

[Bob 0119]

The NFL owners get eight games a season to make their money. The players play 16 regular season games. Sure there's concession stand income and TV rights, but each sport gets that as well. Granted the NFL's TV rights are more lucrative than baseball and basketball but the increased amount of games means they make far more in concession stand revenue.

Basketball owners get 41 games (granted with a much smaller venue) but if you do 41 games with 20,000 in attendance, you beat 8 games of 90,000. The NBA players play 82 regular season games.

Baseball owners get 82 games, and while they still may not come close to football stadium numbers, they don't have to.

Now if we compare salaries on a per game basis...

(these numbers were gleaned from the internet so I can't attest to exactly how accurate they are, but I'm sure it's close enough to make my point)

Alex Ovechkin - $49,000 per game
A-Rod - $175,000 per game
CC Sabathia - $140,000 per game
LeBron James - $175,000 per game
Kobe Bryant - $216,000 per game

Tom Brady - $914,000 per game
Peyton Manning - $900,000 per game

If an NFL player signs a five year $25M contract he is making $312,500 per game. Sure, his contract might not be anywhere near what an NBA or MLB player contract is in total, but on a per game basis he makes them look like chumps.

I do agree with SJ, the NFL should have something in place for it's retired players, even if it's simply a modest income stream like $50,000 per year or maybe $10,000 per year they played in the NFL (so a ten year vet makes $100,000 while a one year bust makes $10,000, something like that). There's gotta be something they can do.

[VetSkinsFan]

The NFL owners get eight games a season to make their money. The players play 16 regular season games. Sure there's concession stand income and TV rights, but each sport gets that as well. Granted the NFL's TV rights are more lucrative than baseball and basketball but the increased amount of games means they make far more in concession stand revenue.

Basketball owners get 41 games (granted with a much smaller venue) but if you do 41 games with 20,000 in attendance, you beat 8 games of 90,000. The NBA players play 82 regular season games.

Baseball owners get 82 games, and while they still may not come close to football stadium numbers, they don't have to.

Now if we compare salaries on a per game basis...

(these numbers were gleaned from the internet so I can't attest to exactly how accurate they are, but I'm sure it's close enough to make my point)

Alex Ovechkin - $49,000 per game
A-Rod - $175,000 per game
CC Sabathia - $140,000 per game
LeBron James - $175,000 per game
Kobe Bryant - $216,000 per game

Tom Brady - $914,000 per game
Peyton Manning - $900,000 per game

If an NFL player signs a five year $25M contract he is making $312,500 per game. Sure, his contract might not be anywhere near what an NBA or MLB player contract is in total, but on a per game basis he makes them look like chumps.

I do agree with SJ, the NFL should have something in place for it's retired players, even if it's simply a modest income stream like $50,000 per year or maybe $10,000 per year they played in the NFL (so a ten year vet makes $100,000 while a one year bust makes $10,000, something like that). There's gotta be something they can do.

The per game salary comparison isn't apples to apples, though, Bob. Shouldn't the comparison be yearly contractual average?

[Bob 0119]

The NFL owners get eight games a season to make their money. The players play 16 regular season games. Sure there's concession stand income and TV rights, but each sport gets that as well. Granted the NFL's TV rights are more lucrative than baseball and basketball but the increased amount of games means they make far more in concession stand revenue.

Basketball owners get 41 games (granted with a much smaller venue) but if you do 41 games with 20,000 in attendance, you beat 8 games of 90,000. The NBA players play 82 regular season games.

Baseball owners get 82 games, and while they still may not come close to football stadium numbers, they don't have to.

Now if we compare salaries on a per game basis...

(these numbers were gleaned from the internet so I can't attest to exactly how accurate they are, but I'm sure it's close enough to make my point)

Alex Ovechkin - $49,000 per game
A-Rod - $175,000 per game
CC Sabathia - $140,000 per game
LeBron James - $175,000 per game
Kobe Bryant - $216,000 per game

Tom Brady - $914,000 per game
Peyton Manning - $900,000 per game

If an NFL player signs a five year $25M contract he is making $312,500 per game. Sure, his contract might not be anywhere near what an NBA or MLB player contract is in total, but on a per game basis he makes them look like chumps.

I do agree with SJ, the NFL should have something in place for it's retired players, even if it's simply a modest income stream like $50,000 per year or maybe $10,000 per year they played in the NFL (so a ten year vet makes $100,000 while a one year bust makes $10,000, something like that). There's gotta be something they can do.

The per game salary comparison isn't apples to apples, though, Bob. Shouldn't the comparison be yearly contractual average?

Why? The fact may be that football is far more physical than basketball and baseball combined, but the per game average of pay for football players is much higher than it is for the NBA and MLB.

Those guys play three and four games per week, and sometimes (in MLB) two in a single day.

I don't think a simple yearly pay comparison works, and that was my point. Imagine a football player playing a game, hopping on a plane to fly back home just to play another game the next night. Can't be done, right?

The games would be lousy, and the players wouldn't survive it withoiut serious injuries.

Sure Basketball and Baseball players make more over the course of a year, but they also play more and that's where a bulkload of the income comes from...game attendance.

Not just ticket sales but food and beverage sales, advertiser's rights, souvenier sales, everything that is bought while the customer is inside the arena/ballpark.

Football players salaries may be less over the course of a year, but they only play a maximum of 24 games if they play every preseason game (which we all know is a joke because few do, and they are more of a practice than an actual game) and if they make it to the Superbowl.

A modest NFL contract still pays more per game than the highest paid players in either the NBA or MLB.

[yupchagee]

This is all comparing apples to oranges. Attemdance, ticket prices, TV revenues all need to be taken into account. Also roster sizes. How do player salaries compare as a % of team revenues?

[Bob 0119]

This is all comparing apples to oranges. Attemdance, ticket prices, TV revenues all need to be taken into account. Also roster sizes. How do player salaries compare as a % of team revenues?

Another excellent point. Something tells me that one NFL (53 man) roster is more than any NBA and MLB team roster combined.

[langleyparkjoe]

This is all comparing apples to oranges. Attemdance, ticket prices, TV revenues all need to be taken into account. Also roster sizes. How do player salaries compare as a % of team revenues?

Another excellent point. Something tells me that one NFL (53 man) roster is more than any NBA and MLB team roster combined.

Thanks Bob, for giving me a friggin headache! Bottom line, Fat Albert needs to get his fat tail in here and earn his money!

*off topic I know.. forgive me*