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brad7686 wrote:Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. RT and RG will be manned by people that are quite unathletic.


The team started free agency by getting younger and the players that were brought in didn't make the team any older. Larry Johnson, Rock Cartwright and Ledell Betts are all 30 years of age and Willie parker is only 29.

They actually got younger at RB and will be paying these guys less. So they didn't just go out and sign elderly RB the signed RBs that actually will give the team more options compared to having Betts and Cartwright behind CP.

Who stays and who goes is yet to be seen.

McNabb didn't "cost" much considering they were looking to use a pick on a QB anyway. No one in the draft will be able to do what D-Mac can do right off the back. They can shop JC now instead of waiting until draft day. The conditional picks in 2011 given up for DM will come back when JC is shipped out. The offered Big Al and Dirty 30 before they gave up picks so we definitely are not looking at what we have seen for years with this pick up (pending the extension McNabb will get). McNabb is ready to go.... coming from a WCO, still is mobile and knows the NFC East. There is not a sole in the draft or anywhere on the market that this can be said about.

This move lets the team focus on the O-line in the draft


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There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves.

Mcnabb had Westbrook in Philthy, that was it after TO came and went. Desean Jackson was a nobody that dropped to the Feagles in the 2nd round of the same draft that had two WRs on this roster that were picked before him (Vinny's picks, but still). McNabb made Jackson and HOPEFULLY will do the same for the 3 second rounders he'll have to work with. One player won't make the difference in most places but McNabb alone can get this team to 8-8 this year. That's not a bad start for a 4-12 team that is rebuilding. With JC, drafting a QB that could sit for a FEW years wasn't a option, with McNabb they can wait and see what next year's crop of rookie QBs will be, and address other needs now.


brad7686 wrote:Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

McNabb and Peyton are the same age... anyone heard about him retiring?

How old was Kurt Warner when he called it quits this year?
What about that dude in Green Bay :( I mean Minny, how old is he?
QBs play to almost 40 in a league where they don't get hit (helpfull when you have no O-line).

McNasty could be here for 3-5 years depending on the learning curve of whomever they decide to groom.

They are rebuilding, but Bruce and Shanny know "the little General" aka "the Danny" is very impatient and will change the FO at a drop of a dime.

The Redskins were fourth in the Beast last year, Bruce and Shanny gave us hope. McNabb weakens the enemy and made us stronger, still fourth in the Beast but gaining ground.

Post season isn't out of the question, but I'm still waiting to see what "The Plan" brings
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brad7686 wrote:Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. RT and RG will be manned by people that are quite unathletic. There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves. Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

Two things:
1. Cooley and Moss are not proven weapons? Neither are Portis, Johnson, or Parker? Even Davis, Thomas, and Kelly could arguably be called legit weapons, even if they don't have years of proven track record.
2.Where are we passing on drafting young, talented players? Ok, we gave up our #2 to get McNabb, but we still don't know what we will get for Campbell, so it is a ridiculous statement to say we are passing on drafting young talented players. Let this move pan out, see how we draft, then you might have an argument. Right now, you just sound hysterical.
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cleg wrote:As a DC transplant in Philly this is great. I probably know more about why the Eagle fans wanted him gone but I believe more of the failiings had to do with Reid's playcalling than D.M. play. Welcome to Washington.



Those Philthy fans just do not know how good they have had it the past 11 years. How many Qbs have we gone through? How many coaches have we gone through? Philthy fans thats for sure.

If you have a winning piece. You add more pieces around that piece. The Smegols never could put enough around Mcnabb to put them over the hump.

You guys should read some of the forums. Many fans have said good riddens. Wow, what a way to thank the best Qb in franchise history. Good enough you philthy fans get what you deserve!


Yeah, man. I'm with you on this. I just can't understand what these people are thinking. We have gone through QB'S like water. McNabb has been a elite QB for years for them. I would have loved to have McNabb here his whole career. They should appreciate what he has done for that team. They derserve to be losers

They have hated McNabb since they drafted him over Ricky Williams. It's got nothing to do with how he has performed over the span of his career.
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Andy Reid was on Sirius just now. Said he didn't even consider the fact that they were trading him to a team in the division. Said that he had confidence in the Eagles, and it made the move in the interest of the Eagles, not who the Eagles played.

He passed on the question about Haynesworth being involved with the trade.

Didn't seem as though McNabb was influencing the trades (like rejcting an Oakland offer) or whatever. He said that the situation was good for McNabb to be in Washington.

He said that the Skins did have talks with McNabb's agent before the trade. Sounds like an extention is already in the works.
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And here is a confirm of what Andy Reid mentioned...

A league source confirmed to SI's Jim Trotter that the Redskins are already in contract extension talks with Donovan McNabb.

The deal "could be finalized this week, if not in the next few days," Trotter wrote on Twitter Monday afternoon. McNabb, 33, could be looking at a three- to four-year extension worth something like $10 million per season.
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brad7686 wrote:Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. RT and RG will be manned by people that are quite unathletic. There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves. Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

Two things:
1. Cooley and Moss are not proven weapons? Neither are Portis, Johnson, or Parker? Even Davis, Thomas, and Kelly could arguably be called legit weapons, even if they don't have years of proven track record.
2.Where are we passing on drafting young, talented players? Ok, we gave up our #2 to get McNabb, but we still don't know what we will get for Campbell, so it is a ridiculous statement to say we are passing on drafting young talented players. Let this move pan out, see how we draft, then you might have an argument. Right now, you just sound hysterical.


1.You're right I forgot the tight ends, they are quite talented. None of the WR's are proven weapons, even Moss, who besides succeeding in being the most overrated receiver ever hasn't been very successful lately.

2. We aren't getting squat for Campbell, and I'm not just talking about this move when I reference passing on draft picks. I'm referencing the fact that we always do this and always lose. I thought Shanny would change things. I didn't realize that was a hysterical view, when the current method has caused us to be bad for quite a long time.
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brad7686 wrote:Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. RT and RG will be manned by people that are quite unathletic.


The team started free agency by getting younger and the players that were brought in didn't make the team any older. Larry Johnson, Rock Cartwright and Ledell Betts are all 30 years of age and Willie parker is only 29.

They actually got younger at RB and will be paying these guys less. So they didn't just go out and sign elderly RB the signed RBs that actually will give the team more options compared to having Betts and Cartwright behind CP.

Who stays and who goes is yet to be seen.

McNabb didn't "cost" much considering they were looking to use a pick on a QB anyway. No one in the draft will be able to do what D-Mac can do right off the back. They can shop JC now instead of waiting until draft day. The conditional picks in 2011 given up for DM will come back when JC is shipped out. The offered Big Al and Dirty 30 before they gave up picks so we definitely are not looking at what we have seen for years with this pick up (pending the extension McNabb will get). McNabb is ready to go.... coming from a WCO, still is mobile and knows the NFC East. There is not a sole in the draft or anywhere on the market that this can be said about.

This move lets the team focus on the O-line in the draft


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There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves.

Mcnabb had Westbrook in Philthy, that was it after TO came and went. Desean Jackson was a nobody that dropped to the Feagles in the 2nd round of the same draft that had two WRs on this roster that were picked before him (Vinny's picks, but still). McNabb made Jackson and HOPEFULLY will do the same for the 3 second rounders he'll have to work with. One player won't make the difference in most places but McNabb alone can get this team to 8-8 this year. That's not a bad start for a 4-12 team that is rebuilding. With JC, drafting a QB that could sit for a FEW years wasn't a option, with McNabb they can wait and see what next year's crop of rookie QBs will be, and address other needs now.


brad7686 wrote:Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

McNabb and Peyton are the same age... anyone heard about him retiring?

How old was Kurt Warner when he called it quits this year?
What about that dude in Green Bay :( I mean Minny, how old is he?
QBs play to almost 40 in a league where they don't get hit (helpfull when you have no O-line).

McNasty could be here for 3-5 years depending on the learning curve of whomever they decide to groom.

They are rebuilding, but Bruce and Shanny know "the little General" aka "the Danny" is very impatient and will change the FO at a drop of a dime.

The Redskins were fourth in the Beast last year, Bruce and Shanny gave us hope. McNabb weakens the enemy and made us stronger, still fourth in the Beast but gaining ground.

Post season isn't out of the question, but I'm still waiting to see what "The Plan" brings


Betts may be older than Johnson and Parker, but his legs are much younger. And our second round pick should have been a rb. McNabb didn't make DeSean Jackson. You can't teach speed. He got drafted after our 2 because he was underrated. He is a rare talent. We don't have DeSean Jackson. Not to say McNabb can't play well, but we don't have anything close to Philly's offense. They have two receivers better than any one that we have. (Yes, I will say that about Maclin this early)
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brad7686 wrote:Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. RT and RG will be manned by people that are quite unathletic. There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves. Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

Two things:
1. Cooley and Moss are not proven weapons? Neither are Portis, Johnson, or Parker? Even Davis, Thomas, and Kelly could arguably be called legit weapons, even if they don't have years of proven track record.
2.Where are we passing on drafting young, talented players? Ok, we gave up our #2 to get McNabb, but we still don't know what we will get for Campbell, so it is a ridiculous statement to say we are passing on drafting young talented players. Let this move pan out, see how we draft, then you might have an argument. Right now, you just sound hysterical.


1.You're right I forgot the tight ends, they are quite talented. None of the WR's are proven weapons, even Moss, who besides succeeding in being the most overrated receiver ever hasn't been very successful lately.

2. We aren't getting squat for Campbell, and I'm not just talking about this move when I reference passing on draft picks. I'm referencing the fact that we always do this and always lose. I thought Shanny would change things. I didn't realize that was a hysterical view, when the current method has caused us to be bad for quite a long time.

Dude! We've given up exactly one draft pick in this year's draft since Shannahan/Allen took over, and we don't know yet what we'll get back for Campbell. You can't saddle this front office with the failings of the past FOs just because of this one deal, which hasn't even fully panned out yet. You can say all day we won't get a #2 for Campbell, but I'd be willing to bet you also didn't believe the Smegols would let McNabb go to a division rival either. Just because no one here would trade two cents for JC, doesn't mean the rest of the NFL values him comparitively. You're right though, calling Moss the most overrated receiver ever, doesn't sound hysterical at all. :roll:
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BearSkins wrote:Wilbon has the mad man-love for McNabb. Both Chicago guys but I dunno if they know each other?

Yes, Wilbon's got that one right, McNabb is a great pickup for us. He's a quality QB who gives us several years to find and groom a replacement. I still don't get Rush Limbaugh thinking McNabb is overrated. I guess even the great El Rushbo can get one wrong once in awhile...


El-Rushbo wasn't wrong. McNabb is over-rated. Many NFL people share this opinion. They are just behind the curve, where-as Rush was saying it in 2003 or whenever. I'm afraid we're all going to get ANOTHER lesson here. the grass is not always greener. got to say, I expected to come to this board and see folks #1, pissed that we are welcoming in Mr. Philadelphia Eagle to be our newest hero, and #2, pissed that we were throwing away draft picks on old guys again.

I'm going to have to get behind this somehow eventually, but it currently makes my skin crawl.

btw, not a shock that Wilbon and B-Mitch love the move. if he was white, would they love the move as much? Did Wilbon write a puff piece about Favre going to the Jets? or Warner going to Arizona? off topic... nothing to see here...

like I said, going to have to swallow this pill. why is no one else bothered by bringing in a mercenary from a hated rival? I'm not so traditional that I don't get that this is the way the NFL works now, and McNabb is a nice guy and all, but this is a RIVALRY man! I hate the Eagles. it seems to me you guys would have thrown a party if we had plucked Aikman from the Cowboys after his prime! blaahhh. makes me sick. just because he's good doesn't mean we want him. if you want to steal a Cowboy or Eagle, do it before he's made a name for himself, or before they realize how good the player is. Don't get bent over by the guy for a decade and then expect me to celebrate him wearing our colors after his own team deemed him expendable.


Most ridiculous post ever! Rush Limbaugh, was not right. How can McNabb be "over-rated" when despite his near Hall of Fame statistics, people still think he's an average QB? :hmm: Over rated means people think you are better than you are. The opposite is true with McNabb and the facts show that.

BUT, even if you believe that McNabb is over-rated, that's not what Rush said. Limbaugh said McNabb is over rated by the media BECAUSE the media wants to see a black quarterback succeed. That comment was ridiculous and accomplished what Rush wanted, more ratings for his radio show, his bread and butter. The ESPN money just supported his Oxy-Contin habit, but radio listeners is what has made him a millionaire.

Nonetheless, none of this matters to this trade. McNabb completes 60 percent of his passes, wins 67 percent of his games, and has lead his team to the playoffs 80 percent of the time. Given what we've had here - I can't see how this has riled up such negativity. It was him or Campbell this year. Let that idea sink in. :wink:
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Redskin in Canada wrote:So, we landed Mr. McChoke. Big deal.

What a pile of crap.

T.O. is next, right? :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

I would rather have a good team in 2011 and 2012 than a choker in 2010.

Vinny-like trade. :explode:



this is great!! what an exciting off season, ive never seen a trade in the off season make people throw up!!

at least our team will have a new look next year. we wont be saying, maybe this year JC is gonna do it.
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brad7686 wrote:
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brad7686 wrote:Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves. Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?


Sure LJ and Parker are old, but it's obvious that the team doesn't see them as "the future" as they both got one-year deals. We may use them, or they may make for interesting trade bait later in the offseason when teams see what they really have after the draft.

Boith deals are relatively modest (i.e. trade friendly) and if nobody bites we go into the season with three 1,000 yard rushers.

We traded two draft picks. A sencond rounder (which we most likely would have used on Tebow) and a third for next year (which we may get back in a trade later). It's not the worst trade ever.

So, to recap, we have three running-backs capable of 1,000 yards a season and a QB that can make even mediocre recievers look like pros, the final ingredient is a few O-linemen and some concerns on the defensive side of things.

Maybe the sky is too high up, because I can't see it falling just yet.


The sky for the redskins vacillates between medium and low due to terrible management. It is never high, occasionally band-aids lift the fog for the time being.


Brad, overall, your point is poorly thought out and you seem to be dead set on being negative. I guess some fans are just happier being sad :( I want to build through the draft too. Hell it's been my signature for a couple years now. But tell me what QB you think can be drafted #37 in the 2010 draft who will help the Skins win as many games as McNabb some time in the next 3 years :?:

What downside is there to signing two former Pro Bowl RB's to moderate contracts with fairly small guaranteed money in an uncapped season? If they both suck, we still have Portis as starter, which is excatly what we had to begin with.

The only semi-valid argument is by those people who believe the key to future success on offense is with an improved O-line. Those people can argue that the #37 could have been used on a key lineman, especially if Okung is gone by #4. But we can also draft another tackle at #4 if Okung is gone, or trade down. So it is a lsightly weak argument.

Lastly, JC17 may bring a mid round pick in trade, which is a pick we would NOT have gotten without McNabb on the roster. IMO, you really have to look at this deal from a sour point of view to find a way to dislike it wholeheartedly.
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Mcnabb carried all those Smegol playoff teams. He never had a dominant supporting cast.

His best season was with T.O. when he threw for thirty plus TDs and went to the SuperBowl. Is it a conicidence he had his best season when he aquired T.O. ? I think not. The Eagles have always fielded a superb defense when Jim Johnson ran the show.

Choke?

What would you call the teams we have been fielding then?

Get real people. Some of you have become quite comfortable with the loserism. We need to fill this roster with winners. Mcnabb has proven that. Once he puts on that Redskin jersey he becomes one of us.

Once we start winning. I have a feeling most people will change there minds.

We will win another SuperBowl. With Mcnabb at the helm. Embrace it, love it or leave it. The new era has began.
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The last time the Eagles traded their QB to the Skins was 1964. It worked out pretty well for the Skins that time too.




Yeah, that's right, the famous #9, Mr Sonny Jurgensen came to Washington the same way McNabb just did. :rock: :up: =D>
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I just don't understand this move. Now, I'm not being overly negative...I think my negativity is well justified.

And everybody stop invoking Sonny Jurgenson. That's like me saying that we should make a move with the Browns because we had such good luck in the Ernie Davis - Bobby Mitchell trade. It's just plain ridiculous.
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Wahoo McDaniels wrote:I just don't understand this move. Now, I'm not being overly negative...I think my negativity is well justified.

And everybody stop invoking Sonny Jurgenson. That's like me saying that we should make a move with the Browns because we had such good luck in the Ernie Davis - Bobby Mitchell trade. It's just plain ridiculous.


It's become pretty apparent to me that being negative about this deal means you "poorly think things out" and you are "hysterical". If that's the case maybe we need a shrink. If you're going to acquire an old qb, you do what the vikings did. You build a team first.
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Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

How about hiring a new GM and HC?. These guys haven't had an "in-season" yet, so you can't pronounce them in-season losers yet. Nothing you've said so far changes that. :roll:
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Here is a comparison of John Elway and Donovan Mcnabb through there first eleven years. Mcnabb actually is ahead of Elway in most categories.

G ATT COMP % YDS Y/A TD INT Rate
ELWAY 160 4890 2723 55.7 34246 7 183 167 75.9
MCNABB 148 4746 2801 59 32873 6.9 216 100 86.5



Any of us old enough to remember the early days of John Elway. John Elway before Shanahan arrived was also considered a choke artist. Just could never win the big one. It takes a great team from top to bottom to win it all. Donovan is just a badly needed piece we needed here in Washington.

John Elways career was much like D Macs. John Elway carried a team on his shoulders in 86 when he faced the Giants in the SuperBowl and lost. Then in 87 got trounced by our beloved Skins in the famous blowout. Then he also got to the SuperBowl in 89 where his team got annihilated by the more powerful 49ers. John Elway was a fantastic player. He just did not have enough around him. Until finally in 1997 and 1998 with Mike Shanahan, Terrel Davis a then 2000 yard rusher along with a pretty stingy defense. Mccaffrey, Shannon Sharp, Rod Smith , stinky was also on the roster.
Much like Elway Mcnabb carried some decent teams to the playoffs. Finally when he was joined by T.O. he had his best season and made it to the SuperBowl. Any coincidence there? I think not. Surround your star with talent and he will produce. He did face a more powerful team in the Patritots that year.

So guys you need to see that this is a badly needed move. We have the most important piece of the puzzle. The QB and now we can focus for three to four years on filling other holes on the roster. At the same time groom a future QB.

I actually believe we are just two to three pieces away from a prolific team.

The holes that need to be filled in my opinion.

1. Left Tackle,2. Right tackle and then maybe a free saftey and an extra outside linebacker and MLB wouldnt hurt. But, if we fill the tackle spots right away we can compete for a SuperBowl. I am gonna call it 12-4 next season.
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If we get a 2nd for Campbell, this is a good deal. I personally think a trade with oakland is our best bet. we swap #1's and we get oakland's #2 while they get campbell. And it's oakland, so maybe they throw in Seymore...

We gotta get a 2nd or 3rd for campbell to make this a good trade. Mcnabb by himself won't win us a superbowl. Okung and a good RT in the 2nd round might...
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CanesSkins26 wrote:My roommate, a 49ers fan, is laughing at me over this, and I really have no response. Being a Redskins fan these days is tough.


that's just amazing - first of all, it should be obvious to you that the 49ers wanted McNabb

and

is this franchise in better shape today than it was a few weeks ago?

give me a break and try to see what is happening here - this is a good move for this franchise
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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tribeofjudah wrote:I'll post is again.... I am NOT a fan of this....!!!


you are going to be - just takes longer for some than others, I guess :lol:

this is a good day for Redskins' fans - well it is if you know what's going on :wink:
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I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year
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CanesSkins26 wrote:Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.


Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel? or are you just saying, let's wait and see how this develops? If so, I agree with that. But I can't find much downside to the #37 for McNabb, still have the #4, have a nice Rb competition, have a good offensive coord., and have Cooley back. Not predicting 16-0, but could see 9-7, whereas, before McNabb, I was thinking 6-10.
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1niksder wrote:The Redskins were fourth in the Beast last year, Bruce and Shanny gave us hope. McNabb weakens the enemy and made us stronger, still fourth in the Beast but gaining ground.
Post season isn't out of the question, but I'm still waiting to see what "The Plan" brings


I agree 1niksder but in my opinion, we are better off as a franchise today than we were, last month - now, while some are a little too euphoric about the implications I'm thinking we are going to see a better offense this year because of the guys in charge here - I'm also fairly sure they will find a way to score a lot more points that we did last year

I'm also starting to think these guys might turn things around here a little sooner than we all expected

I think that this off season is going to see a lot more trades and changes - I'm so glad that we have guys in charge here that know what they are doing
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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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