this franchise has come a long way - I'm just as anxious as anyone to move ahead but it is going to take a while - it would be great if this franchise had some of the important pieces like a decent (even serviceable) QB, but we don't, and that has to be addressed as soon as we can - if we have to wait to be able to get a QB that can be great here for the next 10-12 years then it obviously delays things a bit so hopefully we can find a way to bring in Bradford
one thing for sure - some people here are just not going to be happy, no matter who we pick - they just don't like what the new guys are up to
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Skinsfan55 wrote:There is not one team in the NFL who would think for even two seconds about trading a 1st round draft pick for Chris ey. Not one.
First of all, he's not that good... second of all, you have NO idea if he'll be back to 100%
Of course they would. And he is that good. He's one of the top TE's in football and probably the best TE in Redskins history. He's also just reaching his prime.
Skinsfan55 wrote:There is not one team in the NFL who would think for even two seconds about trading a 1st round draft pick for Chris ey. Not one.
First of all, he's not that good... second of all, you have NO idea if he'll be back to 100%
He is that good, but no TE is worth a 1st rounder.
That's just semantics isn't it? When he was 100% healthy he was the 6th best TE in football. Even a top guy like Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome, Tony Gonzalez or Shannon Sharpe isn't worth a #1. Thus ey is not good enough to command a #1.
ey's better than all the guys who mention except Gonzales and Gonzales is 33.
Skinsfan55 wrote:There is not one team in the NFL who would think for even two seconds about trading a 1st round draft pick for Chris ey. Not one.
First of all, he's not that good... second of all, you have NO idea if he'll be back to 100%
He is that good, but no TE is worth a 1st rounder.
That's just semantics isn't it? When he was 100% healthy he was the 6th best TE in football. Even a top guy like Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome, Tony Gonzalez or Shannon Sharpe isn't worth a #1. Thus ey is not good enough to command a #1.
I don't agree with your assessment that he is only 6th best, but yes, I said no TE is worth a 1st rounder.
Of course they are. Your statement is absurd and not supported because there is nothing to support it.
Skinsfan55 wrote:There is not one team in the NFL who would think for even two seconds about trading a 1st round draft pick for Chris ey. Not one. First of all, he's not that good... second of all, you have NO idea if he'll be back to 100%
Of course they would. And he is that good. He's one of the top TE's in football and probably the best TE in Redskins history. He's also just reaching his prime.
I just don't agree with this assessment - ey's good and he's worth a lot to this franchise but "he is that good good" is just BS - that is just so wrong
BUT ... to follow that up with "He's one of the top TE's in football and probably the best TE in Redskins history" shows that you are just not in touch with what is going on here and is very informative about your player assessments
thanks for clearing that up
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Deadskins wrote:I don't agree with your assessment that he is only 6th best, but yes, I said no TE is worth a 1st rounder.
The 49ers, the Browns, the Jets, the Bears, the Jaguars, the Patriots, the Lions, the Steelers, the Colts, the Seahawks, the Giants, the Packers and the Ravens all disagree, and that's just since 2001.
But hey, that's only 13/32 teams. So technically, a majority of NFL front offices may still agree with you!
I just feel that our guys are hoping to get Bradford. I'm not sure how high they are on Claussen but I would imagine they take Okung if Bradford goes to the Rams
The Rams could still get Kolb or McNabb from the Eagles and leave Bradford for us
as far as the QB situation here this season I see the current crop of Bartel, Brennan, Grossman and Campbell handling the job until we can both get some help along the line and see how quickly the offense starts to play together under Kyle and the offensive coaches guidance and leadership - I think Brennan and Bartel are looking at trying to stay on the team
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
If the 'Skins are fortunate enough to land Sam Bradford, you should take him. Personally, I'd pass on Clausen for Okung, but if Bradford falls to 4...I'd hope Shanahan doesn't even hesitate to pull the trigger on Bradford.
Deadskins wrote:I don't agree with your assessment that he is only 6th best, but yes, I said no TE is worth a 1st rounder.
The 49ers, the Browns, the Jets, the Bears, the Jaguars, the Patriots, the Lions, the Steelers, the Colts, the Seahawks, the Giants, the Packers and the Ravens all disagree, and that's just since 2001.
But hey, that's only 13/32 teams. So technically, a majority of NFL front offices may still agree with you!
edit: can't count
It started with one guy talking about how ey is really not that good and ended with a couple of guys agreeing no TE is worth a 1st rounder. So let's see, take a Pro Bowl TE for a 1st rounder? or a rookie TE with no NFL experience?
ey no good? Do I really need to post the numbers? and we're not talking about Fouts to Winslow here. We're talking about a guy who has done it every year despite some regular coaching and QB changes. I could understand some cowpuke fans being this stupid, but Skins fans? Really???
We are not trading anyone UNLESS by doing so we put the team in a better position to be successful in a few years - we are not trying to make this team be better for the short term we are in a rebuilding mode for the future - there are certain things you have to do to help get the team through the next couple of years and unless you can make deals that are worth doing you sometimes just keep the player and move on
I do not think that we get much for ey OR, to put it another way, why trade a guy that can help the franchise AND no other team is going to give you a deal that helps in the rebuilding process
we obviously would do a lot to get into position to get Bradford but that is not going to be easy
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Gibbs4Life wrote:Is Sam Bradford better and Colt Brennan?
Is Stephen Hawking smarter than Carrot Top?
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Vernon Davis was drafted 6th overall. Winslow went 7th overall after the Skins drafted Sean Taylor 6th. NFL teams do use 1st round picks, even high 1st rounders to obtain TE's.
Winslow just got traded last year to the Bucs for a 2nd + a 5th, even with all his baggage. Winslow is definitely faster than ey, but their numbers compare over the past 3-4 years. With ey having fewer receptions, but more TD's and slightly better YPC (11.5 vs. 11.3).
ey is one of the few solid players on this team, where you can say, he is a leader, works hard and does his job. You just don't trade guys like that, because, it's those type of guys you are hoping to add, not the other way around.
Back to Bradford. With a possibility that the Rams trade their 2nd round (33) + Atogwe for McNAbb, the draft could be shaken up considerably. I think this rumor makes sense because StL has a defensive coach who built his reputation (NYG) through having a dominant DL rotation that offenses could not control. There are a couple of great looking DT's available at the top of the draft board and I bet he would love to draft one of them instead of Bradford, but he has to have a viable QB to satisfy the owner and fans.
Plus, a StL team that started Mcnabb at QB and Suh or McCoy at DT would be a lot better than the same team with a rookie (Bradford) QB. Philly solves their problem at QB by getting decent value for the aging McNabb and opening the door for Kolb.
So what does this mean for the Skins? Well, I think it makes the #3 pick (TB) the hot spot for Bradford. Maybe someone trades up to #1 or #2 to jump ahead for for Bradford. Still don't see the Skins getting him unless Shan-Allen think he is worth blowing up their draft for him.
Also, there is a solid chance that Detroit drafts Okung at #2 instead of a DT. So, we could be in a spot at #4 where neither Bradford or Okung are there and either McCoy or Suh is. If McCoy is, we need to pass or trade. If Suh is, I don't think you can pass up a guy as dynamic as him. Haynesworth/Kemoeatu/Suh would be the nastiest front 3 in football by 2011.
Unless the Rams don't like Bradford's pro day they are taking Bradford - we are hopefully going to get Okung
the 2 DTs are going to the Lions and the Bucs
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Unless the Rams don't like Bradford's pro day they are taking Bradford - we are hopefully going to get Okung
the 2 DTs are going to the Lions and the Bucs
If the Rams trade for McNabb they won't be picking bradford or any other QB at #1. and it makes a lot of sense for them. I think they'd do it in a heartbeat. BUT, McNabb only has a year on his contract, so any trade would be contingent upon McNabb agreeing to an extension. Why would McNabb do this if he can wait one more season and go wherever he wants as a free agent? He'd have to like StL quite a bit and i doubt that is the case. They may have to settle for Bradford and all his question marks at #1.
Skinsfan55 wrote:There is not one team in the NFL who would think for even two seconds about trading a 1st round draft pick for Chris ey. Not one.
First of all, he's not that good... second of all, you have NO idea if he'll be back to 100%
Of course they would. And he is that good. He's one of the top TE's in football and probably the best TE in Redskins history. He's also just reaching his prime.
When was the last time a team traded a first round pick for a tight end? NO TEAM is going to give us a first round pick for ey. A second rounder, maybe. A first, no chance in hell.
For the last few weeks everyone was looking to Bradford's pro day and despite a lot of media hype and hope by some fans here - Bradford is going to be a Ram unless he absolutely blows this - we are hoping that the Rams will take McNabb but that is not happening - Bradford is all they want unless he absolutely sucks on March 29th
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Sounds like Bradford had a pretty good day today. I think its weird though about the Rams having him for another workout three days before the draft. I kind of think that they're trying to deal that pick.
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riggofan wrote:Sounds like Bradford had a pretty good day today. I think its weird though about the Rams having him for another workout three days before the draft. I kind of think that they're trying to deal that pick.
If the Rams are smart, they would follow every path. You should believe both that they are keeping the pick and trading it. In the end, they pick the best option. Nothing is gained by choosing now. In finance we have an expression, an option is better alive then dead. You never give away an option for free no matter how unlikely it is. Same here.
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riggofan wrote:Sounds like Bradford had a pretty good day today. I think its weird though about the Rams having him for another workout three days before the draft. I kind of think that they're trying to deal that pick.
If the Rams are smart, they would follow every path. You should believe both that they are keeping the pick and trading it. In the end, they pick the best option. Nothing is gained by choosing now. In finance we have an expression, an option is better alive then dead. You never give away an option for free no matter how unlikely it is. Same here.
True, but if you have the first overall pick you should have a contract in place before the draft so I workout three days before the draft is pretty strange.
CanesSkins26 wrote:True, but if you have the first overall pick you should have a contract in place before the draft so I workout three days before the draft is pretty strange.
Getting a contract in place before the draft is a good point. I'm not sure that the workout plan precludes it. First, they want to keep it open to give other teams the time to make them an offer. Also, they could be negotiating and just actually sign him after the workout. They aren't on the clock yet and I don't remember anyone signing the #1 pick this early. They also don't want to blow their leverage with Bradford. Maybe they're going to try to convince him they're considering Tebow with the #1 pick to keep the price down.
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Last year I was relieved when the Jets got Sanchez. This year I will be relieved if the Rams get Bradford. Our line was awful last year even when Samuels was in the game. Now we've lost him also and the line will get anyone killed. I like Okung at 4 and Saffold or Ducasse in the 2nd.
If we could acquire another 2nd - we could address the QB position if Shanahan likes any of the 2nd round guys like: Lefevour, McCoy, etc.
ey. Not one.
