Scottskins wrote:he missed one year because of injury. he was a probowler before that. we have the ability to have his salary NOT count against the cap and he has something to prove. with the state of our offensive line, I'd say it would be bad business NOT to sign this guy to a 4 or 5 year deal. if he comes back to form and we wait to sign him, it will cost us much more AND it will count against the cap...no brainer in my mind...
Too many times we've signed players to big deals that have performed somewhere else but done nothing here (i.e. Big Al). We should make Brown prove himself before we sign him long-term. Besides, you're going to have some awfully disgruntled defensive players (i.e. Rocky and Rogers) if we sign Brown long-term, and don't extend them.
I think we should try for long term deals now while they are likely to be relatively cheap rather than wait for them to hit the open market next year.
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There has been a lot of criticism of the FO's handling of the O-line this off-season. If you consider the loss of the great LT Samuels and the injury/decline of Randy Thomas and Jansen over the past few years, it was no an enviable position to be in. I think we can all be pretty happy with the addition of Trent Williams, Artis Hicks, Selvish Capers, Eric Cook and now Jammal Brown (Pro Bowl 2006 and 2008). Will they be the best O-line in football? Doubt it. Has the FO managed to increase talent and depth considerably without breaking the bank? Absolutely. The coaching staff has a lot to work with now and reasons to be optimistic.
LAst years scouting report on Jammal Brown:
Brown has been New Orleans' starting left tackle since being drafted in the first round of the 2005 draft. He is a good-sized tackle with excellent balance, body control and athleticism. He does a good job of keeping his pad level down and blocking with leverage. He can kick step out to pick up the speed rusher off the edge and still react and adjust to react to counter moves. He could do a better job of finishing his drive blocks off as he tends to let opponents recover and work their way back into the play. While Brown might not be an elite left tackle he certainly provides a quality starter that can hold down the left side.
There's no way to see this as other than a good thing for the Skins. It is a a player with proven ability returning from a very recoverable injury. He is a major upgrade and the addition has a positive impact on other OL positions.
ThePickman wrote:There's no way to see this as other than a good thing for the Skins. It is a a player with proven ability returning from a very recoverable injury. He is a major upgrade and the addition has a positive impact on other OL positions.
He might even be a nice tutor/mentor for Trent Williams. Both from Oklahoma, both play offensive tackle. Williams is the likely back up and successor to Brown at LT.
I don't know if this makes a difference, but Brown had surgery on his hernia by the same surgeon who performed similar surgery on McNabb a few years ago. McNabb didn't have any further injury after that did he?
If Brown is moving well he should be the LT. He allowed a ridiculously low amount of sacks one year. Williams will get beat occasionally, but can maul in the run game.
no question that both should start but it would seem to be more prudent to allow Williams to start at RT now that we have someone that can play LT
just a thought
let's not get too in front of ourselves here - we are in the process of hopefully having NOBODY that started on our O line last season, in any position as quickly as possible - this might not happen until 2011 but it needs to happen for us to think that we can have a decent O line again
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
I really don't get all the hate for DD. The guy is a very good NFL starter, yet a lot of people on here act like the guy shouldn't even be starting. Makes no sense at all.
We got a tackle that made the probowl 2/3 of the last seasons he's played. He was able to sit all last year and heal, he's fresh. He's 29. We'll get prolly 4-5 years out of him... Now we have an added layer of depth and an ability to switch him to LT if Trent isn't doing well.
For a 3rd or 4th round pick... What's there to complain about?
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
Brown wasn't looking for a big payday as far as I can tell. The Saints said take 3.5 million for 1 year so we can see if you can beat out the guy that took your spot. Brown told them he would rather be traded. He signed the tender so he could be traded to washington where he is virtually guaranteed a starting spot on what looks to be an up and coming team. I don't really see where he was all that disgruntled...I see a guy who wants to be paid fairly with a 4-6 year deal for a solid NFL OT.
We got a tackle that made the probowl 2/3 of the last seasons he's played. He was able to sit all last year and heal, he's fresh. He's 29. We'll get prolly 4-5 years out of him... Now we have an added layer of depth and an ability to switch him to LT if Trent isn't doing well.
For a 3rd or 4th round pick... What's there to complain about?
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
I wasn't one of those people, I feel that Rocky is unappreciated and deserves a new contract.
I also feel that Brown isn't looking for a big money increase but wants to start. He's a probowler for cyring out loud.
We got a tackle that made the probowl 2/3 of the last seasons he's played. He was able to sit all last year and heal, he's fresh. He's 29. We'll get prolly 4-5 years out of him... Now we have an added layer of depth and an ability to switch him to LT if Trent isn't doing well.
For a 3rd or 4th round pick... What's there to complain about?
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
I wasn't one of those people, I feel that Rocky is unappreciated and deserves a new contract.
I also feel that Brown isn't looking for a big money increase but wants to start. He's a probowler for cyring out loud.
I also think Brown (&Rocky) are looking for some security (ie long term deal). Both deserve them.
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spudstr04 wrote:Where is everyone? This is huge news for our O-Line and offense...if he is healthy, it automatically produces 1-2 more wins for our team. More time for McNabb to throw, the more points we will score.
Jammal Brown Bio:
He's 29, he was a Pro-Bowler in 2008, he played at Oklahoma in college, so he should be able to make quick friends with Malcolm and Trent. I see no downside, as long as, he's healthy!
I try not to get too excited by rumors.
The Redskins have worked out a deal with the Saints for left tackle Jammal Brown. Brown has signed his tender and is now talk with the Skins about a long term deal
Paralis wrote:*If* he's healthy. Word was last year the Saints weren't willing to offer Brown a long-term deal because of concerns about his knees and were looking to deal him last year as a result.
Either the Saints' price came way down or this doesn't say much for Williams thus far.
Jay Glazer wrote:I'm reporting saints are trading pro bowl tackle jamaal brown to redskins for conditional draft pick.
I also feel that Brown isn't looking for a big money increase but wants to start.
I hope you're right, because if that's truly the case it's a great move. But he did skip OTAs because he was unhappy with a $3.6 million tender for the 2010 season. He is a talented guy so hopefully he stays healthy and comes in and plays hard for us.
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
I really don't get all the hate for DD. The guy is a very good NFL starter, yet a lot of people on here act like the guy shouldn't even be starting. Makes no sense at all.
Me either. I think he's a good NFL starter, and good enough that we shouldn't be looking to replace him. Many more holes on this team than LG.
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
The one gigantic difference to me is that Brown is a 2 time pro bowler, and Rocky is an okay player. Plus, he's never played in a 3-4, so if we're going to keep that defense, we should make sure he fit it before we sign him to a long term contract, right?
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
I really don't get all the hate for DD. The guy is a very good NFL starter, yet a lot of people on here act like the guy shouldn't even be starting. Makes no sense at all.
Me either. I think he's a good NFL starter, and good enough that we shouldn't be looking to replace him. Many more holes on this team than LG.
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
The one gigantic difference to me is that Brown is a 2 time pro bowler, and Rocky is an okay player. Plus, he's never played in a 3-4, so if we're going to keep that defense, we should make sure he fit it before we sign him to a long term contract, right?
Brown wanted long term, not big money.
And I believe Rocky's adequate in 4-3, and before we got Haslett, I'd say long term for Rocky. But with this nonsense with big Al, I agree with you CT. Make sure both parties are happy before the long term for Rocky.
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What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Scottskins wrote:Brown wasn't looking for a big payday as far as I can tell. The Saints said take 3.5 million for 1 year so we can see if you can beat out the guy that took your spot. Brown told them he would rather be traded. He signed the tender so he could be traded to washington where he is virtually guaranteed a starting spot on what looks to be an up and coming team. I don't really see where he was all that disgruntled...I see a guy who wants to be paid fairly with a 4-6 year deal for a solid NFL OT.
I think it could pretty understandable for Brown to ask for a trade. He just missed the whole season and watched his team win the Super Bowl without him. I would imagine the Saints offense has bonded with Bushrod, the starting LT. So for Brown to walk back into camp causes some problems. It is easier to look for a plce that really needs a starting LT and who will welcome him with open arms. Then, the fact that Trent Williams went to Oklahoma too and it has the makings of a perfect fit.
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
I really don't get all the hate for DD. The guy is a very good NFL starter, yet a lot of people on here act like the guy shouldn't even be starting. Makes no sense at all.
Me either. I think he's a good NFL starter, and good enough that we shouldn't be looking to replace him. Many more holes on this team than LG.
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
The one gigantic difference to me is that Brown is a 2 time pro bowler, and Rocky is an okay player. Plus, he's never played in a 3-4, so if we're going to keep that defense, we should make sure he fit it before we sign him to a long term contract, right?
Brown wanted long term, not big money.
And I believe Rocky's adequate in 4-3, and before we got Haslett, I'd say long term for Rocky. But with this nonsense with big Al, I agree with you CT. Make sure both parties are happy before the long term for Rocky.
Yeah, I don't think Rocky has done enough in his career to warrant a big long term contract. Switching to the 3-4, he needs to prove he fits this system and can play at a high level, injury free before the Skins should make a big investment in him.
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
I really don't get all the hate for DD. The guy is a very good NFL starter, yet a lot of people on here act like the guy shouldn't even be starting. Makes no sense at all.
Me either. I think he's a good NFL starter, and good enough that we shouldn't be looking to replace him. Many more holes on this team than LG.
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
The one gigantic difference to me is that Brown is a 2 time pro bowler, and Rocky is an okay player. Plus, he's never played in a 3-4, so if we're going to keep that defense, we should make sure he fit it before we sign him to a long term contract, right?
Brown wanted long term, not big money.
And I believe Rocky's adequate in 4-3, and before we got Haslett, I'd say long term for Rocky. But with this nonsense with big Al, I agree with you CT. Make sure both parties are happy before the long term for Rocky.
Yeah, I don't think Rocky has done enough in his career to warrant a big long term contract. Switching to the 3-4, he needs to prove he fits this system and can play at a high level, injury free before the Skins should make a big investment in him.
I don't recall specifically; have we heard what kind of money Ricky's lookin for? It doesn't stand out that he's asking for the moon, moreso that he wants stability.
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GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Switching to the 3-4, he needs to prove he fits this system and can play at a high level, [b[injury free[/b] before the Skins should make a big investment in him
The part in bold is an issue with Brown too, though. He has never started a full 16 game season in the NFL, he missed all of last year, and even before that injury the Saints were concerned about his knees. I'm happy that we have him, I just think that he needs to stay healthy and play at a high level before we sign him long-term.
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
I really don't get all the hate for DD. The guy is a very good NFL starter, yet a lot of people on here act like the guy shouldn't even be starting. Makes no sense at all.
I do not hate DD at all - I'm just concerned that some think that he's our best offensive lineman AND I'm very frustrated at his past 2 years - he leaves and does not impress anyone at all by his play in Buffalo and then he comes back and is a part of one of the worst lines in the NFL
NO! - I don't 'hate' DD - I think that he's a decent NFL LG - I just want to have an offensive line that is good enough that, at the least, IF DD is a part of it would be as a back-up
I totally agree that LG is not our biggest concern - just my opinion but I do not think that anyone that was a starter at the begining of last season will be a starter here by the middle of next year - some may be here but not as the regular starter
AND I think that adding Brown is a great step forward in replacing players that were here last season
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
IMO - we are in a lot of trouble when some fans here think that DD is our best O lineman - we are getting there but this will take time
I really don't get all the hate for DD. The guy is a very good NFL starter, yet a lot of people on here act like the guy shouldn't even be starting. Makes no sense at all.
Me either. I think he's a good NFL starter, and good enough that we shouldn't be looking to replace him. Many more holes on this team than LG.
My issue with this has less to do with Brown as a player, and more the fact that we are once again making a move for a guy that is looking for a big payday. I also find it interesting that a lot of people on here were up in arms when Rocky skipped OTAs because he wanted a new contract, yet Brown does the exact same thing, despite not playing in a single game last year, and nobody has a thing to say about that. An absurd double standard.
The one gigantic difference to me is that Brown is a 2 time pro bowler, and Rocky is an okay player. Plus, he's never played in a 3-4, so if we're going to keep that defense, we should make sure he fit it before we sign him to a long term contract, right?
Brown wanted long term, not big money.
And I believe Rocky's adequate in 4-3, and before we got Haslett, I'd say long term for Rocky. But with this nonsense with big Al, I agree with you CT. Make sure both parties are happy before the long term for Rocky.
I think he's more than just adequate. I also see no problem with him switching to 3/4 ILB. Football is football.
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