[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 240: Undefined array key 1 Haynesworth Still On The Trade Block? - Page 2 - The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era
Jake wrote:They restructured Al and DeAngelo's deals a few weeks ago so that they can pay back a large portion of their 2011 salary if they want to get out of their contracts NEXT year.
And they just paid Al a roster bonus of $21 million last week, I believe, so I don't know why they would wait to move him until after that check gets paid.
He becomes much easier to trade. Nobody would have gone after him knowing that they'd have to pay him $21 million as soon as they signed him. Danny will just eat that cost in the uncapped year, so it doesn't necessarily hurt the Skins to get rid of him just after paying it, either.
So what did Fat Al do for US during his ONE year contract? Absolutely NOTHING.... what a waste of humanity....!!!
Do you really think he didn't contribute substantially to our D's performance? Or are you just saying that for rhetorical effect?
Let's see. Carter had his best season as a Skin, our team sack totals more than doubled from the previous season without him, and no one ran up the middle on us when he was in. Yep, you're right, he added nothing.
Really.... we were 8/8 in 2008 and 4/12 in 2009.... Fat Al helped up win more games....NOT.
VetSkinsFan wrote:Jesus, the man's taking it in to his own hands to get a trainer to give him 1vs1 attention. The same guy who got him to his peak performance. How is this an issue. As WaPo was quoted, the team is not upset (which probably includes Shanahan it's safe to assume). If you don't like the dude, that's fine, but don't attempt (poorly) to twist details to your agenda.
... Shanahan stated day one that he wanted 100% participation. Has Shanahan retracted that? Do you think he is fine with no shows by the highest paid player on the team in the very first series of workouts? Keep drinking that kool-aid.
It may all workout in the end, there is always that possibility. I hope so because Haynesworth is the most talented player on the team and could be the difference between a solid defense and a nasty, dominant defense. But there is no disguising the reality of the situation and it ain't a good sign for things to come when your highest paid player puts more priority on his personal trainer than his new Head Coach.
Hey, if I'm wrong, come back here in September and say so.
Is it too early to say, "I told you so"? It just isn't a good idea to introduce yourself to a brand new Vice President of Football/Head Coach and GM by saying give me my 21m bonus. Oh by the way, I won't be playing any NT, and oh by the way, I may not work out with the team. Just sayin'
The message from Shanahan is pretty clear... "Mr Haynesworth... I am running this team. Paying attention, Mr Landry?"
If there is someone that Shanahan should have beef with it's Landry. At least when Big Al is in the game he plays well. The same cant be said for Landry.
Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.
The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.
Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.
I really, really dislike this. I get that Shanahan wants to lay down the law and be the man, but this guy is our best defensive player. You trade him, and now you're looking at spending that draft pick you get back drafting someone to play NT/DE in that 3-4. Who won't be as good as Haynesworth.
Seriously, the guy is working out on his own. He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary. This is a little too much control freak coach for me.
PulpExposure wrote:Skins actively trying to trade Haynesworth still.
Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.
The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.
Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.
I really, really dislike this. I get that Shanahan wants to lay down the law and be the man, but this guy is our best defensive player. You trade him, and now you're looking at spending that draft pick you get back drafting someone to play NT/DE in that 3-4. Who won't be as good as Haynesworth.
Seriously, the guy is working out on his own. He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary. This is a little too much control freak coach for me.
When someone pays you tens of millions in salary, more money than anyone else at your company, you better be first in line to "volunteer". Haynesworth wasn't gonna play much NT any way, doesn't suit him just so.
At three years and $16 million, Haynesworth contract is now very tradeable Posted by Mike Florio on April 6, 2010 11:03 PM ET With the Redskins paying defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth a $21 million bonus last week, we're told that the practical length and value of his contract is three years, $16 million, with $9 million guaranteed.
As a league source opined, "Every team in the NFL would have interest in that."
The question is whether and to what extent the Redskins would want reimbursement of the money paid last week. And that question depends on whether the Redskins prefer cash or draft picks -- and whether the teams that want him are willing to give up cash or draft picks.
In our view, coach Mike Shanahan likely would prefer to stockpile picks.
We've confirmed that the Redskins definitely attempted to trade Haynesworth before the $21 million payment came due. Others have reported that the efforts continue, with the Titans and Rams the teams most frequently mentioned. Now that the financial package has been reduced to a ridiculously affordable $16 million over three years, someone will bite if the price is right.
Seems as though this is not such a open/shut case. If Snyder's willing to walk away from the money - which would be a great move for the fanbase along with the right compensation, then let him go.
PulpExposure wrote:Skins actively trying to trade Haynesworth still.
Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.
The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.
Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.
I really, really dislike this. I get that Shanahan wants to lay down the law and be the man, but this guy is our best defensive player. You trade him, and now you're looking at spending that draft pick you get back drafting someone to play NT/DE in that 3-4. Who won't be as good as Haynesworth.
Seriously, the guy is working out on his own. He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary. This is a little too much control freak coach for me.
Agreed. Trading him doesn't make much sense at all. If we trade Big Al we might as well trade Carter too because he is going to regress without Haynesworth on the team.
Albert Haynesworth a goner with Redskins? April, 6, 2010
By Matt Mosley The remarkable subplot to the Donovan McNabb trade is that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is apparently still trying to move defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. We already knew the Redskins initially gauged the Eagles' interest in Haynesworth before completing the blockbuster trade Sunday.
But since the Redskins wrote a $21 million roster bonus check to Haynesworth on Thursday, it seemed unlikely that he'd remain on the market. Now, the Washington Post is reporting that Shanahan is continuing to shop Haynesworth this week. The Skins have already paid Haynesworth $32 million of the $41 million he's owed in guaranteed money. Can you imagine how owner Dan Snyder feels about paying that type of money to a player his new coach is actively trying to move?
Haynesworth has gotten off on the wrong foot with Shanahan by choosing not to participate in the club's offseason conditioning program. And I'm sure his complaints about having to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme aren't helping the situation. We knew that Shanahan would swing a big stick in this organization, but I didn't know it would be this big.
The Post's Jason Reid points to the Lions, Bucs, Jaguars and Titans as potential trading partners. No matter what you think of Haynesworth, you have to admit that he's one of the most dominant defensive players in the game. He didn't have a great season with the Redskins in '09, but I thought that had more to do with the dysfunction in the locker room.
To be willing to trade someone the organization has committed so much money to speaks to the level of frustration Shanahan must have with Haynesworth. If Shanahan and Bruce Allen pull the trigger on a Haynesworth trade, they'd be sending the message that no player is bigger than the team. And it would be one of the most expensive lessons in league history.
So what would it take to land perhaps the best defensive tackle in the league? I think a team such as the Titans could potentially get it done for a second- and fourth-round pick. That's how much Shanahan wants to get rid of Haynesworth. Pretty amazing stuff.
We'll keep you posted on any developments.
I'd take a 2nd and forth maybe over a 1st - only b/c that's two players to fill the many needs we have. Looking at the trade value chart, it looks like if you pile the two picks together, it would equal the #26 pick. Who wouldn't take that.
Albert Haynesworth a goner with Redskins? April, 6, 2010
By Matt Mosley The remarkable subplot to the Donovan McNabb trade is that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is apparently still trying to move defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. We already knew the Redskins initially gauged the Eagles' interest in Haynesworth before completing the blockbuster trade Sunday.
But since the Redskins wrote a $21 million roster bonus check to Haynesworth on Thursday, it seemed unlikely that he'd remain on the market. Now, the Washington Post is reporting that Shanahan is continuing to shop Haynesworth this week. The Skins have already paid Haynesworth $32 million of the $41 million he's owed in guaranteed money. Can you imagine how owner Dan Snyder feels about paying that type of money to a player his new coach is actively trying to move?
Haynesworth has gotten off on the wrong foot with Shanahan by choosing not to participate in the club's offseason conditioning program. And I'm sure his complaints about having to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme aren't helping the situation. We knew that Shanahan would swing a big stick in this organization, but I didn't know it would be this big.
The Post's Jason Reid points to the Lions, Bucs, Jaguars and Titans as potential trading partners. No matter what you think of Haynesworth, you have to admit that he's one of the most dominant defensive players in the game. He didn't have a great season with the Redskins in '09, but I thought that had more to do with the dysfunction in the locker room.
To be willing to trade someone the organization has committed so much money to speaks to the level of frustration Shanahan must have with Haynesworth. If Shanahan and Bruce Allen pull the trigger on a Haynesworth trade, they'd be sending the message that no player is bigger than the team. And it would be one of the most expensive lessons in league history.
So what would it take to land perhaps the best defensive tackle in the league? I think a team such as the Titans could potentially get it done for a second- and fourth-round pick. That's how much Shanahan wants to get rid of Haynesworth. Pretty amazing stuff.
We'll keep you posted on any developments.
I'd take a 2nd and forth maybe over a 1st - only b/c that's two players to fill the many needs we have. Looking at the trade value chart, it looks like if you pile the two picks together, it would equal the #26 pick. Who wouldn't take that.
I'd rather have Haynesworth. A lot of people are severely underestimating his ability.
hmmm - in the 3/4 that we're turning to and that he's not willing to play in. Weird how his ability will not be shown b/c he's not willing to be a team first player.
I think it is great, depending on the picks we get for him. yes Haynesworth is a great force when he's actually in the game and trying. But I am of the belief that there is a fine line between teamwork and a collection of well payed athletes. In the modern era of free agency, alllegience to anything other than yourself is becoming more rare. yet, some teams just have it. NE, Indy, Pitt, N.O. and a few others maybe. I think if you look at those teams you'll find strong, unquestioned management at the top and one or a few key team leader players who set the tone for the rest of the team.
Shanahan is now our unquestioned leader and he is asserting that for all to see. Crossing him is not a good option. We've also just added a very good leader. I hate giving up draft picks, but if you're gonna do it, you do it for a guy who is a leader on and off the field like McNabb. Haynesworth isn't a leader in the locker room, isn't a leader when he has to be taken off the field, isn't a leader when he misses 4 games a year, isn't a leader when he misses off-season workouts, isn't a leader when he whines about Blache's scheme, isn't a leader when he is unwilling to play NT... (I could go on)
Shanahan doesn't mess around. this redskins team will shed some more malcontents before it is all said and done.
P.S. - which is why I still scratch my head on the LJ deal. LJ must have talked a good interview with Shanny.
I would like to see Hayneworth stay but I think that Allen and Shanahan have a plan and they are looking at anything and any way that they can get the most for what they've got - apart from Haynesworth there are some other stars here that could be wearing a different color jersey next season
this is what happens when guys that know what they are doing are allowed to manage a franchise - I'm sure Snyder is supporting all this but he's probably also saying "why didn't I do this before?"
this is shaping up to be a pretty formidable FO
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
PulpExposure wrote:Skins actively trying to trade Haynesworth still.
Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.
The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.
Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.
I really, really dislike this. I get that Shanahan wants to lay down the law and be the man, but this guy is our best defensive player. You trade him, and now you're looking at spending that draft pick you get back drafting someone to play NT/DE in that 3-4. Who won't be as good as Haynesworth.
Seriously, the guy is working out on his own. He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary. This is a little too much control freak coach for me.
When someone pays you tens of millions in salary, more money than anyone else at your company, you better be first in line to "volunteer". Haynesworth wasn't gonna play much NT any way, doesn't suit him just so.
I agree with Pulp, throwing AH away would be a huge mistake. He may not be happy about it, but he will play NT, if that's his only choice other than sitting on the bench. I will lose all kinds of respect for the new regime if they make this move. A player swap for a dominant LT would be much more palatable, if you absolutely have to move him.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Getting an offensive lineman for Haynesworth is kind of interesting - last year we acquired this beast INSTEAD of ensuring our offensive line needs were addressed
sorry - the offensive line was helped by Cerrato & Snyder, they brought back Dockery who was such a force in Buffalo and continued to play that way here
so if we can add through subtraction, that's fine, but this guy is one of the best DTs in the game and he better bring in something really good
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I'd rather have Haynesworth. A lot of people are severely underestimating his ability.
Nobody is "underestimating his ability". They are simply not overestimating his motivation... nor his attitude...
We have no idea what may have been said behind closed doors when Haynesworth and coach sat and talked.
Shanahan is not one to cut off his nose to spite his face... and he has a history of giving second chances to individuals with significant character issues. Doesn't that cause you to wonder "what, then, would cause him to take such a hard line with Haynesworth????"
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
I'd rather have Haynesworth. A lot of people are severely underestimating his ability.
Nobody is "underestimating his ability". They are simply not overestimating his motivation... nor his attitude...
We have no idea what may have been said behind closed doors when Haynesworth and coach sat and talked.
Shanahan is not one to cut off his nose to spite his face... and he has a history of giving second chances to individuals with significant character issues. Doesn't that cause you to wonder "what, then, would cause him to take such a hard line with Haynesworth????"
Shanahan also has a history of making very poor player personnel choices on the defensive side of the ball. I honestly don't care what Haynesworth said behind closed doors. He is still our best defensive player. The entire idea of him playing NT is absurd and I hope that he told the coaches that.
PulpExposure wrote:He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary.
In this day and age, they aren't.
He wasn't the only one not there. They were saying on ESPN 980 yesterday that teams hope to get 70% attendance for these voluntary workouts. Haynesworth isn't the only guy in the league, or even on our team, that wasn't there.
I still think that Shanahan and Allen looked at the amount of money paid to that player and said WTF were you thinking??? Nothing against Haynesworth, but how motivated is he really to perform siitting on millions of millions of dollars and sipping pina coladas on his new boat. It was a ridiculous signing.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You can't do epic **** with basic people." - DJax "We're on the rise, man, whether you're on the train or not." - Josh Norman
I'd rather have Haynesworth. A lot of people are severely underestimating his ability.
Nobody is "underestimating his ability". They are simply not overestimating his motivation... nor his attitude...
We have no idea what may have been said behind closed doors when Haynesworth and coach sat and talked.
Shanahan is not one to cut off his nose to spite his face... and he has a history of giving second chances to individuals with significant character issues. Doesn't that cause you to wonder "what, then, would cause him to take such a hard line with Haynesworth????"
Shanahan also has a history of making very poor player personnel choices on the defensive side of the ball. I honestly don't care what Haynesworth said behind closed doors. He is still our best defensive player. The entire idea of him playing NT is absurd and I hope that he told the coaches that.
I actually think he would be a monster at NT as long as we move him around a bit. He has the strength and explosiveness that is perfect for doing more than "occupying" 2 to 3 defenders, but he could literally dominate them. If I were Albert, I would look at this as my opportunity to transform the NT position from an occupier to a dominator, and he has the talent to do it. The question is does he have the motor and conditioning to do it.
Knowing that he could be the key piece to the Skins version of the 3-4 and would potentially play all 3 line positions at some point, you would think he would have showed up to at least learn what we're planning to do with him.
