Kemoeatu signed

ChrisHanburger · Post by **ChrisHanburger** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:42 am

Calm down guys. Its not black and white....

“We’ve got the principles of the three-man front and a four-man front and calling it the “Washington Redskins defense” because we have the ability to (play a 3-4 and a 4-3),” Shanahan said. “We’ll see … where our players are and what they can do, and we’ll see what gives us the best chance to win.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=t ... eam_report

I don't think many will argue the success of the 3-4 in the NFL right now. Phasing into it seems like the right approach (and the one they are taking).

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:33 pm

yupchagee wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
1) This is like pounding my head into a brink wall people. The move to a 3-4 is not an overnight fix. It'll take three years. Think long term. Yes it doesn't work with the personel on the current roster, but guess what, the current roster won't be here in three years.

If our defense was bad I could understand the switch. However, we have a very good defense so what is the point of this switch?

Right. It aint broke, don't fix it.

I wouldn't say it was a top notch defense (yea I know it has been ranked fairly high of late, but offensive teams don't fear it too much), and I agree that it aint broke, but the league is a passing league now, and anything you can do to slow down the reads of the QB is a good thing and the 3-4 can be very confusing for a QB to disect. It is a defense built to defend the modern offense.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:11 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Before he had 11 sacks as a pass rushing linebacker (with 1 FF) I might have agreed with putting Orakpo at DE...

I think our personnel can be a good fit... with Haynesworth as a pass rushing end (think Richard Seymour) and Kemoeatu as a big NT we're looking real good on D next season.

Guess what. Orakpo didn't have 11 sacks as a lineback because many of them came when he played DE. Get back to me when you have the real numbers.

As an ex-linebacker who also played DE, I can tell you that it's easier to get a sack when you play DE.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:59 pm

How many of D. Ware's sacks come from a LB stance? I know he is listed as a 3-4 OLB but he plays DE whatever you want to call his position!

I see Sackpo doing the same thing.

Not real fond of signing a lineman coming off an achilies tear. He can't even run right now. Big men have a hard time coming back from lower leg injuries and that is the worst!

He may have been a perfect fit for what we want to do, but I doubt he will ever recover his old form!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:46 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:He can't even run right now.

I'm going to find the link but I believe that this is inccorect. I read an article the other day stating that he is running aggressively and that was coming from his agent.

Also, he had to pass a physical to get signed. The issue here is that he is recovering a bit still AND mostly he's out of football shape. He has until September to get it going. Barring any set back, we have a starting NT.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:19 am

crazyhorse1 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Before he had 11 sacks as a pass rushing linebacker (with 1 FF) I might have agreed with putting Orakpo at DE...

I think our personnel can be a good fit... with Haynesworth as a pass rushing end (think Richard Seymour) and Kemoeatu as a big NT we're looking real good on D next season.

Guess what. Orakpo didn't have 11 sacks as a lineback because many of them came when he played DE. Get back to me when you have the real numbers.

As an ex-linebacker who also played DE, I can tell you that it's easier to get a sack when you play DE.

yeah, in a 4-3 maybe. Not in a 3-4. OLB is the sack master spot of the 3-4. And Orakpo will be even more dangerous IMO.

It looks like we're running the 3-4 for sure, with a possibility of mixing in 4-3 too. I'd say if Carter stays, then we'll be mixing in some 4-3. If he gets traded, then more likely we're running 3-4 most of the time. Either way, the mix of personnel and coaches makes for some exciting, versatile defense.

Wonder what the secondary will look like? They were the weak spot last year and no changes to that group yet.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:28 am

The confusion that the 3-4 alignment brings will also aide him.

Orakpo is not incapable of doing it, it'll be an adjustment and these coaches will put him in position to succeed. I'm not worried.

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:20 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
cowboyhater4life wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Nothing personal against Komeatu, he is a fine player. i just hate this signing because I think that this change to a 3-4 is a BIG mistake.

Why do you think moving to a 3-4 is a mistake

We don't have the personnel for it. Defense linemen, even ends, in the 3-4 generally are responsible for occupying blockers. Using Haynesworth in such a role is a waste. Orakpo should be playing with his hand on the ground, not as a stand-up lb. Rocky has zero experience in a 3-4. Fletcher is undersized to play in the middle in a 3-4. Carter has stated that playing 3-4 lb is a poor fit for him in that role and he struggled playing that position in San Fran. Both Carter and Orakpo are too small to play 3-4 DE. Overall, our personnel is much better suited for a 4-3.

I agree and I also think that it makes us put more focus on getting the right personnel. If we had stuck with a 4-3 we would be targeting a DB or maybe focus more on the offense by now. Now we need a NT, LB...

Jeremy Jarmon is lost in the sauce.

Now I do like the 3-4 concept and I believe this defense bring a better flexibility, however there wasn't a huge need to revamp the D.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:01 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The confusion that the 3-4 alignment brings will also aide him.

Orakpo is not incapable of doing it, it'll be an adjustment and these coaches will put him in position to succeed. I'm not worried.

No way Orakpo will be as effective from the LB position as he was from DE.
A standing start is a handicap for a pass rusher and the LB position is a couple of yards further from the QB. Orakpo would do better in a 4-3, no doubt about it, and so would Carter. We're essentially giving up the best pass rushing combo in the NFL in favor of installing a system the coaches like. So much for designing a defense that best suits our personnel. We're fixing what ain't broke instead of fixing what needs to be fixed.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:01 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:No way Orakpo will be as effective from the LB position as he was from DE.
A standing start is a handicap for a pass rusher and the LB position is a couple of yards further from the QB.

Very true. After all, being in the 3-4 has really proved a handicap for LT, Derrick Thomas, Kevin Greene, Ellis Dumervil, Demarcus Ware, Shaun Merriman, Terrell Suggs, and the zillion other proven passrushing 3-4 linebackers. I mean, it's been ONE WHOLE YEAR since a 3-4 passrushing OLB was NFL defensive player of the year and dominated the league. And this year, a 3-4 OLB only had 17 sacks to lead the league; the year before, a 3-4 OLB (not the one who won defensive POY) lead the league with 20 sacks.

You can really tell that being a 3-4 has disadvantaged those poor souls.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:13 am

Guys... this thread is about Kemoteau - not the merits or lack thereof, in a 3-4 defensive alignment. I'd let it go if it was about 'how kemoteau' fits in a 3-4, but we're drifting here...

I think if Kemoteau can be healthy enough to play - then this is a really good signing.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:16 am

BossHog wrote:I think if Kemoteau can be healthy enough to play - then this is a really good signing.

We all hope it'll be for the start of the season but even it's not until midway into the season, it'll be a good signing...

IMHO this is a long term solution that may not provide immediate results. I'm sure that he won't be the last NT we grab. Big Al can grudgingly hold down the fort if need be.

NT's are hard to come by and we found one that's a bit dinged up. But guys don't take it lightly when someone believes in them. Mike Williams is a prime example... He worked his butt off for us and give it all he had, I'm grateful for that honestly. This guy will do the same, I'm sure of it.

ChrisHanburger · Post by **ChrisHanburger** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:22 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
BossHog wrote:I think if Kemoteau can be healthy enough to play - then this is a really good signing.

We all hope it'll be for the start of the season but even it's not until midway into the season, it'll be a good signing...

IMHO this is a long term solution that may not provide immediate results. I'm sure that he won't be the last NT we grab. Big Al can grudgingly hold down the fort if need be.

NT's are hard to come by and we found one that's a bit dinged up. But guys don't take it lightly when someone believes in them. Mike Williams is a prime example... He worked his butt off for us and give it all he had, I'm grateful for that honestly. This guy will do the same, I'm sure of it.

I think this year is an EXCELLENT opportunity to take some chances on throwaways that have the potential for high upside. Especially, like CLL said, when the position is so hard to fill. If this guy comes back from his injury, the skins look like geniuses. If not, there's not a lot of downside.

HarleyHog · Post by **HarleyHog** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:34 pm

I think I am warming to the 3-4 idea. While we have had a statistically top ten D, they haven't stopped the opposition from winning in the fourth quarter. We have seemed so predictable in all aspects of the game for so long that it's hardly a surprise that our division rivals own us. I just wanna see our collected talent ( and there really is a LOT of it) work as a team.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:05 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
BossHog wrote:I think if Kemoteau can be healthy enough to play - then this is a really good signing.

We all hope it'll be for the start of the season but even it's not until midway into the season, it'll be a good signing...

IMHO this is a long term solution that may not provide immediate results. I'm sure that he won't be the last NT we grab. Big Al can grudgingly hold down the fort if need be.

NT's are hard to come by and we found one that's a bit dinged up. But guys don't take it lightly when someone believes in them. Mike Williams is a prime example... He worked his butt off for us and give it all he had, I'm grateful for that honestly. This guy will do the same, I'm sure of it.

He's 31 years old. Just how "long term" can he be?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:54 am

yupchagee wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
BossHog wrote:I think if Kemoteau can be healthy enough to play - then this is a really good signing.

We all hope it'll be for the start of the season but even it's not until midway into the season, it'll be a good signing...

IMHO this is a long term solution that may not provide immediate results. I'm sure that he won't be the last NT we grab. Big Al can grudgingly hold down the fort if need be.

NT's are hard to come by and we found one that's a bit dinged up. But guys don't take it lightly when someone believes in them. Mike Williams is a prime example... He worked his butt off for us and give it all he had, I'm grateful for that honestly. This guy will do the same, I'm sure of it.

He's 31 years old. Just how "long term" can he be?

I believe he could give us at least 2 years as a starter, that's plenty of time to find a younger replacement and then maybe an additional 2 years in a backup/rotational role.

That's not too far fetched.