Oh no, Haynesworth wants out!!

[Scottskins]

he does get to keep his money...as long as he shows up and plays. do you guys really think fat albert is going to show up and play as if nothing has happened? not only is the team and most fans of the nfl against him now, now his own teammates(who usually have each others backs) are calling him a lazy selfish whiner(paraphrased).

the key to this whole thing is what the redskins want to do. IMO, they should definitely not let him get away with that 21 mil. if he won't give every cent of it back and while letting us trade him, I say we just keep him on the roster and make him sit. if we are forced to let him play, which we may very well be, he plays nose tackle. but as soon as he becomes average, he's benched. his career is over unless he plays ball. he may fake an injury. if he does, he still has to attend practices and games. he'll quickly become the biggest laughing stock in the history of the nfl. he'll be rich, but at a severe cost...

i might be a little vindictive, but we simply cannot let him get away with that 21 mil without penalty. the nfl had better write this next cba to cover crap like this too...

[Scottskins]

sorry, double post

[yupchagee]

he does get to keep his money...as long as he shows up and plays. do you guys really think fat albert is going to show up and play as if nothing has happened? not only is the team and most fans of the nfl against him now, now his own teammates(who usually have each others backs) are calling him a lazy selfish whiner(paraphrased).

the key to this whole thing is what the redskins want to do. IMO, they should definitely not let him get away with that 21 mil. if he won't give every cent of it back and while letting us trade him, I say we just keep him on the roster and make him sit. if we are forced to let him play, which we may very well be, he plays nose tackle. but as soon as he becomes average, he's benched. his career is over unless he plays ball. he may fake an injury. if he does, he still has to attend practices and games. he'll quickly become the biggest laughing stock in the history of the nfl. he'll be rich, but at a severe cost...

i might be a little vindictive, but we simply cannot let him get away with that 21 mil without penalty. the nfl had better write this next cba to cover crap like this too...

While it is tempting to be vindictive, we should do what's best for the team. I'm sure Shanny will.

[Countertrey]

What's best for the team in the short term? Or in the long term? A log term view would hold that the team (and, in fact the NFL) is best served by holding Haynesworth to his contract.

I'd prefer the long term view. I won't be surprised if Shanahan takes that, as well... especially now that he is aware that Haynesworth has virtually no support for his actions among his team mates.

[tribeofjudah]

Pay him in pennies. That'll teach him.

$20 million=2 billion pennies. that MAY weigh as much as Fat Albert!

way more.... someone do the math on how much a penny weighs X 2 billion.

[Skinsfan55]

A penny weighs approximately 2.5 grams. Times 2 billion, that's 5 billion grams. So that equals 5 million kilograms and 5 million kilograms is:

11,023,113 pounds. So roughly 5,511 and a half tons. Btw, that would be about 31,000 times heavier than Albert Haynesworth (350 pounds)...

(Someone feel free to check my math)

[CanesSkins26]

i might be a little vindictive, but we simply cannot let him get away with that 21 mil without penalty. the nfl had better write this next cba to cover crap like this too...

Or maybe teams should be a little more careful about the types of contracts that they enter into with players.

[yupchagee]

A penny weighs approximately 2.5 grams. Times 2 billion, that's 5 billion grams. So that equals 5 million kilograms and 5 million kilograms is:

11,023,113 pounds. So roughly 5,511 and a half tons. Btw, that would be about 31,000 times heavier than Albert Haynesworth (350 pounds)...

(Someone feel free to check my math)

So you don't think Fat Albert weighs 5500 tons? You're probably right. I was thinking of his ego which is considerably heavier

[Chris Luva Luva]

BTW - I must have missed your point in favor of cutting Albert some slack and suggesting that the Redskins are being unreasonable here.

Quote me where I said to cut him some slack.

And yes I said the Skins were being unreasonable IF the quotes from a linked article were true. IF being the keyword.

[The Hogster]

CLL Wrote:

The more I read up on this... The more it seems that the new regime is being unreasonable too.

This is not a one sided affair of a player being a jerk.

You didn't exactly say "cut him some slack" but the gist of your position is that both sides are at fault here. We can agree to disagree on that point. I don't think the team is being unreasonable at all. This is very one-sided in my view - and one-sided with AH being the jerk.

If the team were ever unreasonable, it was in plotting this stealth mission to sign this guy to a record contract without the benefit of significant consideration. But, that was the doing of Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder. And, any promises that were made within that 5 minutes of the start of Free Agency - or during Albert's visit where he signed the deal, then it is awfully unreasonable for Albert to believe that a totally new regime must honor "promises" that weren't included in deal, when they did not make those promises.

Look at the facts that we have learned. Players said that Albert wasn't happy with the way Blache used him last year. Well, we ran a 4-3 last year. Since he's scoffed at the idea of playing ANY nose tackle, we are left to believe that Albert wants to be used the way Albert wants to be used without real concern for the scheme. For a player who has received 32 million dollars for 13 games, that's plain selfish.

All in all, I usually side with the players. I represent players and agents in my daily practice. But, even I think this is an egregious example of greed, immaturity, and a lack of character and I would think this if he weren't a Redskin.

Pay Darrell Revis what he's worth. Pay Leon Washington what he's worth. Pay Chris Johnson what he's worth. Pay Joshua Cribbs (he got his payday) but you get the point. Pay the players their value and renegotiate when they've outperformed their deals. But, don't take money from the team and then decide you don't like what they're doing and refuse to work. There are 10 other men on that defense who haven't played in a 3-4...and they all make less money than Albert. This just makes no sense.

[Chris Luva Luva]

You didn't exactly say "cut him some slack" but the gist of your position is that both sides are at fault here.

So you're missing the part where I said IF the quotes by Mike were true...

I don't think the team is being unreasonable at all. This is very one-sided in my view - and one-sided with AH being the jerk.

If you read my post throughout the thread, you'd notice that I said both sides (the former FO and Al were at fault). Then I said that IF that quote from Shanny was true, than that's a bit unreasonable. Then as more reports/articles came out, I moved closer towards Al just singlehandedly being an arse towards the new regime and the report from Shanny being completely false.

If the team were ever unreasonable, it was in plotting this stealth mission to sign this guy to a record contract without the benefit of significant consideration. But, that was the doing of Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder. And, any promises that were made within that 5 minutes of the start of Free Agency - or during Albert's visit where he signed the deal, then it is awfully unreasonable for Albert to believe that a totally new regime must honor "promises" that weren't included in deal, when they did not make those promises.

I don't disagree at all. I even said this. I said it b4 in this thread. The ONLY thing I said about Mike was in regards to those alleged quotes. Specifically him allegedly telling Al that if he has more than 2 sacks, he'd be disappointed. IF that is true, which I do doubt, it's unreasonable and not looking towards a happy median between the 2 sides. I do know that info out of Redskin Park, goes against those quotes. So who knows...

For a player who has received 32 million dollars for 13 games, that's plain selfish.

I don't disagree. He's being very selfish. I understand the hesitation of something new, even his fellow players acknowledged that but he's just being a jerk at this point by not even trying.

[The Hogster]

I hear ya bro. I find it hard to believe the version coming from Al's camp though, just based on track record.

I remember him saying that his role is to free up his team mates to get sacks. I just don't see what changed him to - let me go get the Quarterback.

I hope a good resolution for the team is on the near horizon.

[Chris Luva Luva]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/18/redskins-will-have-a-very-hard-time-getting-haynesworths-bonus-money/

Looks like the Redskins are screwed. The best course of action is to let him come to camp in July and work him.

He put a half-hearted effort out there if he wants and let 2-3 guys shove him around, he's just risking injury that way. Let the dude squander his career away.

[SKINS#1]

Unless he finds a team that will take him and gives back most of the money he was paid in April, I would establish a Special place for him on the sideline away from the team and let him become a "monument". Then he really would be a focal point, Sweet Revenge.

[SkinsJock]

I wonder if there's any chance we could persuade Oakland to let us have Seymour for Haynesworth - Seymour just signed his tender so he's now "on board" out there and this way we could get something for Haynesworth

I'm not sure any team thinks that Haynesworth is worth anything but that franchise may be the best place for him

[HEROHAMO]

I never agreed with having AH play NT. Nor do I think he should ever but the way he is handling this situation just stinks. Plain and simple our team is paying him a boatload of money and he refuses to play NT? Come on!

I never really like Hasletts schemes but still a player should at least give it a try. He hasnt even lined up for one play yet he has already come to the conclusion that a 3-4 will not work for him.

The way I see it we should not honor any of his requests. Might as well keep him here for the remainder of his contract. THats what I would do. Let him be miserable or adapt to the situation.

[SkinsJock]

When he came here Haynesworth indicated that he would do everything he could to help this franchise and the players around him AND that he wanted to play in a way that he would be remembered as one of the greatest defensive linemen ever

We saw how he played and it was evident that he had not done his best to prepare or get himself in the best possible condition regardless of how he was used

Haynesworth was given a choice earlier this year and he made it and then before showing up last week he called the player's union and asked what the ramifications were financially, if he did not show. Haynesworth decided not to join his team ("players that I want to do anything and everything for"), when he found that the union would back him up and that he would not at this time be risking any of his money because of the CBA (AND rightfully so, by the way) - These actions do not give the impression of a player that wants what is best for his team but rather what is best for himself

I now do not think it is in the best interest of this franchise to keep Haynesworth BUT I really hope that Allen and Shanahan 'help' this guy hurt himself, his reputation and other NFL players as much as possible.

The union is right to support the players and it needs to do it's job but it also has to keep in mind that these actions by this guy are not helpful to the other members

An NFL team needs everyone playing together and Haynesworth will only hurt himself and other players if he is allowed to keep being showed up for what he really is


I know that keeping him here is not the best option but it will be a big pain in the butt for Haynesworth

[SkinsJock]

I understand that there are many rumors and possible scenarios being considered and maybe the best thing is to just cut and run.

I still kind of hope we let this play out a little longer - I think we can always get something for this guy and IMO we get more by waiting

Just my opinion, but if Haynesworth had been more upfront about his intentions in March or April, both the player and the franchise could have addressed things better

Haynesworth is responsible for his actions and his statements that his biggest priority was to get in better shape so he could help his team and make the players around him better

can anyone explain why he has not even showed up to find out what is really happening with both the defensive players and the coaches?

[langleyparkjoe]

can anyone explain why he has not even showed up to find out what is really happening with both the defensive players and the coaches?

That's the whole reason why everyones all upset SJ. Its like, dude you didn't even come in to check it out in person and see if you can handle it. I mean, like some players said for $21Mill they'll go in and learn it but come on dude, your supposed to be a professional. A Titans player said this is how Al's always been though but I was honestly thinking he'd show up in shape ready to prove people wrong.

[Irn-Bru]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/18/redskins-will-have-a-very-hard-time-getting-haynesworths-bonus-money/

Looks like the Redskins are screwed. The best course of action is to let him come to camp in July and work him.

Definitely. And considering how often he needed oxygen last year, I would guess that it won't be too hard to push him to the brink. There's always the upside of getting him in shape for this year, too.

[langleyparkjoe]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/18/redskins-will-have-a-very-hard-time-getting-haynesworths-bonus-money/

Looks like the Redskins are screwed. The best course of action is to let him come to camp in July and work him.

Definitely. And considering how often he needed oxygen last year, I would guess that it won't be too hard to push him to the brink. There's always the upside of getting him in shape for this year, too.

Don't hold your breath Bru

[SkinsJock]

AND .... can you imagine how much Haynesworth will look forward to being around all those defensive players that he's letting down by his actions?

[The Hogster]

If you are London Fletcher or Rocky, or Andre, do you even want this guy in front of you when his job would be keeping guys off of you and he said he's not interested in doing that???

[SkinsJock]

If you are London Fletcher or Rocky, or Andre, do you even want this guy in front of you when his job would be keeping guys off of you and he said he's not interested in doing that???

EXACTLY - let him come to camp and look the guys in the eye that he said were most important to him - let him be with players who are considered "starters" in the NFL that he himself said were the most important thing to him in playing the game

"c'mon down" Mr unselfish player - show up for crying out loud and tell these guys how everything you do is motivated by making sure that they can make plays and you will do everything in your power to help them do that

"C'mon down" Mr unselfish player - let Mr Haslett run your butt into the ground after all that work you have been doing this off season to be in the best possible shape for your team mates

man - I hope this guy shows up for TC - that would be priceless

do not let this guy go, PLEASE

[CanesSkins26]

Well not all of the players are against Big Al at this point...

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall is among few Redskins players who are close with Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. So it was not surprising that Hall and Haynesworth had a lengthy phone conversation Tuesday night shortly after Haynesworth revealed he would not attend the minicamp that began Wednesday and wants to be traded.

Many players harshly criticized Haynesworth, but Hall said the situation is more complicated than it seems. Haynesworth no longer trusts the Redskins because he contends they reneged on promises, and it's just a bad situation for everyone, Hall said.

"Obviously, he's made it known he doesn't want to be here and the ball's in their court," Hall said after rain-shortened practice at Redskins Park. "They can either go two ways. They can either force him to be here or they can try to help get him out of here. We look at it like he's going to do what he wants to do. It's a situation where he's made it known what he wants. They've made it known what they want and now it's a standoff. You know? It's a standoff, and he's got as much cash to stay at home as long as he wants.

"Obviously, being a player and a teammate, you want a guy like that on your team. I talked to him last night for about an hour and it's a tough situation. I understand a hundred percent where he's coming from. I don't think a lot of people understand the background behind it. I think maybe they understand a little bit after reading [about Haynesworth's stance], I think they kind of saw a little bit of it. But they might not really understand from the outside looking in."

Haynesworth thought he had found a perfect situation for himself in free agency, Hall said, but he was wrong.

"I was telling some of the coaches, man, when you're a free agent and you have the opportunity to go anywhere you want to go and it's your pick, not going in the draft and getting traded, you want to go somewhere you feel like you can prosper you can make plays," Hall said. "He felt like in the defense we had last season he could do that. I thought the same way about the defense we had. That was part of the big reason I came back. I had the chance to play in it for half a year and I liked it.

"I was like, 'I like this joint. I'm going to come back.' I love GB [Greg Blache] the coordinator. I love my position coach. But change in inevitable in the NFL. It's gonna happen eventually. We didn't win games [the team went 4-12] so we had a regime change. For me on the back end [of the new 3-4 defense] not a lot has changed. It's probably changed for the best for me. I get a chance to probably make more plays than before. So I can't complain. But had I been playing corner my whole career and then they asked me to do something completely different, I might be a little resistant to change, too."

And as for the players who are upset about Haynesworth's absence, Hall believes their comments might change if the two-time all-pro reports to training camp in late July as expected.

"I guarantee they're the same guys when he comes, or if he comes, they'll be the first ones smiling in his face," Hall said. "You know, it's funny how that works. A lot of people say a lot of stuff off the record or behind your back.

"And as soon as they get in your face, they got nothing but good things to say about you, and they're encouraging you and giving you all the praise. So, I mean, a lot of people are going to see this however they feel it affects them. Like I said, somebody might see it this way [and] might not want him back at all. Some people might [say], 'Hey bring him back. We'd love to have him.' "

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/hall-its-a-standoff-between-re.html