Haynesworth already becoming a problem?

[TheTruth]

Don't know about you but we might be saying buy buy before the trade deadline if he's not working in the new 3-4. Polls are saying he will be here but what are your thoughts?

http://www.interaskit.com/viewPoll.php?PollID=506

[fleetus]

Here's what Rod Woodson and Simon Wilcots think, including a transcript of Haynesworth's press conference when he first signed the Redskins contract last year.:

Rod Woodson nicknames Haynesworth "Big Baby"

The media crowd is running pretty close to 100 percent against Albert Haynesworth, and NFL Network analysts Rod Woodson and Solomon Wilcots didn't change that ratio much when they discussed the big defensive lineman this week.

"I think he has a new nickname: Albert 'Big Baby' Haynesworth," Woodson said. "Listen, this guy's made so much money....Remember, at the end of the day, it's about the team, it's not all about you, Albert. And I think, listening to his comments, it's all about him, what are my stats, what am I gonna do. He only had four sacks this past year, so maybe he should give some of that money back, because he didn't live up to his end of the bargain."

"Don't take the money then," Wilcots agreed. "If you don't take the money, they can move him over to another team. To whom much is given, much is required. He's already earned millions of dollars....The money didn't change. The scheme changed, [but] the money stayed the same. He's taken the money, now you've got to put in the work. And let's say this, the Redskins, they can expect him to show up for work after writing that check."

Woodson also suggested more than once that Haynesworth's concerns about the scheme are overblown, and that he would get to do plenty of havoc wreaking even in a 3-4.

"First and second down, he might be in a zero [technique], that's right over the center," Woodson said. "He might be shaded to one side or other of the center. But on third down, he could move to the end. He hasn't given this team a chance and he hasn't given the scheme a chance."

"Can I just say this?" Wilcots requested. "Go back and play the soundbites at his press conference when he signed his contract. He said, 'I'm here to do whatever the Redskins need me to do to win.' Now they need him to play a zero technique, and he's kind of changing his game a little bit. But he did cash the check."

Look, the money thing is obviously a strong current in this river that's running against Haynesworth. But Wilcots's point is an interesting one, so I went back and checked. Here's what Haynesworth said, according to a transcript:

"After talking to the coaches, I didn't talk about any money, I was talking to the coaches and seeing ˜How are you going to use me?' Regardless of the money, I wanted to see how they were going to use me, so I wouldn't just go someplace and be another guy. I wanted to be that same player, that dominant guy, and if you're going to use me that way, that's where I want to go....

"If you look at my game, I'm a player that goes straight forward. I'm a disruptive player, I take on the double-team, I free up other guys:hmm: , and that's what I want to play like. I want to be able to attack my guy, make plays, and everybody to make plays off me. So that's what I want to do. I want to do the same thing I did in Tennessee, but now I'm surrounded by a star-studded cast in my defense here. So I'm just excited, cause it's gonna be fun and I think we're gonna win a lot of games. I'm not putting pressure on us, but that's what I think....

"With the contract it's gonna be all on me. My job is, if you don't see me being really as productive, I'm gonna probably be drawing double-teams and triple-teams and it's gonna be freeing up our other guys to make plays. So to kind of judge how I'm doing, you can just see how we're doing as a team and how we're performing as far as a defense....

All I really can do is just bring me and who I am, and go out there and play ball and make plays and help my teammates make plays. You know, what I had in Tennessee was great -- seven years, we had a lot of fun, I learned a lot of stuff, good and bad. Here I'm just gonna be myself and we're gonna go out there and play ball like we've been playing."

So that's at least part of what he said. Either way, Haynesworth's camp is sure losing this PR war.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcspor ... .html#more

[VetSkinsFan]

He did allow Carter and Orakpo make plays off of him though. Even if he was questionable or didn't play the whole game, the game plan was STOP HAYNESWORTH.

I'm not condoning salary, b/c honestly, it's not my money, and I don't give a rats ass how Danny spends his money. I want to see it on the field, and honestly, it was on the field. If he can be healthier (which can help with durability and recovery times) this year, then I'm all for it too.

[GoSkins]

I would trade him asap.

[The Hogster]

I'm disgusted with Haynesworth, but from a football standpoint, I wouldn't trade him. That's exactly what HE wants and its not best for the TEAM.

The Redskins should simply call his bluff. When he comes in for mandatory stuff, and he's not in shape, then you punish him and work the snot out of him.

He's already been paid. Make him earn, or try to earn what he's made. The players are going to deal with him how they wish. But, April and May are often long forgotten months when the season starts.

If Albert comes in and delivers what he said he can by training with his "personal trainer" then the team benefits.

Unless we are getting a 1st or two 2nd round picks for him, its not worth it to trade him for the principle.

[fleetus]

I just find it rather humorous how his original Redskins press conference was all about the team and taking on double and triple teams. But now that they ask him to play some 3-4, he's not too excited about having to take on lots of double and triple teams. What happened to all that "team" stuff?

Yep, this has all be hashed, rehashed and dissected and flip upside down for further scrutiny. In the end, Haynesworth has a job to do, one that he is being paid better than anyone else at his position to do. So, he better show up to camp in the best shape of his career. He's being paid to show up in shape and he has been absent the whole off-season, so he better be ready top start learning the new system from the first minute he shows up.

[1niksder]

I just find it rather humorous how his original Redskins press conference was all about the team and taking on double and triple teams. But now that they ask him to play some 3-4, he's not too excited about having to take on lots of double and triple teams. What happened to all that "team" stuff?

Yep, this has all be hashed, rehashed and dissected and flip upside down for further scrutiny. In the end, Haynesworth has a job to do, one that he is being paid better than anyone else at his position to do. So, he better show up to camp in the best shape of his career. He's being paid to show up in shape and he has been absent the whole off-season, so he better be ready top start learning the new system from the first minute he shows up.

Here's my rehash...

AH says he wasn't given the whole story when talked to the Skins before signing last year (they signed him at warp speed something might have been missed ). He said he was told he would be allowed to "play" like he "played" in Tenn. but Greg B had him playing in a structured scheme and limited his ability to "do what he does best". This is part of the reason he isn't taking part in the voluntary off season workouts and mini camps.

Haynesworth showed up for day 1 and hasn't been back to Redskins Park and said he won't return until he has to. He said he wanted to workout with his old/former private trainer so he can return to his Pro Bowl form because working out at the Park last year wasn't cutting it.

Here's what I think...

Last year's staff/training staff are gone and it doesn't matter what kind of shape he shows up in (although I think he'll be ready to go), he'll still be behind just about every NT on the roster. He'll be behind some of the DE too. It a whole new scheme, even the 4-3 version will come with different terminology. He'll have to learn that while also learning a scheme he has never played in before (Hasslet's 3-4). Couple that with a coaching staff that he has had zero interaction with and Al will be way behind.

If Maake Kemoeatu drops a few pounds he'll be the teams starting NT, and Haynesworth will battle Adam Carriker as the backup at NT. He'll battle Carriker at DE also because Carriker has played both NT and DE for Hasslet and at 26 years old he's hunger. Hasslet has acquired a number of DL that have played in the 3-4 that have also played for him or members of his staff.

It's a new team, a new staff, new attitude (hand-off) from the owner, and new players that go long with this new 3-4 scheme.

I don't think Haynesworth is hurting the Redskins by not showing up for non mandatory drills, he's not hurting anyone by waiting until it's mandatory to be there.


Haynesworth is only hurting Haynesworth.

[Manchester_Redskin]

...... Haynesworth is only hurting Haynesworth.

I am sure the millions he has been paid for his 'efforts' so far, will ease the pain

[fredp45]

I agree with Hogster, who said:

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I'm disgusted with Haynesworth, but from a football standpoint, I wouldn't trade him. That's exactly what HE wants and its not best for the TEAM.

The Redskins should simply call his bluff. When he comes in for mandatory stuff, and he's not in shape, then you punish him and work the snot out of him.

He's already been paid. Make him earn, or try to earn what he's made. The players are going to deal with him how they wish. But, April and May are often long forgotten months when the season starts.

If Albert comes in and delivers what he said he can by training with his "personal trainer" then the team benefits.

Unless we are getting a 1st or two 2nd round picks for him, its not worth it to trade him for the principle.

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Our DLine with Albert would be fantastic - you could make a case for it being the best front 3 in the NFL. I would NOT give him away. He is not only the best DLine in the league (when in shape) but his contract for the next 3 years is extremely affordable. He's a bargain now. Honestly, I don't care about Danny's money, there isn't a cap, it doesn't hurt me or the Skins.

I WOULD trade Albert if we could get a quality OT for the right (or left) side. I don't feel comfortable with Hicks or Heyer or Capers or Mike Wms starting there. There was some talk about the Saints wanting to get rid of Jammal Brown: http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8428

He apparently is doing an Albert right now, i.e., not coming to the Saints OTAs. To get him would really make a huge difference to our offensive line. In fact, once they come together as a line, they'll be pretty darn good. Of course, Danny would have to pay a ton to sign Brown, but again, what do I care?? Give him some fat deal year 1 for the no cap year and make his salaries affordable going forward.

The issue now, like every other malcontent that we've had, everyone knows we're pissed off about him and want to get him off our team, his value is down. Maybe a team will make a good deal if they lose someone in camp to injury and Albert has come to camp in shape (oh yeah, sure!!!)

Again, don't give the guy away -- either he stays and is a force as a DE or we get something good in return. If he pisses the coaches off, bench him. Don't let him get what he wants.

[chiefhog44]

Quite frankly, I'm tired of the distraction

[SkinsJock]

I just spent a few days with friend of mine who indicated that he had heard that Haynesworth is going to show up in great shape for the season and is looking forward to working with this defensive staff and players

could this be another case of the media trying to make something out of nothing

[chiefhog44]

I just spent a few days with friend of mine who indicated that he had heard that Haynesworth is going to show up in great shape for the season and is looking forward to working with this defensive staff and players

could this be another case of the media trying to make something out of nothing

Depends who your friend is

[fleetus]

I just spent a few days with friend of mine who indicated that he had heard that Haynesworth is going to show up in great shape for the season and is looking forward to working with this defensive staff and players

could this be another case of the media trying to make something out of nothing

Depends who your friend is

1) Showing up in great shape remains to be seen.
2) He's still has zero preparation for playing in an entirely new defensive scheme depsite being the highest paid player on the team.
3) He still has shown the lowest regard for his teammates and the expectation that he might be a team leader by refusing to particiapte in anything other than "mandatory" workouts. Guess he requires another $40M to show up for anything other than the bare minimum asked of him.

In my mind, the only way he repairs the damage from this off-season is to play harder than he ever has in his career, make the Pro Bowl and not continue his pattern of negative comments and off field disruptions. I give it a 100-1 shot.

[CanesSkins26]

2) He's still has zero preparation for playing in an entirely new defensive scheme depsite being the highest paid player on the team.

Any you know this how? Are you privy to all of Big Al's communications with the team? Do you know for certain that he isn't studying game film or learning the playbook? He has all of training camp to get up to speed. It's not like he's a qb learning a new system, he's a defensive lineman. The learning curve, even with a new defense, isn't that steep.

3) He still has shown the lowest regard for his teammates and the expectation that he might be a team leader by refusing to particiapte in anything other than "mandatory" workouts. Guess he requires another $40M to show up for anything other than the bare minimum asked of him.

Lots of players don't attend voluntary workouts. CP has missed them in the past, so did Sean Taylor. Other players that have missed some of their team's voluntary workouts this year: Robert Mathis, Darrel Revis, Andre Johnson, Antoine Bethea, Reggie Wayne, Patrick Crayton, Sheldon Brown, Asante Samuel, etc.

I know that it's the offseason and news is sparse, but there is no need to overreact to things that aren't even that big of a deal.

[SkinsJock]

making the Pro Bowl is certainly no great deal - the Pro Bowl IMO is only slightly more relevant than Fantasy Football and I have absolutely zero interest in that stupid activity either

Haynesworth showing up in great shape and looking to try and help his coaches and the players around him are all that is really important


there is no question that he should be here - but there is no doubt in my mind that the media have mis-represented what is really happening here ... as usual

[1niksder]

In my mind, the only way he repairs the damage from this off-season is to play harder than he ever has in his career, make the Pro Bowl and not continue his pattern of negative comments and off field disruptions. I give it a 100-1 shot.

What damage has he caused this off season that needs repairing?
He chose not to show up for voluntary workouts, that gave others a chance to get snaps and hands on work that they would have not have gotten if AH had been there.

Why does he have to make the pro bowl (it's just a popularity contest)?
Wouldn't it be better if he continued to simply make the players around him better.

What pattern of negative comments has he made this off season?
What the media speculates and what he actually said are miles apart, but because the media is the only ones commenting on how he feels they must be correct. The only quote I've seen that wasn't rehashed from last year was this:

"I haven't really had a whole lot of conversations about it to them," he said of his new coaches, whom he praised several times. "I don't know, I guess whatever. I don't know what I'm supposed to do or to say. I'm under contract there, so there's nothing I can really say about it....You look at all the nose tackles in the NFL, they're all the same type guys. Like me, I'm 6-6, 330, 340 pounds, whatever. Most of those guys are short, stubbier, pretty much stump-type guys. I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest."

If you are looking for the source the media used for this "off-season long" non story it has to be when Al said "I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest". That's not him saying he wouldn't play NT or that he wanted to be traded, but that's where the media took it.

It didn't matter that in the same interview he said:

"Hopefully they put me at end and that's where I play at. End in 3-4 is the same thing as a defensive tackle in the 4-3, I believe."

He said that after saying:

"We've got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."

Off field disruptions?
What has been disrupted by AH? OTAs went on as scheduled, mini camps weren't disrupted, no one is in jail or facing any charges based on anything Al has done since coming a Redskins.

One of three things can happen this week.

1. He shows up in shape, he's plugged in with the first unit and they move on quickly.

2. He shows up out of shape and the media has more fuel for their rumors of a trade.

3. He shows up in shape, Shanny and Haslett work him with a lower unit, saying he's behind in learning the new system, and it's time for him to put in extra work to catch up.


I think it will No. 3 but hope it's No. 1. He's never played in the 3-4 and Haslett has said he'll play him across the defensive front so there will be some catching up to do.

I'll say it again the only damage that has been done by Haynesworth refusing to participate in voluntary offseason workouts has been done to Haynesworth. Most of which will all be forgotten by the start of the season if he shows up in shape two days from now. The only permanent damage will be his role as a team leader, Shanny pretty much said his team leaders would be there for all the off season work.

[VetSkinsFan]

In my mind, the only way he repairs the damage from this off-season is to play harder than he ever has in his career, make the Pro Bowl and not continue his pattern of negative comments and off field disruptions. I give it a 100-1 shot.

What damage has he caused this off season that needs repairing?
He chose not to show up for voluntary workouts, that gave others a chance to get snaps and hands on work that they would have not have gotten if AH had been there.

Why does he have to make the pro bowl (it's just a popularity contest)?
Wouldn't it be better if he continued to simply make the players around him better.

What pattern of negative comments has he made this off season?
What the media speculates and what he actually said are miles apart, but because the media is the only ones commenting on how he feels they must be correct. The only quote I've seen that wasn't rehashed from last year was this:

"I haven't really had a whole lot of conversations about it to them," he said of his new coaches, whom he praised several times. "I don't know, I guess whatever. I don't know what I'm supposed to do or to say. I'm under contract there, so there's nothing I can really say about it....You look at all the nose tackles in the NFL, they're all the same type guys. Like me, I'm 6-6, 330, 340 pounds, whatever. Most of those guys are short, stubbier, pretty much stump-type guys. I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest."

If you are looking for the source the media used for this "off-season long" non story it has to be when Al said "I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest". That's not him saying he wouldn't play NT or that he wanted to be traded, but that's where the media took it.

It didn't matter that in the same interview he said:

"Hopefully they put me at end and that's where I play at. End in 3-4 is the same thing as a defensive tackle in the 4-3, I believe."

He said that after saying:

"We've got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."

Off field disruptions?
What has been disrupted by AH? OTAs went on as scheduled, mini camps weren't disrupted, no one is in jail or facing any charges based on anything Al has done since coming a Redskins.

One of three things can happen this week.

1. He shows up in shape, he's plugged in with the first unit and they move on quickly.

2. He shows up out of shape and the media has more fuel for their rumors of a trade.

3. He shows up in shape, Shanny and Haslett work him with a lower unit, saying he's behind in learning the new system, and it's time for him to put in extra work to catch up.


I think it will No. 3 but hope it's No. 1. He's never played in the 3-4 and Haslett has said he'll play him across the defensive front so there will be some catching up to do.

I'll say it again the only damage that has been done by Haynesworth refusing to participate in voluntary offseason workouts has been done to Haynesworth. Most of which will all be forgotten by the start of the season if he shows up in shape two days from now. The only permanent damage will be his role as a team leader, Shanny pretty much said his team leaders would be there for all the off season work.

I don't think there's anything else to say...

[SKINFAN]

I just hope they use him better than Blache did, I mean like do stunts and schemes specifically on his side.

[SkinsJock]

I just hope they use him better than Blache did, I mean like do stunts and schemes specifically on his side.

maybe it's just me - BUT - is there anyone that has any doubts that things are not only going to be a LOT different but there's a chance that this franchise might have an offense and defense we can all be proud of AND soon

geez Louise - c'mon guys - the people in charge here know what they're doing and this franchise is not going to be ANYTHING like what we have been seeing for the past 10 years - it's going to take a little time, but we are not going to see anything like the travesty we saw the past 2 years here



Williams and Blache are just fond memories - we are going to see a much more aggressive style of defense here than those 2 pansies put on the field in B&G

[HEROHAMO]

Its simple Als attitudes sucks. Al is still the best player on the team. His talent on the line is needed. I hate to make exceptions but there are few players that warrant exception. So long as he wreaks havoc on the defensive line and the rest of the team stays on task. Then we should be ok.

The whole team knows Big Als attitude stinks, but they also know Big Al still gets his job done.

[VetSkinsFan]

Its simple Als attitudes sucks. Al is still the best player on the team. His talent on the line is needed. I hate to make exceptions but there are few players that warrant exception. So long as he wreaks havoc on the defensive line and the rest of the team stays on task. Then we should be ok.

The whole team knows Big Als attitude stinks, but they also know Big Al still gets his job done.

I still don't see where 'his attitude sucks.' He's no Fletcher, but come on, he's not that bad. I think people just like to use tissues around here just because they can.

[SkinsJock]

I agree Vet - as others here have pointed out, we are most likely not getting the full 'story' - We all think that Haynesworth should be with the other members of his team but we really do not know what's going on both in his head AND with the communication between Haynesworth and both Mike and Haslett


Hopefully, Haynesworth shows up in great shape and ready to help the guys around him and the defensive coaches - it would seem to some of us that Haynesworth may only be 'hurting' himself here and the media are maybe just making more of the situation than exists - AND how much is he really hurting us by being a little behind if he shows up in great shape




Haynesworth is still one of the most dominant defensive players in the NFL - it seems to me that Shanahan and Haslett are going to take full advantage of that - IF Haynesworth shows up in great shape, despite the fact that he might be behind a little, everyone benefits - Haynesworth, Shanahan, Haslett and the defense

[GoSkins]

I hope Big Al shows up for the mandatory mini camp. Coach Shanahan believes Big Al will definitely have a lot of catching up to do. And as of the date of this linked article Coach Shanahan has not talked to Big Al.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Sh ... 122842.jsp

[chiefhog44]

In my mind, the only way he repairs the damage from this off-season is to play harder than he ever has in his career, make the Pro Bowl and not continue his pattern of negative comments and off field disruptions. I give it a 100-1 shot.

What damage has he caused this off season that needs repairing?
He chose not to show up for voluntary workouts, that gave others a chance to get snaps and hands on work that they would have not have gotten if AH had been there.

Why does he have to make the pro bowl (it's just a popularity contest)?
Wouldn't it be better if he continued to simply make the players around him better.

What pattern of negative comments has he made this off season?
What the media speculates and what he actually said are miles apart, but because the media is the only ones commenting on how he feels they must be correct. The only quote I've seen that wasn't rehashed from last year was this:

"I haven't really had a whole lot of conversations about it to them," he said of his new coaches, whom he praised several times. "I don't know, I guess whatever. I don't know what I'm supposed to do or to say. I'm under contract there, so there's nothing I can really say about it....You look at all the nose tackles in the NFL, they're all the same type guys. Like me, I'm 6-6, 330, 340 pounds, whatever. Most of those guys are short, stubbier, pretty much stump-type guys. I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest."

If you are looking for the source the media used for this "off-season long" non story it has to be when Al said "I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest". That's not him saying he wouldn't play NT or that he wanted to be traded, but that's where the media took it.

It didn't matter that in the same interview he said:

"Hopefully they put me at end and that's where I play at. End in 3-4 is the same thing as a defensive tackle in the 4-3, I believe."

He said that after saying:

"We've got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."

Off field disruptions?
What has been disrupted by AH? OTAs went on as scheduled, mini camps weren't disrupted, no one is in jail or facing any charges based on anything Al has done since coming a Redskins.

One of three things can happen this week.

1. He shows up in shape, he's plugged in with the first unit and they move on quickly.

2. He shows up out of shape and the media has more fuel for their rumors of a trade.

3. He shows up in shape, Shanny and Haslett work him with a lower unit, saying he's behind in learning the new system, and it's time for him to put in extra work to catch up.


I think it will No. 3 but hope it's No. 1. He's never played in the 3-4 and Haslett has said he'll play him across the defensive front so there will be some catching up to do.

I'll say it again the only damage that has been done by Haynesworth refusing to participate in voluntary offseason workouts has been done to Haynesworth. Most of which will all be forgotten by the start of the season if he shows up in shape two days from now. The only permanent damage will be his role as a team leader, Shanny pretty much said his team leaders would be there for all the off season work.

I don't think there's anything else to say...

Not sure but do you guys have a new tune today, or are you waiting until you actually see him not show up. Talk about an ugly situation getting uglier...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... insinsider

[VetSkinsFan]

In my mind, the only way he repairs the damage from this off-season is to play harder than he ever has in his career, make the Pro Bowl and not continue his pattern of negative comments and off field disruptions. I give it a 100-1 shot.

What damage has he caused this off season that needs repairing?
He chose not to show up for voluntary workouts, that gave others a chance to get snaps and hands on work that they would have not have gotten if AH had been there.

Why does he have to make the pro bowl (it's just a popularity contest)?
Wouldn't it be better if he continued to simply make the players around him better.

What pattern of negative comments has he made this off season?
What the media speculates and what he actually said are miles apart, but because the media is the only ones commenting on how he feels they must be correct. The only quote I've seen that wasn't rehashed from last year was this:

"I haven't really had a whole lot of conversations about it to them," he said of his new coaches, whom he praised several times. "I don't know, I guess whatever. I don't know what I'm supposed to do or to say. I'm under contract there, so there's nothing I can really say about it....You look at all the nose tackles in the NFL, they're all the same type guys. Like me, I'm 6-6, 330, 340 pounds, whatever. Most of those guys are short, stubbier, pretty much stump-type guys. I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest."

If you are looking for the source the media used for this "off-season long" non story it has to be when Al said "I don't think I'm built to be a nose tackle, to be honest". That's not him saying he wouldn't play NT or that he wanted to be traded, but that's where the media took it.

It didn't matter that in the same interview he said:

"Hopefully they put me at end and that's where I play at. End in 3-4 is the same thing as a defensive tackle in the 4-3, I believe."

He said that after saying:

"We've got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."

Off field disruptions?
What has been disrupted by AH? OTAs went on as scheduled, mini camps weren't disrupted, no one is in jail or facing any charges based on anything Al has done since coming a Redskins.

One of three things can happen this week.

1. He shows up in shape, he's plugged in with the first unit and they move on quickly.

2. He shows up out of shape and the media has more fuel for their rumors of a trade.

3. He shows up in shape, Shanny and Haslett work him with a lower unit, saying he's behind in learning the new system, and it's time for him to put in extra work to catch up.


I think it will No. 3 but hope it's No. 1. He's never played in the 3-4 and Haslett has said he'll play him across the defensive front so there will be some catching up to do.

I'll say it again the only damage that has been done by Haynesworth refusing to participate in voluntary offseason workouts has been done to Haynesworth. Most of which will all be forgotten by the start of the season if he shows up in shape two days from now. The only permanent damage will be his role as a team leader, Shanny pretty much said his team leaders would be there for all the off season work.

I don't think there's anything else to say...

Not sure but do you guys have a new tune today, or are you waiting until you actually see him not show up. Talk about an ugly situation getting uglier...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... insinsider

What the hell does that mean? Nothing besides assumptions and gossip supported him being anything disruptive before yesterday when this was announced. So now I'm not allowed to change a PoV when NEW FACTS (not gossip or assumptions) are introduced? Get over yourself.