With word that the Rams might be taking Sam Bradford No. 1 overall this April, the other team that thinks quite highly of him might be in trouble of missing out. We've been hearing for a while now that the Redskins value Bradford as a potential franchise QB, and he would not get past their spot in the first round.
Speaking to the press at the draft combine, Rams GM Billy Devaney indicated that the team was still weighing the merits of Ndamukong Suh vs. Gerald McCoy, as well as Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. In order for the Redskins to ensure that they could get Bradford -- and all indications seem to indicate that they value him ahead of Clausen -- they might need to trade up to that No. 1 slot. Bradford's price tag as the No. 1 overall pick might not be an issue for perennial big spender Daniel Snyder.
This could set off a chain reaction of sorts, as the Lions and Bucs would both likely take a DT, and the Rams could have Clausen -- an equally good outcome, per Devaney's comments -- or make a move for Michael Vick.
No need to change a thing... definitely no need to give up more picks...
We should sit at 4 or trade for picks... and have multiple contingencies.
But... DO NOT TRADE UP!!!
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Countertrey wrote:No need to change a thing... definitely no need to give up more picks...
We should sit at 4 or trade for picks... and have multiple contingencies.
But... DO NOT TRADE UP!!!
Trading up would be a huge mistake and probably cost us a no.2 pick, which would mean no OL in the first 2 rounds. We can not begin the fix of the OL without the draft. There is a downside to every available FA ranging from age to only average skills or less.
thankfully Snyder & Cerrato are not in charge here anymore and Shanahan will not be giving up anything when he's already got the 4 pick and will end up with a very good player anyway - we are not exactly close to being competitive in the NFC East and have a lot of needs - I hope we do everything we can (including trading anyone) to add more players over the next 15 months - we need a lot of players and a lot of patience as these guys (Allen & Shanahan) try to get this franchise back from the disastrous situation we were looking at last season
there are some that think we might even contend for the playoffs next season (2011) if we get a little lucky - WAKE UP - we are picking at the 4 slot for a reason - we have to be patient and IF we get very lucky we might begin to be consistently competitive again in 2012 - AT THE EARLIEST
we need to add players and not behave as we have for the past 10 years - WE ARE NOT CLOSE TO SEEING A CONSISTENTLY COMPETITIVE PRODUCT
geez people - look at who is playing here - try to understand how much work needs to be done
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:thankfully Snyder & Cerrato are not in charge here anymore and Shanahan will not be giving up anything when he's already got the 4 pick and will end up with a very good player anyway - we are not exactly close to being competitive in the NFC East and have a lot of needs - I hope we do everything we can (including trading anyone) to add more players over the next 15 months - we need a lot of players and a lot of patience as these guys (Allen & Shanahan) try to get this franchise back from the disastrous situation we were looking at last season
there are some that think we might even contend for the playoffs next season (2011) if we get a little lucky - WAKE UP - we are picking at the 4 slot for a reason - we have to be patient and IF we get very lucky we might begin to be consistently competitive again in 2012 - AT THE EARLIEST
we need to add players and not behave as we have for the past 10 years - WE ARE NOT CLOSE TO SEEING A CONSISTENTLY COMPETITIVE PRODUCT
geez people - look at who is playing here - try to understand how much work needs to be done
We won't be competitive even in 2012 if we don't start building an OL now, primarily through the draft. We need OL rounds one and two--- 4,5.6.7 won't provide what we need, in all probability. Sure, it happens one in a while that one is surprised by semi-blind good luck, but only a nitwit would plan for it.
we will be competitive in 2012 if we put our franchise back together again - it will take a couple of years and 3 drafts but it can be done, I have faith in these guys - I look forward to seeing it happen - there's really no need to panic - just let these guys put the right people in place and get rid of the players who could not get it done - most of us know who the 'losers' are
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I think we're trying to be bluffed into trading up but I don't think Bruce Allen will fall for it. St. Louis assumes we're after Bradford so if we'd be willing to sell the farm to let them move to 4 they'd be down for it.
To trade up would be a colossal mistake.
We cannot give up any more of our draft picks. In fact we need to acquire more picks. As it stands we are without a third round pick. Trade up and we may be without a second round pick. No,no and no!
I am all for trading down and acquiring more picks. Not for trading up or giving away picks. Unless we get a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.
If we could somehow get the 49'ers 13 & 16th pick (even if we have to trade picks in the 2nd) would be worth it.
You could get an OL and a QB in the first, and the best lineman (OL or NT) in the 2nd. You probably wouldn't get Bradford at 13, but at this point is anyone sold on him? His durablity issues? His ability to read defenses?
Whoever said, thank goodness Vinnie and Danny aren't running this show -- I absoutely agree!!! We would trade up, give up something we'd need, like next year's 2nd round to move a couple spots when I don't believe we need to do that.
NO! - I just cannot see that happening - this is the sort of stupid thing that we used to do
if we do anything this year, we might move down but it does not really matter - we need more than one draft PLUS we need to get very lucky with free agency and trades between now and the begining of the 2012 season
THIS FRANCHISE IS SUFFERING FROM TERRIBLE MANAGEMENT - right now, we hope we get lucky each week - hopefully the plan is to consider what we need to do to have a consistently competitive product on the field each week - that will be during the 2012 season at the earliest so we are not moving up 3 spots in this draft
NO WAY
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Bradford's weight could have him flying up the boards
By Doug Farrar
As first reported by former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah of Move The Sticks, Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford posted a weight of 236 pounds at his Friday morning Combine weigh-in. For those NFL personnel people who were on the fence about Bradford because of his formerly 223-pound frame, wondering if he could take repeated hits in the pocket at that size, a more muscled Bradford could shake up the top of the draft board.
What is not in question is Bradford's accuracy and ability to get the ball to all field levels. Playing behind the best offensive line in the college game in 2008, Bradford played pitch-and-catch to the tune of 4,720 yards and 50 touchdowns. After shoulder injuries shut down his 2009 season and he declared for the draft, Bradford has obviously been eating his Wheaties. The question now is whether the extra weight will affect his throwing motion and mechanics in any way -- word is the new weight is solid muscle, which speaks to his work ethic.
Though defensive tackles Gerald McCoy and Ndamukong Suh are widely regarded as the best players in this draft, the St. Louis Rams have a desperate need at quarterback and the first overall pick. If Bradford aces the interviews here in Indianapolis, and is able to throw well at his personal workout on March 25, he may have the Rams putting the pieces together and making him the first overall pick. And if that happens, McCoy and Suh could go to the very happy Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, two teams in desperate need of interior line reinforcement.
UPDATE: Just off the media floor, Rams GM Billy DeVaney told me that the team has been in touch with Tom Condon, Bradford's agent, and has been cognizant of the workout progress.
Related: Detroit Lions, St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think that, while Shanahan MAY covet Bradford, I think he may also believe that Campbell is "good enough" for a rebuilding team. He understands that without an OLine, a rookie qb would be dangerously exposed. I continue to believe that he will either stand pat, or attempt to trade for picks.
It is more likely that SOMEONE ELSE would try to trade into the #1 spot, and take Bradford. If it does, so what? There will be no shortage of valid options that fit a need at 4.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Would love him to be there at 4. I think there would be some suiters willing to trade out then but I don't think he'll last to 4 - but that depends on how he throws.
Bradford adding weight makes him a bit more intriguing for me because that was one of my biggest concerns was his size. But with the added weight, no my only concern is his shoulder. I think Dr. Andrews did the surgery so we'll have some inside info on that if it's fully recovered or not.
frankcal20 wrote:I think Dr. Andrews did the surgery so we'll have some inside info on that if it's fully recovered or not.
He did... however, legally, he cannot provide "inside info" unless he has Bradford's specific permission to do that. More likely, as it relates to his ability to compete to be the #1 pick, he will direct Dr Andrews to provide the same information to ALL teams, or to NO teams.
The Redskins are NOT likely to get "inside info" from Dr Andrews.
The other reality is, this specific surgery has a very high success rate, if properly rehabed. I cannot imagine that Bradford is not doing everything just right.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
It gets very interesting if the player at 4 is Berry or another really good player at a position we don't see as a priority right now
I hope these guys can get picks if possible but you also don't pass up a guy with almost certain hall of fame ability - I mean if a Sean Taylor type player were available or a can't miss DT then we really have to take him
the pure angst from some here if we don't take the best offensive line player will be a lot of fun in it's own right
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
If Berry is there at 4 take him. Berry has the speed to go sideline to sideline and the ball hawking skills to make the pick then the return ability to take it to the house, he hits like a truck, you put him at FS and Laron at SS and our D is frightening.
Our Defense isn't a problem. It's the offense that can't put points on the board. Now the defense gave up the leads several times but that was only after the offense either turned the ball over or went 3 and out.
we aren't trying to fix this thing this year Frank - we take the best player available at the 4 pick if we cannot move down - this is a long term project and if you can get a great player, at any position, you have to take him - we are not getting a chance to pick at this spot for a while and we are not even close to being competitive with the players we have right now
I hope that the teams above us make the choice easy - it might also make the teams below us think about what they might want to give up
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
There are going to be several guys who will be starting caliber players - especially lineman. Why would we take a player who is on the bottom of our needs list?
I'm not saying anything about Berry. He's DAMN good but again, you can't take a player in a spot you don't need.
The chances of us trading down is slim to none. A lot of the teams out there don't want to have to pay an unproven player because of the fail rate.
frankcal20 wrote:There are going to be several guys who will be starting caliber players - especially lineman. Why would we take a player who is on the bottom of our needs list?
I'm not saying anything about Berry. He's DAMN good but again, you can't take a player in a spot you don't need.
The chances of us trading down is slim to none. A lot of the teams out there don't want to have to pay an unproven player because of the fail rate.
...but this is just like my opinion.
I hear what you're saying Frank, but thinking five years from now if Berry is as good as the experts seem to think he's going to be a fixture on D and Okung or a QB could be a mediocrity we're looking to upgrade.
My hope if Berry falls to four though would be we could trade him to Mike Ditka
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Hey if Ditka is coaching, he'll never make that mistake again. Berry could also fail as well but if whats to say that Okung can't be the next Chris Samuels? It's a crap shoot for any player b/c of the sport and the money involved.
frankcal20 wrote:Hey if Ditka is coaching, he'll never make that mistake again. Berry could also fail as well but if whats to say that Okung can't be the next Chris Samuels? It's a crap shoot for any player b/c of the sport and the money involved.
I meant Ditka more figuratively. But as for your point, I agree with you that recognizing anything can happen is realistic. But if you're arguing we should draft for need because of that I don't. That anything can happen is all the more to put the players through every type of analysis, not ignore analysis.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
No player is a guaranteed PB much less HOF performer. There are lot's of 1st round busts every year. We should pick the player who will help the team the most.
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Ideally, absolutely, you pick a player of need... however, if I'm GM, and I have the first player in a position of need ranked 14...
I am first going to do everything I can to trade down.
If I can't... I'm selecting the player that I have ranked highest on my board, regardless of his position played. I am not going to use the #4 pick on the 14th best player.
Fortunately, it appears that no matter how things break down this year, there will probably be a top 5 or 6 player at a position of need available.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
