A Redskin Juicing? UPDATE: Santana Moss named

[JansenFan]

I believe the non-NFL athlete will turn out to be Obama.

[langleyparkjoe]

I believe the non-NFL athlete will turn out to be Obama.

Oh that's deep! I mean he does play basketball too.. may need some juice to keep up with the younger guys..

[Skinna Mob]

Santana Moss was treated by Dr. Anthony Galea, who is being charged with smuggling muscle-building drugs into the U.S., according to the Buffalo News.
That's the bad news. The good news for Moss is that he won't face any criminal charges. Like the other athletes in this case, he's being used as a witness against Galea, not a target. Moss used Galea while treating an injury last September. Galea is accused of illegally distributing HGH, among other things. It remains to be seen if the NFL will review the case for possible disciple against Moss.

http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/05/20/1056021/nfl-name-emerges-in-doping-case.html

[CanesSkins26]

Santana Moss received HGH from accused Canadian doctor, source says

By Rick Maese and Barry Svrluga
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 20, 2010
Washington Redskins' receiver Santana Moss was among the professional athletes who received human growth hormone from Canadian doctor Anthony Galea, according to a source familiar with the investigation. On Tuesday, Galea was charged with smuggling and distributing HGH.

Moss would not discuss the matter at Redskins Park on Wednesday.

"I'll talk about football. I don't know about nothing else," Moss said. "I ain't got nothing to do with nothing that ain't about me."

Moss's name was first reported today by the Buffalo News. The newspaper, which cited unidentified sources close to the case in its report, said that at this point federal prosecutors do not intend to file criminal charges against Moss or any other athlete with connections to the doctor.

Redskins senior vice president Tony Wyllie said, "This is an off-the-field matter. I'm going to refer all questions to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus."

Rosenhaus did not immediately return messages seeking comment.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello issued a statement Tuesday saying the NFL did not know the identities of any of the players listed in the criminal complaint filed Tuesday by the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Human growth hormone is among the banned substances in the NFL. Though the league doesn't specifically test for it, players are still subject to punishment if they're known to be in violation of the league's drug policy.

The Redskins concluded their first set of organized team activities Wednesday at Redskins Park and Moss was asked to address the subject afterward.

Moss, who is sitting out much of the Redskins' offseason work so that he can rehabilitate his left knee after minor surgery, said he wouldn't comment on whether he had ever met or been treated by the doctor.

"I'm telling you right now, I'm talking about football," Moss said. "You talk about football. Anything else out of that, no."

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said Wednesday the team has not been contacted regarding the federal investigation.

"We'll let the due process take care of itself," Shanahan said. "But I'm not going to answer to every type of question that comes -- some doctor comes to town and supposedly is seeing a player. The NFL is on top of all those things. If there's any validity to it, they will contact me and contact our organization, which they have not done."

The complaint Tuesday did not reveal the names of the players who were involved in the case. According to the complaint, Galea's medical assistant Mary Anne Catalano was on her way to Washington to meet Galea and an NFL player on Sept. 14, 2009, when she was arrested at the U.S.-Canada border with banned substances, syringes and other medical equipment in her vehicle. The Buffalo News reported that the player was Moss.

Earlier this month, when he sat out of a team minicamp, Moss said he had been dealing with knee problems for three years and had finally decided to deal with them surgically. Though he has played in all 16 games in each of the last two seasons, he missed two games each in 2006 and 2007, and he occasionally missed practice time because of knee problems during that time.

"I had some stuff that was bothering me from years before, and I just decided to get it done," Moss said of the surgery.

Moss, who turns 31 next month, has played nine NFL seasons, the last five with the Redskins. He has 500 catches for 7,443 yards and 46 touchdowns, and is coming off his second straight season with at least 70 receptions. He is expected to be recovered from his injury in time for the team's June minicamp.

"I ain't bothering nobody," he said Wednesday. "I'm rehabbing. Getting better."

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said Wednesday the team has not been contacted regarding the federal investigation.

"We'll let the due process take care of itself," Shanahan said. "But I'm not going to answer to every type of question that comes -- some doctor comes to town and supposedly is seeing a player. The NFL is on top of all those things. If there's any validity to it, they will contact me and contact our organization, which they have not done."

Galea was charged Tuesday with, among other things, illegally bringing human growth hormone over the border on several trips to treat professional baseball and football players as well as golfers. Most Redskins players and coaches insisted Tuesday, following an offseason workout, that they weren't aware of the player's identity.

"We really don't know," linebacker Andre Carter said. "But if that day does come up, and they discuss who the suspect is, we'll plan accordingly. But regardless, if he did or didn't make that mistake, he's still family. We won't turn our backs on him. We just got to go along with it."

The issue dominated discussion during the first of four sessions of "organized team activities," which concluded Wednesday. When news broke that a Redskin was involved in the investigation on Tuesday, players' cell phones began lighting up with text messages. Some said it could affect preparations for Shanahan's first season as head coach -- particularly if the player is suspended by the NFL.

"It's kind of disappointing, as far as that whole deal goes," receiver Malcolm Kelly said. "A lot of people are accused of doing it all the time. To come out now when we're out trying to get everything together, it's just another distraction."

Several Redskins also acknowledged the pressure NFL players are under to overcome injuries and return to the field. But veteran defensive end Phillip Daniels -- who has endured several injuries during a 13-year career -- said a player who knowingly used HGH could be viewed differently in the locker room.

"There's no excuse," Daniels said. "Every guy knows that we can't use that. Every guy knows that. You know if you're using it, that ain't a good thing.

"Any other supplement that you use -- I can see something over the counter, that you bought at the store, you get tested and you come up positive. That's different. You didn't know it was in there. But HGH, you know what that is. You know what that is. There's really no excuse."

Daniels said he frequently calls an information line established by the NFL Players Association -- sometimes for himself, sometimes on behalf of teammates -- to ask questions about supplements players are considering taking. "Even if you call it in, they tell you you're still responsible for what you put in your body," Daniels said.

It is not, though, unusual for players to seek treatment outside of the team's staff, be it for physical conditioning or treatment of injuries.

"I've had guys who've had five or six people work on them all the time -- massages, their own workout people," Shanahan said. "Everybody's a little bit different with how they take care of their body."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052001590.html?hpid=topnews

[USAFSkinFan]

I think I've heard groundless speculation on 9 players so far.

That means that 8, possibly 9 of you are going to be wrong.

How many will return to this thread to retract, once the name is brought out?

I think this guy is full of S actually. I mean he is also linked to Tiger Woods. In my opinion it sounds like another guy that gets busted with stuff and then realizes eventually if he breaks enough names that he has worked with maybe without using PEDs that he can get publicity. I dont think anyone is actually accusing anyone its more of a "If it had to be someone...". LL was extremely jacked in college too so I think he just is that much of a workout beast.

It wasn't the Doc that started this. His assistant got busted at the border carrying HGH and she started naming names...

[riggofan]

Santana Moss, eh? Didn't see that one coming.

Seriously, anybody ever looked at Moss and thought, "Oh yeah, that guy is definitely juicing"?

True or not, I wonder if the league will actually be able to do anything about this. Moss hasn't tested positive for anything.

[Countertrey]

Santana Moss, eh? Didn't see that one coming.

Seriously, anybody ever looked at Moss and thought, "Oh yeah, that guy is definitely juicing"?

True or not, I wonder if the league will actually be able to do anything about this. Moss hasn't tested positive for anything.

In case you haven't noticed, the NFL is not obligated to "beyond a reasonable doubt".

I'm not sure how the rule is written, but if it's at all similar to the rules governing off-field behavior, the NFL won't need a positive test... If Santana's name is on the list, and the dates and times match up...

Those sophomore receivers better be getting their mojo on... 'cause #89 may find himself sitting for a bit.

[langleyparkjoe]

Santana Moss, eh? Didn't see that one coming.

Seriously, anybody ever looked at Moss and thought, "Oh yeah, that guy is definitely juicing"?

True or not, I wonder if the league will actually be able to do anything about this. Moss hasn't tested positive for anything.

In case you haven't noticed, the NFL is not obligated to "beyond a reasonable doubt".

I'm not sure how the rule is written, but if it's at all similar to the rules governing off-field behavior, the NFL won't need a positive test... If Santana's name is on the list, and the dates and times match up...

Those sophomore receivers better be getting their mojo on... 'cause #89 may find himself sitting for a bit.

Right bro, they better start getting prepared in case of something

[SkinsJock]

they suspended Rodney Harrison for HGH and they will surely suspend Santana and anyone else they can find from that list

Dr Galea's attorney is also not helping anyone by stating that the only reason the NFL athletes were using HGH was to get themselves well again quicker, NOT because they were trying to make themselves better athletes - how stupid is this guy -

[brad7686]

I think stick'em would have helped him more than HGH. In all seriousness, they can't prove he took it. But he may confess if they ask him to testify, I don't know.

[CanesSkins26]

He'll get 4 games for this, no doubt about it.

[Chris Luva Luva]

So... Redskin fans are eager to string the kid up before it's even revealed who it is? LOL Yikes.

[langleyparkjoe]

... we still going to the SB, with or w/out Mr. Moss.. but I hope its with him

[SkinsJock]

not really Chris - Santana's name has been mentioned as being one of the players that had dealings with this Dr Galea - these treatments are available legally in the USA - BUT athletes that deal with Dr Galea are obviously looking to do something illegal otherwise why not go through the proper LEGAL channels that are available to them

HOWEVER any player that took HGH or any PED deserves to be treated fairly AND suspended if the NFL finds just cause to do that - every athlete that takes ANYTHING to 'get an edge' deserves to be treated accordingly

[PalmettoSkinsfan]

I agree with Phillip Daniels. This is not an over the counter supplement. Every player knows they cannot use this. If you get caught, serve the 4 games and go on with life. No it is just a matter of the NFL needs legal proof or Goodell proof.

[skinsfan#33]

I think I've heard groundless speculation on 9 players so far.

That means that 8, possibly 9 of you are going to be wrong.

How many will return to this thread to retract, once the name is brought out?

Not, me! Mine was more a joke about the size of Sellers' head!

[Chris Luva Luva]

I'm not saying whomever it is shouldn't face consequences...

I'm just saying that we don't know FACTUALLY who it is yet and people already have pitchforks out. Not just here but on ES too. LOL #bloodthirsty #killthewitch

[CanesSkins26]

I'm not saying whomever it is shouldn't face consequences...

I'm just saying that we don't know FACTUALLY who it is yet and people already have pitchforks out. Not just here but on ES too. LOL #bloodthirsty #killthewitch

It's because people are naive enough to think that the use of steroids/HGH isn't widespread in the NFL. As a result, every time something like this is mentioned people freak out and start spouting off about how wrong it is that Player X used something when in fact a significant number of players are doing the same thing.

[langleyparkjoe]

I'm not saying whomever it is shouldn't face consequences...

I'm just saying that we don't know FACTUALLY who it is yet and people already have pitchforks out. Not just here but on ES too. LOL #bloodthirsty #killthewitch

It's because people are naive enough to think that the use of steroids/HGH isn't widespread in the NFL. As a result, every time something like this is mentioned people freak out and start spouting off about how wrong it is that Player X used something when in fact a significant number of players are doing the same thing.

I'm not even going to hide bro.. I'm one of those people. As soon as I hear "Player X" was involved in whatever, I'm like.. "GIVE HIM THE CHAIR"! before the truth really comes out. Usually I don't mind eating crow though because I always hope NFL players stopped using the garbage.. like in MLB, I can really care less but football is my one true love.. besides my God, kid, wife, family, mary wana have fun.. etc..

[CanesSkins26]

I'm not saying whomever it is shouldn't face consequences...

I'm just saying that we don't know FACTUALLY who it is yet and people already have pitchforks out. Not just here but on ES too. LOL #bloodthirsty #killthewitch

It's because people are naive enough to think that the use of steroids/HGH isn't widespread in the NFL. As a result, every time something like this is mentioned people freak out and start spouting off about how wrong it is that Player X used something when in fact a significant number of players are doing the same thing.

I'm not even going to hide bro.. I'm one of those people. As soon as I hear "Player X" was involved in whatever, I'm like.. "GIVE HIM THE CHAIR"! before the truth really comes out. Usually I don't mind eating crow though because I always hope NFL players stopped using the garbage.. like in MLB, I can really care less but football is my one true love.. besides my God, kid, wife, family, mary wana have fun.. etc..

I understand what you're saying, I just think that it's unrealistic to think that players in any sport aren't using performance enhancing drugs on a pretty wide scale. Sports is a big business and many players will do whatever they can, legally or illegally, to get an edge.

As crazy as it sounds, I can't say that I'd blame them either. If a guy is struggling or knows that others around him are doing it, it's not surprising that players use this stuff. Most guys, especially in the NFL, only have a few years to earn their money so I find it hard to rip guys for doing all that they can to make money. Sure we'd all like sports to be 100% clean, but it just isn't going to happen.

[lowtharofthehill]

I think this might drive the redskins to sign Westbrook in the next couple days. Rumors have been we want him as a slot receiver and not really a RB. While moss doesnt play much slot/Z reciever it forces a guy who would be there to the outside.

Or it also could mean that the T.O. rumors are going to hit full throttle to the redskins again.

[Bob 0119]

Wow, Santana Moss, didn't see that one...

[Countertrey]

I'm not saying whomever it is shouldn't face consequences...

I'm just saying that we don't know FACTUALLY who it is yet and people already have pitchforks out. Not just here but on ES too. LOL #bloodthirsty #killthewitch

Perhaps...

But, have you seen the "interview" he did? I can tell the difference between a denial and obfuscation... can't you?

Do you see a denial here?

[yupchagee]

I'm not saying whomever it is shouldn't face consequences...

I'm just saying that we don't know FACTUALLY who it is yet and people already have pitchforks out. Not just here but on ES too. LOL #bloodthirsty #killthewitch

Perhaps...

But, have you seen the "interview" he did? I can tell the difference between a denial and obfuscation... can't you?

Do you see a denial here?

He comes accross as being inartuculate, a common trait among pro athletes.

[Countertrey]

Call it what you want... he struck me as deliberately evasive... just as the reporter saw it...

Even an inarticulate man can say "Nawwww... not me, man."