Post Draft, What Are Our Needs?

[SkinsJock]

Haslett has said that he will be more looking to playing a 2 safety scheme than a more traditional SS and FS - he is not saying that if the opportunity to find a better FS came along that he wouldn't take advantage - I feel he is just trying to best utilize the talents of the players he has here and the safeties are going to play closer to the line and if the scheme calls for it then one will drop a bit further back OR have more of a FS responsibility

this is more about best using the talents of the players you have IMO than trying to make players fit the scheme you'd like to run

this is still very early to be actually looking at who is doing what here - players will be added and we are certainly going to lose a lot of players


we were 4-12 - hopefully, we see a lot of changes in both players and how we do things

[VetSkinsFan]

Haslett has said that he will be more looking to playing a 2 safety scheme than a more traditional SS and FS - he is not saying that if the opportunity to find a better FS came along that he wouldn't take advantage - I feel he is just trying to best utilize the talents of the players he has here and the safeties are going to play closer to the line and if the scheme calls for it then one will drop a bit further back OR have more of a FS responsibility

this is more about best using the talents of the players you have IMO than trying to make players fit the scheme you'd like to run

this is still very early to be actually looking at who is doing what here - players will be added and we are certainly going to lose a lot of players


we were 4-12 - hopefully, we see a lot of changes in both players and how we do things

I hope he changes his mind, b/c we don't have the safeties to best utilize the 2 safety secondary as opposed to FS/SS scheme IMO.

[SkinsJock]

I hear you Vet but this is very early to be too concerned about who is here and what sort of defensive set up is going to be installed

let me put it a little differently - these guys (Shanahan & Haslett) are IMO going to have a more effective defensive scheme and a better defense than we have seen here recently, mainly because they will design the defense around what they feel will give the players they have the best chance to execute the game plan and not like we have seen here recently when very talented players were in many cases being put in situations that did not take advantage of both their talents and the offense the co-ordinators were trying to game plan against

we need to let these guys keep putting together the pieces here - IMO we need to completely change both the attitude and make up of this franchise and that will not happen in one season

some of us seem to be thinking we can be an effective and consistently competitive team again in a very short time - this 4-12 franchise is not becoming a playoff franchise in a year - dream on

[FireVinny]

Any thoughts on my Kevin Barnes to FS suggestion? Am I imagining having read something about one of the corners moving to FS? If so, I think he should be the guy, based on: the Best hit (and general tackling skill), his wonderlic score (I would call MLB quarterback of the def, but some folks apply the tag to FS as well), and his speed.

As far as the 2 safety scheme, I don't know exactly how that works, but it would seem that you still need at least one of the safeties on the field to be able to help out the corners over the top. I do appreciate trying to fit the scheme to the personnel we have, and maybe that means our safety situation is less of a "mess." Still, it probably means another year of giving up a lot of long passes.

[The Hogster]

Any thoughts on my Kevin Barnes to FS suggestion? Am I imagining having read something about one of the corners moving to FS? If so, I think he should be the guy, based on: the Best hit (and general tackling skill), his wonderlic score (I would call MLB quarterback of the def, but some folks apply the tag to FS as well), and his speed.

As far as the 2 safety scheme, I don't know exactly how that works, but it would seem that you still need at least one of the safeties on the field to be able to help out the corners over the top. I do appreciate trying to fit the scheme to the personnel we have, and maybe that means our safety situation is less of a "mess." Still, it probably means another year of giving up a lot of long passes.

He might be able to work-in there. But, I'd think that Phillip Buchannon would be better suited for the position. Veteran corners have seen the looks and know the position a bit better than inexperienced corners. Also, it's a proven transition for older, experienced corners to slide over to Free Safety.

It will be interesting though.

[yupchagee]

I don't see a "mess" at safety. LL probably starts alongside Doughty or Horton.

None of those three can play free safety.

They're all terrible in deep pass coverage, and Doughty and Horton are pretty average at strong safety, too. Landry has stated flat out that he's switching to SS, where Doughty and Horton played last year. Horton has never played FS, and given his past struggles in pass coverage, I doubt he'd succeed. Doughty was a FS in college, but he was terrible at the position in '07, before switching with Landry.

Three guys at SS and none at FS (apologies to Kareem Moore). That's a mess.

But, sorry, you're right: I was probably overstating Hicks' value... what I should have said is that EVERYONE on our OL is weak or unproven. CR used to be an above average center, but that time has passed.

I seem to remember Landry & Doughty playing well together after Taylor's murder. I think they were missused the last 2 years.

[crazyhorse1]

Haslett has said that he will be more looking to playing a 2 safety scheme than a more traditional SS and FS - he is not saying that if the opportunity to find a better FS came along that he wouldn't take advantage - I feel he is just trying to best utilize the talents of the players he has here and the safeties are going to play closer to the line and if the scheme calls for it then one will drop a bit further back OR have more of a FS responsibility

this is more about best using the talents of the players you have IMO than trying to make players fit the scheme you'd like to run

this is still very early to be actually looking at who is doing what here - players will be added and we are certainly going to lose a lot of players


we were 4-12 - hopefully, we see a lot of changes in both players and how we do things

.

I hope he changes his mind, b/c we don't have the safeties to best utilize the 2 safety secondary as opposed to FS/SS scheme IMO.

Our two safety scheme means that our safties will take turns getting torched.

[PulpExposure]

Haslett has said that he will be more looking to playing a 2 safety scheme than a more traditional SS and FS - he is not saying that if the opportunity to find a better FS came along that he wouldn't take advantage - I feel he is just trying to best utilize the talents of the players he has here and the safeties are going to play closer to the line and if the scheme calls for it then one will drop a bit further back OR have more of a FS responsibility

this is more about best using the talents of the players you have IMO than trying to make players fit the scheme you'd like to run

this is still very early to be actually looking at who is doing what here - players will be added and we are certainly going to lose a lot of players


we were 4-12 - hopefully, we see a lot of changes in both players and how we do things

.

I hope he changes his mind, b/c we don't have the safeties to best utilize the 2 safety secondary as opposed to FS/SS scheme IMO.

Our two safety scheme means that our safties will take turns getting torched.

At least by taking turns it's more fair...