PulpExposure wrote:Also, you may not use proper rounding, but every credible organization reporting does. Think of it logically; is a 4.59 closer to 4.6 or 4.5? If you're going to talk about 40 yard dash to the tenths of a second, which one would be more accurate to report if someone runs a 4.59? That he ran a 4.5 or a 4.6?
As a point of terminology, "rounding" mathematically from 4.59 to tenths of a second is and only can be 4.6, it's unambiguous. To get 4.5 out of 4.59 it would be referred to as "truncation" to tenths of a second.
Interesting. Thanks. With your corrected verbiage, I suppose I should say that truncation is illogical
A Math major had to come in handy one day!
I agree, it's logical to round in this case.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
PulpExposure wrote:Also, you may not use proper rounding, but every credible organization reporting does. Think of it logically; is a 4.59 closer to 4.6 or 4.5? If you're going to talk about 40 yard dash to the tenths of a second, which one would be more accurate to report if someone runs a 4.59? That he ran a 4.5 or a 4.6?
As a point of terminology, "rounding" mathematically from 4.59 to tenths of a second is and only can be 4.6, it's unambiguous. To get 4.5 out of 4.59 it would be referred to as "truncation" to tenths of a second.
Interesting. Thanks. With your corrected verbiage, I suppose I should say that truncation is illogical
A Math major had to come in handy one day!
I agree, it's logical to round in this case.
There's no reason to round to tenths of a second. What trouble is it to report the time to three digits. This is a stupid topic of conversation. [/i]
PulpExposure wrote:Also, you may not use proper rounding, but every credible organization reporting does. Think of it logically; is a 4.59 closer to 4.6 or 4.5? If you're going to talk about 40 yard dash to the tenths of a second, which one would be more accurate to report if someone runs a 4.59? That he ran a 4.5 or a 4.6?
As a point of terminology, "rounding" mathematically from 4.59 to tenths of a second is and only can be 4.6, it's unambiguous. To get 4.5 out of 4.59 it would be referred to as "truncation" to tenths of a second.
Interesting. Thanks. With your corrected verbiage, I suppose I should say that truncation is illogical
A Math major had to come in handy one day!
I agree, it's logical to round in this case.
There's no reason to round to tenths of a second. What trouble is it to report the time to three digits. This is a stupid topic of conversation. Over forty yards, Tebow would lose to Harvin by more than five yards.
HEROHAMO wrote:A tenth of a second is a full step. Do I think Tebow is as fast as Arrington? No. I think that forty time of Arringtons is probably one of his slower times. I expect Tebow to time in at somewhere between 4.55 to 4.59. Oh and technically a 4.59 is still a 4.5. I dont round up. Neither do the people in the combine.
They don't actually round at the combine to the tenths, they report the hundreths value (and round up/down based upon the thousandths number). And FYI, 4.49 was Arrington's fastest 40 yard dash workout number (the other was 4.54).
Also, you may not use proper rounding, but every credible organization reporting does. Think of it logically; is a 4.59 closer to 4.6 or 4.5? If you're going to talk about 40 yard dash to the tenths of a second, which one would be more accurate to report if someone runs a 4.59? That he ran a 4.5 or a 4.6?
Fair enough.
Tebow is yet to participate in the combine. We will see what time he gets.
kaz wrote:I agree, it's logical to round in this case.
There's no reason to round to tenths of a second. What trouble is it to report the time to three digits. This is a stupid topic of conversation. Over forty yards, Tebow would lose to Harvin by more than five yards.
OK, let me rephrase, "if" you are going to report it in two digits, "then" it's "more" logical to round then truncate. If he ran a 4.59, then saying he ran a 4.5 makes him sound a heck of a lot faster then he is.
I don't think I took a position on hundredths of a second. What it really comes down to in that case is measurement error. If measurement error is sufficiently small then sure, hundredths of a second is better.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
CanesSkins26 wrote:There are two problems with Pike. One, he needs to bulk up (can easily be done). The second, however, is that some people question his work ethic. That is a concern, particularly at the qb spot.
For example, he measured in at 6'5" and 212 pounds. He needs to seriously bulk up or he will get killed in the NFL.
Here are Todd McShay's notes on Pike from the Senior Bowl practices....
Monday (1/25/10): Pike weighed in at only 212 pounds on his 6-foot-5⅝ frame and sorely needs to add bulk to his frame to mitigate durability concerns. The ball jumped out of his hand in practice, though, and he clearly has the strongest arm of the North quarterbacks. His release was a bit funky but the ball gets out quickly so that's not a concern. When he was throwing routes he's comfortable with he had good rhythm and accuracy. However, he struggled to make more complex reads and hit smaller windows when dropping from under center, and he is still learning to throw before receivers ware out of their breaks. His timing was off in those situations and he tended to miss high.
Tuesday (1/26/10): Pike had a good showing on Day 2 and was the best North quarterback in terms of rhythm and timing. He showed good arm strength on intermediate and out routes, and Pike was very decisive getting the ball out of his hands on play-action. He saw the field well and made good decisions and quick reads, including an impressive throw during 7-on-7 drills. Pike made an effective play-action fake and then stared down Nebraska S Larry Asante, manipulating Asante with his eyes before showing good touch while delivering a strike to Oregon TE Ed Dickson on a post route. Pike cannot be touched by the pass rush here at the Senior Bowl so concerns about his lean frame remain, but he is beginning to separate himself from the rest of the North quarterbacks.
Wednesday (1/27/10): Pike had a bad day in terms of both accuracy and decision making. He consistently overthrew receivers during 1-on-1s, 7-on-7s and the team period. In a drill with running backs and tight ends against linebackers and safeties -- one that is a great decision making test because one receiver is going to be singled and two others doubled -- he threw into double-coverage on the first rep. The pass was completed because of Pike's arm strength, but he had another receiver wide open against single coverage. He did not see the easier, smarter throw, which is even more concerning given the fact that there was no pass rush and he had all the time he needed to read the field and find the best matchup. During the team period Pike threw an interception because he was late releasing the ball on a corner route, and while he continues to show a strong arm he has done nothing to alleviate concerns about his inconsistent decision making. That becomes an even bigger issue for spread-system quarterbacks like Pike because coverages cannot be dictated as easily in a pro-style offense and at the next level quarterbacks are asked to read coverages and find single coverage much more often.
Thursday (1/28/10): It's hard to get a good feel during a no-pad practice, though Pike didn't make mistakes and looked good working slants, in routes and quick-hitters near the goal line. He also dropped in a perfect fade route to former college teammate Mardy Gilyard, and while Gilyard dropped the ball it was thrown in a spot where only he could get to it. Pike also showed good timing, fit the ball into tight spots and knew when to change velocity to get the ball to his receivers. On a day when players can't really move the needle much Pike did put a cap on what has been a very successful week. He is clearly the best pro prospects of the six quarterbacks here in Mobile.
SORRY - what does this have to do with the basis of this thread in that we are bringing in Tebow with the thinking that he is going to be our QB?
SkinsJock.. CS posted that for me bro, I'm the one who's screaming for Pike.. Not like I'm really screaming for him though, just over Tebow.. well, Sam or Pike really. I honestly say just keep our 3 QBs the way they are and beat up the draft with OL and at least 1 RB
SkinsJock wrote:no worries lpj - I'm pretty open about what these guys do - while I agree that we have issues with the offensive line right now, we really need to address so many parts of both the offense and defense over the next few drafts - I'm encouraged that these guys will come up with a long term plan and then go about having short term objectives to arrive at that place in 2012 (or shortly thereafter) where thjis franchise is able to put a consistently competitive product on the field
I am going to look for improvement over the next 2 seasons but anyone that thinks we can magically contend in the NFC East, or for a playoff spot, before 2012 is just kidding themselves - in my opinion we don't have to make this offensive line a priority - the priority, to me anyway, is we need to get this franchise to have players playing together again and that will take more than a couple of drafts and some good free agents
the old days of attempts at instant gratification are hopefully gone and Shanahan and Allen just need to begin the long process of re-assembling this franchise so we have a good chance at having a team again
I agree bro, I don't think anyone here expects to hit the SB next season.. well, I do but keep in mind I'm always like that though, we aren't the offseason champs for no reason. Plus look, if we can get Tebow later in the draft (obviously after my boy Pike is gone ) I'm ok with it if the previous selections are OL like you said. Everyone please realize that having Tebow is really like having JC except Tebow has better legs. Now that I think about it, I've never seen Tebow even slide so maybe he's an identical twin of JC??
to sum it up - I just don't see this franchise taking Tebow - he's a bit of a question mark and I just don't see him fitting in here with all we've got to do the next couple of years - that being said, I do think that Tebow will find a place - I think he's got an awful lot of leadership qualities and he'll adapt to the NFl with some good help
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Gibbs4Life wrote:If Shanahan falls in love with Tebow he's not afraid to 'reach' in drafting him.
On a related note Kiper has us going Clausen ahead of Bradford
I know Bradford is a Heisman trophy winner and all. He is a good player dont get me wrong. He is just too fragile in my opinion. With our offensive line he would get destroyed. If we were to go QB I much rather have Clausen.
Gibbs4Life wrote:If Shanahan falls in love with Tebow he's not afraid to 'reach' in drafting him.
On a related note Kiper has us going Clausen ahead of Bradford
I know Bradford is a Heisman trophy winner and all. He is a good player dont get me wrong. He is just too fragile in my opinion. With our offensive line he would get destroyed. If we were to go QB I much rather have Clausen.
yea i'm not sure bradford has the arm to deal with the speed in the NFL. I could see him getting picked on sideline throws all the time. Now he's injured his throwing shoulder twice. I think Clausen will be good, but I don't know how good.
Gibbs4Life wrote:If Shanahan falls in love with Tebow he's not afraid to 'reach' in drafting him.
On a related note Kiper has us going Clausen ahead of Bradford
I know Bradford is a Heisman trophy winner and all. He is a good player dont get me wrong. He is just too fragile in my opinion. With our offensive line he would get destroyed. If we were to go QB I much rather have Clausen.
Well, if we're going to start basing our choice of skill position players on the quality of offensive line, then we're not going to have much left to choose from!
In fact, it might be an argument that a proponent of selecting Tebow might use - if toughness and mobility are your number 1 and 2 requirements, then maybe he's your man? After all, Clausen has a fragile toe
Bradford's accuracy is off the charts, its scary
He's like a frail peyton manning
Claussen can improvise and keep his eyes downfield then deliver
He's like a tonyhomo but much more polished as a rookie
Tebow's leadership and intagibles are what put him next to these guys when talking about a franchise qb. If Shanahan thinks Tebow has the skill set he needs then the intagibles could make him a surprise pick.
Gibbs4Life wrote:Bradford's accuracy is off the charts, its scary He's like a frail peyton manning
Claussen can improvise and keep his eyes downfield then deliver He's like a tonyhomo but much more polished as a rookie
Tebow's leadership and intagibles are what put him next to these guys when talking about a franchise qb. If Shanahan thinks Tebow has the skill set he needs then the intagibles could make him a surprise pick.
Peyton doesn't take hits very often, so he could be frail, too
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Gibbs4Life wrote:Bradford's accuracy is off the charts, its scary He's like a frail peyton manning
Claussen can improvise and keep his eyes downfield then deliver He's like a tonyhomo but much more polished as a rookie
Tebow's leadership and intagibles are what put him next to these guys when talking about a franchise qb. If Shanahan thinks Tebow has the skill set he needs then the intagibles could make him a surprise pick.
Shanahan doesn't think Tebow has the necessary skill set for the simple reason that Tebow is obviously not an exceptional passer. He won top honors in college because of his running ability. Period. The stuff about his intangibles and leadership is comic book nonsense. Untested by fire. He won a lot of game because of his running and the quality of his team. When other teams had more talent than his team did, he lost. In fact, he lost several times to teams of infereior talent. His apology to the nation for losing a game he shouldn't have lost was silly grandstanding, the sort of thing an adolescent would have done. If he has more than his share of intangibles, he'll have to show it by leading inferior teams to victory, not by teaming up with the best players in the country.
Gibbs4Life wrote:Bradford's accuracy is off the charts, its scary He's like a frail peyton manning
Claussen can improvise and keep his eyes downfield then deliver He's like a tonyhomo but much more polished as a rookie
Tebow's leadership and intagibles are what put him next to these guys when talking about a franchise qb. If Shanahan thinks Tebow has the skill set he needs then the intagibles could make him a surprise pick.
Shanahan doesn't think Tebow has the necessary skill set for the simple reason that Tebow is obviously not an exceptional passer. He won top honors in college because of his running ability. Period. The stuff about his intangibles and leadership is comic book nonsense. Untested by fire. He won a lot of game because of his running and the quality of his team. When other teams had more talent than his team did, he lost. In fact, he lost several times to teams of infereior talent. His apology to the nation for losing a game he shouldn't have lost was silly grandstanding, the sort of thing an adolescent would have done. If he has more than his share of intangibles, he'll have to show it by leading inferior teams to victory, not by teaming up with the best players in the country.
Shanahan has had the luxury of two very good QBs in Denver. Of course John Elway and then the up and coming Jay Cutler. I have to think he would like someone with a very strong arm. Elway and Cutler both have some of the strongest arms this league has ever seen.
Gibbs4Life wrote:Bradford's accuracy is off the charts, its scary He's like a frail peyton manning
Claussen can improvise and keep his eyes downfield then deliver He's like a tonyhomo but much more polished as a rookie
Tebow's leadership and intagibles are what put him next to these guys when talking about a franchise qb. If Shanahan thinks Tebow has the skill set he needs then the intagibles could make him a surprise pick.
Shanahan doesn't think Tebow has the necessary skill set for the simple reason that Tebow is obviously not an exceptional passer. He won top honors in college because of his running ability. Period. The stuff about his intangibles and leadership is comic book nonsense. Untested by fire. He won a lot of game because of his running and the quality of his team. When other teams had more talent than his team did, he lost. In fact, he lost several times to teams of infereior talent. His apology to the nation for losing a game he shouldn't have lost was silly grandstanding, the sort of thing an adolescent would have done. If he has more than his share of intangibles, he'll have to show it by leading inferior teams to victory, not by teaming up with the best players in the country.
Shanahan has had the luxury of two very good QBs in Denver. Of course John Elway and then the up and coming Jay Cutler. I have to think he would like someone with a very strong arm. Elway and Cutler both have some of the strongest arms this league has ever seen.
Well if that's the case he won't be drafting any qb's in this draft.
Gibbs4Life wrote:Bradford's accuracy is off the charts, its scary He's like a frail peyton manning
Claussen can improvise and keep his eyes downfield then deliver He's like a tonyhomo but much more polished as a rookie
Tebow's leadership and intagibles are what put him next to these guys when talking about a franchise qb. If Shanahan thinks Tebow has the skill set he needs then the intagibles could make him a surprise pick.
Shanahan doesn't think Tebow has the necessary skill set for the simple reason that Tebow is obviously not an exceptional passer. He won top honors in college because of his running ability. Period. The stuff about his intangibles and leadership is comic book nonsense. Untested by fire. He won a lot of game because of his running and the quality of his team. When other teams had more talent than his team did, he lost. In fact, he lost several times to teams of infereior talent. His apology to the nation for losing a game he shouldn't have lost was silly grandstanding, the sort of thing an adolescent would have done. If he has more than his share of intangibles, he'll have to show it by leading inferior teams to victory, not by teaming up with the best players in the country.
Shanahan has had the luxury of two very good QBs in Denver. Of course John Elway and then the up and coming Jay Cutler. I have to think he would like someone with a very strong arm. Elway and Cutler both have some of the strongest arms this league has ever seen.
Well if that's the case he won't be drafting any qb's in this draft.
Well I really have no clue what Shanahan is going to do. I do however have faith he will make a good descision. I just wanted to point out a few facts. Shanahan also had Brian Griese for a while. Also Jake Plummer was in Denver for a short span.
I just wish he would give us fans some hints on which direction they might be going.
Gibbs4Life wrote:Bradford's accuracy is off the charts, its scary He's like a frail peyton manning
Claussen can improvise and keep his eyes downfield then deliver He's like a tonyhomo but much more polished as a rookie
Tebow's leadership and intagibles are what put him next to these guys when talking about a franchise qb. If Shanahan thinks Tebow has the skill set he needs then the intagibles could make him a surprise pick.
Shanahan doesn't think Tebow has the necessary skill set for the simple reason that Tebow is obviously not an exceptional passer. He won top honors in college because of his running ability. Period. The stuff about his intangibles and leadership is comic book nonsense. Untested by fire. He won a lot of game because of his running and the quality of his team. When other teams had more talent than his team did, he lost. In fact, he lost several times to teams of infereior talent. His apology to the nation for losing a game he shouldn't have lost was silly grandstanding, the sort of thing an adolescent would have done. If he has more than his share of intangibles, he'll have to show it by leading inferior teams to victory, not by teaming up with the best players in the country.
Shanahan has had the luxury of two very good QBs in Denver. Of course John Elway and then the up and coming Jay Cutler. I have to think he would like someone with a very strong arm. Elway and Cutler both have some of the strongest arms this league has ever seen.
Well if that's the case he won't be drafting any qb's in this draft.
Well I really have no clue what Shanahan is going to do. I do however have faith he will make a good descision. I just wanted to point out a few facts. Shanahan also had Brian Griese for a while. Also Jake Plummer was in Denver for a short span.
I just wish he would give us fans some hints on which direction they might be going.
If he gave us hints, he would also be tipping his hand to other GM's. We just have to be patient.
Skins fan since '55
"The constitution is not a suicide pact"- Abraham Lincoln
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Countertrey wrote:BBBBBut... I PROMISE not to tell anyone.
This has become my favorite insane thread. It comforts me to see that there are people who think Tebow is going to lead the Redskins to glory.
I like being incredulous. It makes my day.
Countertrey wrote:BBBBBut... I PROMISE not to tell anyone.
This has become my favorite insane thread. It comforts me to see that there are people who think Tebow is going to lead the Redskins to glory. I like being incredulous. It makes my day.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
crazyhorse1 wrote:This has become my favorite insane thread. It comforts me to see that there are people who think Tebow is going to lead the Redskins to glory.
+1
Unbelievable.
Sean Taylor was one of a kind, may he rest in peace.
what does this have to do with the basis of this thread in that we are bringing in Tebow with the thinking that he is going to be our QB?
Not like I'm really screaming for him though, just over Tebow.. well, Sam or Pike really. I honestly say just keep our 3 QBs the way they are and beat up the draft with OL and at least 1 RB
