It's time to get this healthcare reform done!

[KazooSkinsFan]

So I've been looking into the Democratic Health care reform proposal our Great Leader, President Obama, is pushing. It really does help everyone.

Benefits to consumers include:

1) Ensuring everyone can get coverage, regardless of pre-existing conditions
2) Ensuring people can get free access to preventative care
3) Reducing the cost of healthcare premiums
4) Adding healthcare for 30 million currently uninsured Americans

And at the same time, Insurance companies actually benefit:

1) They add 30 million new customers
2) Costs for treatment drop because they don't need to be raised to pay for the uninsured who don't pay
3) Standardizing policies let's them more clearly compete on price
4) Larger customer bases from the uninsured who are now insured let them negotiate better deals with medical providers

So are the taxpayer's going to pay for this? No

1) Americans who can afford coverage are required to buy it
2) With access to preventative care Americans will be healthier
3) By making smarter decisions then the insurance companies made, our money goes further.

This really is a no-brainer solution, everyone wins! What is wrong with the Republican party? The party of "No." They had so long to come up with this themselves and didn't. At some point you have to just ignore your ideology and party affiliation and do what's so obviously right for America! Left, Right, or Libertarian. This just makes so much sense. We have to do this.

[Cappster]

You know as well as everyone else that they don't just pass a healthcare reform bill. They stick all this other lawyer lingo crap in there for things that have nothing to do with healthcare. I don't understand why a bill has to be as thick as war and peace if it is to be kept simple and straight forward. The middle class will get screwed either way as we who are barely holding our heads above water have the greatest burden. The government says "you can afford it" even if you are already scraping by and are considered "middle class."

[KazooSkinsFan]

They stick all this other lawyer lingo crap in there for things that have nothing to do with healthcare

Isn't it worth it though? The Democrats are saying how they have solved healthcare, made it available to everyone and there's no pain! Everyone wins! You dont' have healthcare, you get it. You have it, it gets cheaper. Government costs go down and insurance company profits go up. Wow, win-win-win-win. The Democrats are amazing! You won't think they'd mislead us on that, do you Cappster?

[Bob 0119]

Happy now? Your dream has been realized!

Everything will be puppies and rainbows and sunshine from now on!

Can't wait until the higher taxes kick in, and the insurance rates sky-rocket! Who cares now right? If you decide your healthcare is "too expensive" you can't go without otherwise the Government will come down on you with a still penalty! So you're screwed either way, you either pay the ridiculous new pricing for healthcare, or the government will penalize you (about the cost of healthcare), and still make you pay the ridiculous new pricing for healthcare!

Best part is that any real benefits don't start until 2014, but we get to start paying now!

Can't wait 'til the cost of everything else goes up! Everything we buy will now be more expensive as businesses pass along their increased healthcare costs to the consumers! It'll go great with my new post-tax-increase lower net income!

Yep, gotta hand it to those Democrats, even though a majority of the country didn't want this plan, they "kicked the door in" anyway! Y'know, ordinarily when someone "kicks the door in" and takes your money you call the police.

So now, the only way around it is a veto-proof majority. You better believe that any attempts to undo this mess are gonna be vetoed by the Czar-in-Chief.

[Cappster]

Can someone read this and tell me what it says? I don't have time to read all 2309 pages of it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/28572002/Reco ... -Full-Text

[Bob 0119]

Can someone read this and tell me what it says? I don't have time to read all 2309 pages of it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/28572002/Reco ... -Full-Text

The first hundred pages are definitions and legal-speak, the remaining 2209 pages just say "all your healthcare are belong to us" over and over again...

[tribeofjudah]

Socialism DOES NOT work.... look at the demise of the USSocialistRepublics....!!!

[Countertrey]

I think of this as a jobs bill. The IRS is hiring!

[KazooSkinsFan]

Happy now? Your dream has been realized!

The day it passed the House was darker then Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The modern Democratic party is a greater threat to our liberty then the Nazis and Japanese were combined. At least they were external enemies who were honest about what they wanted to accomplish and we could fight them. The Democrats are simply manipulating the lazy and greedy rotten American core who elected them exploiting their wealth envy and with shallow promises they can escape personal responsibility and send their bills to someone else.

And the liberal American media stood on the sidelines and cheered them on. Pathetic.

[Countertrey]

Happy now? Your dream has been realized!

The day it passed the House was darker then Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The modern Democratic party is a greater threat to our liberty then the Nazis and Japanese were combined. At least they were external enemies who were honest about what they wanted to accomplish and we could fight them. The Democrats are simply manipulating the lazy and greedy rotten American core who elected them exploiting their wealth envy and with shallow promises they can escape personal responsibility and send their bills to someone else.

And the liberal American media stood on the sidelines and cheered them on. Pathetic.

Well... we could make Nancy Pelosi pay for the bill...


Let's tax Botox.

[HEROHAMO]

Pertaining to the mandate requiring individuals to purchase health care. It is actually unenforceable.

Individuals who fail to maintain minimum essential coverage in 2016 are subject to a penalty equal to the greater of: (1) 2.5 percent of household income in excess of the taxpayer’s household income for the taxable year over the threshold amount of income required for income tax return filing for that taxpayer under section 6012(a)(1);67 or (2) $695 per uninsured adult in the household. The fee for an uninsured individual under age 18 is one-half of the adult fee for an adult. The total household penalty may not exceed 300 percent of the per adult penalty ($2,085). The total annual household payment may not exceed the national average annual premium for bronze level health plan offered through the Exchange that year for the household size.

This per adult annual penalty is phased in as follows: $95 for 2014; $325 for 2015; and $695 in 2016. For years after 2016, the $695 amount is indexed to CPI-U, rounded to the nextlowest $50. The percentage of income is phased in as follows: one percent for 2014; two percent in 2015; and 2.5 percent beginning after 2015. If a taxpayer files a joint return, the individual and spouse are jointly liable for any penalty payment.

The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code.68 The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner.

If you read carefully. For the individual or couple. If you decide not buy health care. They really cant do anything to you. They cannot enforce it by way of the law. They cant charge you with a crime. They cant put a lien on your property. Oh and no interest is accrued for failing to pay. Where is the enforcement?

So for you guys who actually want to take advantage. All you have to do is this. Lets say you do not have health coverage. Well you dont actually have to pay.

Just wait until you get sick. Buy a health care plan. Then once you get better drop the coverage again. You don't even have to have a reason. If you want to be smart. Just say I was not satisfied with the quality of service from my health provider. So I am choosing to look elsewhere. This way you ensure that you dont have the Government after you anyways. Make sure you type the letter out and send it to your health provider and ask them to sign it to acknowledge it. That way if you are ever questioned you have it on paper. The Government may send you a letter saying you must buy insurance or get a penalty. But, they know that is all they can do. You then send the Government your letter of disatisfaction and inform them you are looking for a new health provider. They cant do squat anyways. Just cover your behind is what the letters are for.

For the record I have always paid for my own insurance. Still do, I just thought I would point this out to some of you who could actually take advantage. Why not?

For me I adapt to whatever situation is presented. Sadly most businesses are on a hiring freeze. There are many businesses who have layed off employees. I feel for my fellow Americans. I work in the Commercial real estate bizzness. I am lucky to be part of a stable Corporation. Sadly I have watched some long time employees go. They did not perform but due to tough economic times the Big Cheese demanded more productivity out of everyone and was also looking to downsize. Resulting in the weakest ones being let go.

So if you are one of the unlucky. Dont fret. Get your butt into the health industry now. It is fairly Obvious the Big Wigs in the Health Industry got Obama into office along with all the Powerful unions in America.
There will be plenty of jobs in the Health industry. So look to where it is hot. That is all.

For the record I am torn on this Bill. I happen to think it puts the squeeze on Big Business. It also makes business men and women more fearful of hiring. On the other hand it really benefits the regular joe. Which does not bother me at all. If they just take out the mandates on Big and Small business it would be ok.

Just wanted to point out to people how you could actually take advantage of this. Might as well have someone benefit from it.

[HEROHAMO]

Time for a dose of reality.


In our lifetimes. We all wish our loved ones good health. But, what if the unthinkable happens? You have no Health insurance and your loved one requires treatment over a prolonged period of time. Lets say you can hardly afford to make ends meet? What do you do then? All the BS goes out the window and it gets real really quick.

One part of the Bill helps the regular Joe. The other parts of the Bill seem to me to scare Businesses from hiring.

So to negate the negative effect. I would like to see some kind of tax cuts in Washington. If Obama was smart he would look to the GOP and ask them to propose a fiscal tax cut bill of some sort have them write it up and compromise a Bill. This would show an effort of Bipartisanship. It would also help boost small and Big business.

Heck if it were me. I would halt all printing of money for three months. I would even give months of tax free business. Hurry now tax free february! A man can dream cant he.

[Bob 0119]

Time for a dose of reality.


In our lifetimes. We all wish our loved ones good health. But, what if the unthinkable happens? You have no Health insurance and your loved one requires treatment over a prolonged period of time. Lets say you can hardly afford to make ends meet? What do you do then? All the BS goes out the window and it gets real really quick.

One part of the Bill helps the regular Joe. The other parts of the Bill seem to me to scare Businesses from hiring.

So to negate the negative effect. I would like to see some kind of tax cuts in Washington. If Obama was smart he would look to the GOP and ask them to propose a fiscal tax cut bill of some sort have them write it up and compromise a Bill. This would show an effort of Bipartisanship. It would also help boost small and Big business.

Heck if it were me. I would halt all printing of money for three months. I would even give months of tax free business. Hurry now tax free february! A man can dream cant he.

Obama has looked to the GOP; and all he did was put his fingers in his enormous ears (or maybe his fists, those things are huge, right?) and said "LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU, LA LA LA!"

The GOP proposed things that would help the market stabilize itself, bring down costs, and not penalize businesses OR individuals, but it's hard to resist the idea of "tax and spend" when you are talking about "wealth redistribution" and "social justice."

It's not that Obama, Pelosi and Reid didn't know of a better way; it's that they CHOSE not to go that way.

Thei goal wasn't to get health care less expensive and more accessible, it was to get the money into THEIR hands and give themselves political leverage.

When medicaid pays doctors, medicaid tells the doctors how much they are going to get paid. The doctor charges one amount, and medicaid says "no, we are only going to pay this lesser amount; you can save that price for people with private insurance."

What's a doctor to do? Sue the Government? Fat chance. Who has the time or money to waste doing that (especially if you're likely to lose), so they take the Government's advice and recoup their losses on paying customers; just like the hospital ER does.

Pretty soon, everyone is going to be on a form of Medicaid as the Government pushes us towards their goal of a single-payer system.

The Dems now have rhetoric they can use on the campaign trail. "Vote for him and he'll take your healthcare away."

But this was never about making things better for us....

[KazooSkinsFan]

Happy now? Your dream has been realized!

The day it passed the House was darker then Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The modern Democratic party is a greater threat to our liberty then the Nazis and Japanese were combined. At least they were external enemies who were honest about what they wanted to accomplish and we could fight them. The Democrats are simply manipulating the lazy and greedy rotten American core who elected them exploiting their wealth envy and with shallow promises they can escape personal responsibility and send their bills to someone else.

And the liberal American media stood on the sidelines and cheered them on. Pathetic.

Well... we could make Nancy Pelosi pay for the bill...


Let's tax Botox.

Pass. She pays her bills with our money.

[KazooSkinsFan]

If you read carefully. For the individual or couple. If you decide not buy health care. They really cant do anything to you. They cannot enforce it by way of the law. They cant charge you with a crime. They cant put a lien on your property. Oh and no interest is accrued for failing to pay. Where is the enforcement?

Here's an easy way. Say you owe $1,000 in Federal taxes and a $500 healthcare penalty. You pay the $1,000 and not the $500. They apply the first $500 of your payment to cover the healthcare penalty and then apply the other $500 to your Federal taxes. Then they put a lean on your house for not paying the other $500 in Federal taxes. Think they won't do that? It's the Federal Government...

[Skins Fan in Indy]

To me its simple. You want government to control your life or do want the freedom to do what is best for you?. Government vs. Freedom! Lets hold on tight and start the repel process by taking out the party in power this coming November!

[langleyparkjoe]

To me its simple. You want government to control your life or do want the freedom to do what is best for you?. Government vs. Freedom! Lets hold on tight and start the repel process by taking out the party in power this coming November!

.. maybe in the next election republicans should send up someone worth electing and not jackazzes like we just saw?

[Skins Fan in Indy]

Lets hope the lesson has been learned!. I hope it has, but you can never tell with the establishment.

[KazooSkinsFan]

To me its simple. You want government to control your life or do want the freedom to do what is best for you?. Government vs. Freedom! Lets hold on tight and start the repel process by taking out the party in power this coming November!

.. maybe in the next election republicans should send up someone worth electing and not jackazzes like we just saw?

Amen, brother