Why we probably draft a QB with the 4th overall pick

[NEWSKINSFAN119]

Listen I know I am new on this board and I am going to be ripped to shreds for even suggesting this , but history shows us that new coaching staffs (without an established winning franchise QB in place) take QBs in the first round for example over the past two years we have seen it from Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in Atlanta and Baltimore to Mark Sanchez in NY , Matt Stafford in Detroit and Josh Freeman in Tampa Bay. If the FO believes that Clausen or Bradford can be the guy they will take him , and yeah I know we need OLs to protect the said investment in a QB and I know high draft pick QBs can fail but drafting is a crap shoot who says Okung doesn't bust like Gallery or Mike Williams. Drafting a player is evaluating skill set and personality just like hiring a guy for a job in any field , just because someone fits a desperate need doesn't mean you ignore a more qualified and potentially more beneficial candidate. Great teams (with some exceptions) have great or very good QBs look at the saints for instance they took a chance on a QB like Drew Brees who was coming off injury (yeah he was established but he was still a risk) and by no means did they have all the pieces around at the time in 2006 to be where they are today they were 3-13 following the 05 season . Another example are the Indianapolis Colts after drafting Manning in 1998 they sucked his first season but have been a perennial playoff team since and they don't do it with first round tackles or guards but with virtual no names the only star on that OL is Jeff Saturday and he is close to retiring. What I am saying is the OL can be rebuilt and it doesn't have to be done in one draft but if that once in a generation QB is available you take him we haven't had a great QB here since fill in the blank wouldn't it be nice to have the next Brees, Manning ,Brady etc. I know this fan base and I am one of them is desperate for a winner again but really does it matter how it gets done. If we take a QB at #4 don't you think the FO will do everything in its power to make him succeed and lead this franchise back to glory. Hail

[HEROHAMO]

You bring up a very good point.
New coaches always bring in a new QB. Not necessarily through the draft though. It may also be through trade or free agency.
Also the new coaches may not like the prospects in the NFL draft this year?
However I am sure a QB change is on the horizon. When the change will happen is the question?

[VetSkinsFan]

The point that most make is that there's not that once in a generation QB in the draft. If there's not that clear cut choice as with Stafford, Sanchez last year, then we go with the OL pick IMO, and I think that's what the general consensus is.

I guess it all hinges on how much faith the new regime has in JC (no, I'm not trying to derail this thread, but it's applicable). I think we can hang on to JC and rebuild around him. He's adequate with a competent line in front of him. This allows the focus to be on the OL and other needs. After we strengthen the OL and JC doesn't cut it, then bon voyage, JC!

[NEWSKINSFAN119]

The point that most make is that there's not that once in a generation QB in the draft. If there's not that clear cut choice as with Stafford, Sanchez last year, then we go with the OL pick IMO, and I think that's what the general consensus is.

I guess it all hinges on how much faith the new regime has in JC (no, I'm not trying to derail this thread, but it's applicable). I think we can hang on to JC and rebuild around him. He's adequate with a competent line in front of him. This allows the focus to be on the OL and other needs. After we strengthen the OL and JC doesn't cut it, then bon voyage, JC!

Agreed I really don't feel either QB is that one in a generation guy and I want Okung at #4 but the FO may see it differently personally I like JC but who knows Shanahan may think he can groom Clausen or Bradford and turn him into the next Elway , to be a head coach in the NFL and a successful one you have to have a pretty big ego and his ego and a desire for his guy may trump the obvious choice of Okung.

[PulpExposure]

The point that most make is that there's not that once in a generation QB in the draft. If there's not that clear cut choice as with Stafford, Sanchez last year, then we go with the OL pick IMO, and I think that's what the general consensus is.

What's interesting when I read that kind of thing, is that the common consensus among NFL talent types was that Bradford would have been the 1st pick in the draft if he had come out last year.

[NEWSKINSFAN119]

The point that most make is that there's not that once in a generation QB in the draft. If there's not that clear cut choice as with Stafford, Sanchez last year, then we go with the OL pick IMO, and I think that's what the general consensus is.

What's interesting when I read that kind of thing, is that the common consensus among NFL talent types was that Bradford would have been the 1st pick in the draft if he had come out last year.

That why guys like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay have as much skill forecasting the draft as some guy off the street IMO. A year ago if Bradford comes out he goes to Detroit or another top 10 team. Look at Matt Lienart same deal came out in 06 instead of 05 and the same thing will happen to Jake Locker. Anyway back to the point which is neither of these guys IMO is a sure bet so they really shouldn't draft either however we all know Dan's track record he sees a shiny toy he likes and he may not be able to resist plus Shanahan may fall in love with one of them at the combine or their workouts. If we do draft one of these guys lets hope that they don't get killed behind our OL and become another Joey Harrington or David Carr.

[chiefhog44]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

[crazyhorse1]

Listen I know I am new on this board and I am going to be ripped to shreds for even suggesting this , but history shows us that new coaching staffs (without an established winning franchise QB in place) take QBs in the first round for example over the past two years we have seen it from Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in Atlanta and Baltimore to Mark Sanchez in NY , Matt Stafford in Detroit and Josh Freeman in Tampa Bay. If the FO believes that Clausen or Bradford can be the guy they will take him , and yeah I know we need OLs to protect the said investment in a QB and I know high draft pick QBs can fail but drafting is a crap shoot who says Okung doesn't bust like Gallery or Mike Williams. Drafting a player is evaluating skill set and personality just like hiring a guy for a job in any field , just because someone fits a desperate need doesn't mean you ignore a more qualified and potentially more beneficial candidate. Great teams (with some exceptions) have great or very good QBs look at the saints for instance they took a chance on a QB like Drew Brees who was coming off injury (yeah he was established but he was still a risk) and by no means did they have all the pieces around at the time in 2006 to be where they are today they were 3-13 following the 05 season . Another example are the Indianapolis Colts after drafting Manning in 1998 they sucked his first season but have been a perennial playoff team since and they don't do it with first round tackles or guards but with virtual no names the only star on that OL is Jeff Saturday and he is close to retiring. What I am saying is the OL can be rebuilt and it doesn't have to be done in one draft but if that once in a generation QB is available you take him we haven't had a great QB here since fill in the blank wouldn't it be nice to have the next Brees, Manning ,Brady etc. I know this fan base and I am one of them is desperate for a winner again but really does it matter how it gets done. If we take a QB at #4 don't you think the FO will do everything in its power to make him succeed and lead this franchise back to glory. Hail

As much as I hate it and want a couple of OL one and two so our line never ever duplicates the ludicrous play it was guilty of last year, I am pretty darn sure the Skins will draft Bradford no. 4 and that Bradford will get mauled, if he plays. For that reason, I'm not sure I'm looking forward to the season. It's usually ok to take a chance with a passer as accurate at Bradford because one generally has an OL that's not the laughing stock of the league. But, we do have a line that is the laughing stock of the league, so the calculus of the whole deal changes. Without radical action in re to the OL, we'll continue our culture of losing and the team will fall even further apart. Guys who can play (who are on the defensive side, as well as WR's and RB) will quickly become demoralized when Campbell and Bradford get flattened. There'll be a lot of head shaking.

Back to basics, gentlemen. The basics. You have to be at least competitive in the trenches

[SkinsJock]

Why is everyone that does not want this franchise to take a QB with the 4th pick think that means that he will be playing behind a line that will get him killed or hurt OR that will mean that he cannot develop into the QB that these guys think he can be?

IF Shanahan and Allen think that Bradford OR Claussen offer great potential at the QB position

AND

IF Shanahan and Allen think that the other players available at the #4 pick are not worth drafting at such a high number (this pick is almost guaranteed a small fortune)

IF either is true then we need to pick a QB

NOW - why is it a given that the QB is not going to be successful? - why is it also not a given that the OL or DL might not work out as well as should be expected from such a high picK?


I think it's really simple that given that we have a QB (Campbell) now that we know cannot play behind a suspect line and that we need to upgrade the offensive line at every position - no matter who is the QB we are going to need a good offensive line and why not take a QB with the #4 pick if they think there's even the slightest chance that he'll be better than Campbell in 2-3 years time

Fact is, Campbell will not be the QB here in 2-3 years - If Shanahan thinks that he can make either of these 2 (Bradford or Claussen) be good NFL QBs, then we have to take that guy with the 4th pick and get him ready to play as soon as he can take snaps behind a decent offensive line - we cannot afford to wait and see with Campbell

[crazyhorse1]

Why is everyone that does not want this franchise to take a QB with the 4th pick think that means that he will be playing behind a line that will get him killed or hurt OR that will mean that he cannot develop into the QB that these guys think he can be?

IF Shanahan and Allen think that Bradford OR Claussen offer great potential at the QB position

AND

IF Shanahan and Allen think that the other players available at the #4 pick are not worth drafting at such a high number (this pick is almost guaranteed a small fortune)

IF either is true then we need to pick a QB

NOW - why is it a given that the QB is not going to be successful? - why is it also not a given that the OL or DL might not work out as well as should be expected from such a high picK?


I think it's really simple that given that we have a QB (Campbell) now that we know cannot play behind a suspect line and that we need to upgrade the offensive line at every position - no matter who is the QB we are going to need a good offensive line and why not take a QB with the #4 pick if they think there's even the slightest chance that he'll be better than Campbell in 2-3 years time

Fact is, Campbell will not be the QB here in 2-3 years - If Shanahan thinks that he can make either of these 2 (Bradford or Claussen) be good NFL QBs, then we have to take that guy with the 4th pick and get him ready to play as soon as he can take snaps behind a decent offensive line - we cannot afford to wait and see with Campbell

The trouble with your basic point of view is that the Skins have that point of view every year.. Every year, no matter how much trouble the OL is in, a rationale develops regarding a sexier player at a more glamorous position and we always go there. What's the MO gotten us. 4 and 12. It's time to stop acquiring glamor guys and load up on solid players. Campbell can become a better QB than either Ripien or Doug Williams. Frankly, a lot of average quarterbacks have won Super Bowls and a lot of potentially great quarterbacks remain relatively unknown because of poor blocking.

[Deadskins]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

[brad7686]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

Yea, we know. Problem is we have a chance to draft an elite OT or take a qb with questions. Also, we more than likely need TWO OT's out of this draft, if we even want to field a competitive team next year. Drafting a qb in the first round this draft guarantees a lack of competitiveness for next season, where if you solidify the line and maybe add a rb, wr, etc. the team might not be that bad.

[Manchester_Redskin]

Just read this ....

It looks like Mike Shanahan a top quarterback prospect with Washington’s fourth overall draft pick. Jason Campbell, a free agent, won’t be back, and the Redskins’ rebuiling process will likely start with a franchise QB, according to the Washington Post.

Shanahan also needs to overhaul his offensive line, but eyes are on both Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford and Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen high in the first round. The former Broncos coach and general manager has proved adept at finding good lineman throughout the draft, so that makes sense.

Shanahan, working with new GM Bruce Allen, has so far kept his plans mostly under wraps, and at this point, the Redskins have plenty of work to do to catch up to the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants.

In this passing league, however, Washington needs a top-flight QB, especially that Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb and Eli Manning already occupy space in the divison.

This is the link to the washington post article

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/shanahans-plan-will-become-cle.html

The article reads...

The end of the Super Bowl marks the beginning of the NFL's offseason, which figures to be a busy time for the Redskins' new management team.

Coach Mike Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen have revealed little publicly about their plans for a team coming off consecutive last-place finishes in the NFC East. But it seems obvious the roster needs to be improved after last season's 4-12 debacle in which the Redskins had one of the league's least effective offensive lines, no running backs with "home run" potential and gave up too many big passing plays because of breakdowns in the secondary.

The Redskins currently hold the No. 4 overall pick in the three-day draft (April 22-24). In addition to Washington's No. 1 pick, it also has selections in the second, fourth, fifth and seventh rounds. In order to select defensive lineman Jeremy Jarmon in the previous supplemental draft, the Redskins surrendered their third-round pick. Their sixth-round pick went to the Miami Dolphins in the Jason Taylor trade.

The offensive line would seem to be an obvious place to start for Allen and Shanahan, especially with the expected retirement of Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels because of a severe neck injury. But Shanahan is eager to draft and develop a young quarterback, a league source familiar with his thinking said recently, and former Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford has been linked with the Redskins in most early mock drafts. Former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen also often has been listed as a possible top pick of the Redskins.

A Redskins contingent will be in Indianapolis for the combine that begins Feb. 24, and free agency and the trading period begin March 5. Regardless how they attempt to fill needs, the Redskins appear to have glaring deficiencies along the offensive line and at cornerback behind top corner DeAngelo Hall.

Despite his obvious physical gifts, safety LaRon Landry appeared to regress last season. And will Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, who expressed frustration about the team's disciplined 4-3 defensive scheme last season, be content playing nose tackle, even if only occasionally, in the 3-4 scheme new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett might switch to next season?

One way or another, the plan Shanahan and Allen have to rebuild the Redskins will become clearer soon.

[VetSkinsFan]

that's all speculation or common knowledge. Unnamed sources can be me the moron with a redskins opinion as well as someone who actually has knowledge of the situation. Especially this far off.

[Deadskins]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

Yea, we know. Problem is we have a chance to draft an elite OT or take a qb with questions. Also, we more than likely need TWO OT's out of this draft, if we even want to field a competitive team next year. Drafting a qb in the first round this draft guarantees a lack of competitiveness for next season, where if you solidify the line and maybe add a rb, wr, etc. the team might not be that bad.

I don't care about next year's team having a good year. I want them to build for the long term future. If that means getting a franchise QB, then so be it. Like the OP said, lineman can be found throughout the early rounds of the draft, but if you have an opportunity to pick in the top 5, a QB might be the better choice long term.

[brad7686]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

Yea, we know. Problem is we have a chance to draft an elite OT or take a qb with questions. Also, we more than likely need TWO OT's out of this draft, if we even want to field a competitive team next year. Drafting a qb in the first round this draft guarantees a lack of competitiveness for next season, where if you solidify the line and maybe add a rb, wr, etc. the team might not be that bad.

I don't care about next year's team having a good year. I want them to build for the long term future. If that means getting a franchise QB, then so be it. Like the OP said, lineman can be found throughout the early rounds of the draft, but if you have an opportunity to pick in the top 5, a QB might be the better choice long term.

Well I'll just say there are no Dan Marino's in this draft and leave it at that.

[SkinsJock]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

Problem is we have a chance to draft an elite OT or take a qb with questions.

I think Shanahan and Allen take the "elite OT" - are you sure that Okung is rated that high?
What if Shanahan and Allen rate one of the QBs as having more upside for the franchise than the "elite OT"?

Also, we more than likely need TWO OT's out of this draft, if we even want to field a competitive team next year. Drafting a qb in the first round this draft guarantees a lack of competitiveness for next season, where if you solidify the line and maybe add a rb, wr, etc. the team might not be that bad.

I don't think that many here think we're going to be a competitive franchise that quickly - do you think we have a chance of having a decent offensive line and all the other pieces that mean we can be a decent group offensively, that quickly?

I think we will need 3 drafts and some pretty good FA acquisitions - we are going to see changes on both offense and defense - we are a franchise with very few players playing as a team - we need a lot of help - we might see a consistently competitive product on the field in 2 seasons - that means 2012, not next year -

[brad7686]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

Problem is we have a chance to draft an elite OT or take a qb with questions.

I think Shanahan and Allen take the "elite OT" - are you sure that Okung is rated that high?
What if Shanahan and Allen rate one of the QBs as having more upside for the franchise than the "elite OT"?

Also, we more than likely need TWO OT's out of this draft, if we even want to field a competitive team next year. Drafting a qb in the first round this draft guarantees a lack of competitiveness for next season, where if you solidify the line and maybe add a rb, wr, etc. the team might not be that bad.

I don't think that many here think we're going to be a competitive franchise that quickly - do you think we have a chance of having a decent offensive line and all the other pieces that mean we can be a decent group offensively, that quickly?

I think we will need 3 drafts and some pretty good FA acquisitions - we are going to see changes on both offense and defense - we are a franchise with very few players playing as a team - we need a lot of help - we might see a consistently competitive product on the field in 2 seasons - that means 2012, not next year -

Well with an O-line we could go 8-8, without, probly another 4-12. And its just going to stay like that every year we don't address the line. When Bradford can't move fast enough behind our lack of an o-line, and we have to draft another qb after he dies, thats another year we don't address the O-line. It's like a dance we've been doing ever since Samuels was drafted, which if we didn't have two first rounders I'm not even sure they would have taken him.

[SkinsJock]

Well with an O-line we could go 8-8, without, probably another 4-12. And it's just going to stay like that every year we don't address the line.

OK - we all know we need an offensive line that can be somewhat effective - why is it that you (and some others) are implying that we can have one or not? We all want a decent offensive line but most here understand that that not only takes players but also some time, like more than a year
You cannot go from having an offensive line like we did last year to having even a half way decent line ready to play this year.

When Bradford can't move fast enough behind our lack of an offensive line, and we have to draft another qb after he dies, that's another year we don't address the O-line. It's like a dance we've been doing ever since Samuels was drafted, which if we didn't have two first rounders I'm not even sure they would have taken him.

are you really serious - if we draft a QB do you think he's just going to be ineffective because the coaches are going to waste him?

do you think it's just draft a couple of guys and add some free agent offensive linemen here and bingo, come September, Campbell or whomever is behind center, is going to be OK?

WAKE UP - IT IS GOING TO BE THE 2012 SEASON before this franchise can put a competitive product on the field

Our best offensive lineman (D. Dockery) is not able to be a decent back-up offensive lineman on almost every team in the NFL

WE HAVE HUGE PROBLEMS AT ALMOST EVERY OFFENSIVE POSITION and some here think that will be "fixed" in a year or two - that just does not show any sense at all

[SkinsJock]

C'mon guys - we are a part of the NFC East - we need a dominant offensive line - all these other teams are way ahead of us

we are trying to rebuild this franchise - give these guys a break and be a little patient while we find our way back to respectability - it is not just happening like magic

[CanesSkins26]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

Problem is we have a chance to draft an elite OT or take a qb with questions.

I think Shanahan and Allen take the "elite OT" - are you sure that Okung is rated that high?
What if Shanahan and Allen rate one of the QBs as having more upside for the franchise than the "elite OT"?

Also, we more than likely need TWO OT's out of this draft, if we even want to field a competitive team next year. Drafting a qb in the first round this draft guarantees a lack of competitiveness for next season, where if you solidify the line and maybe add a rb, wr, etc. the team might not be that bad.

I don't think that many here think we're going to be a competitive franchise that quickly - do you think we have a chance of having a decent offensive line and all the other pieces that mean we can be a decent group offensively, that quickly?

I think we will need 3 drafts and some pretty good FA acquisitions - we are going to see changes on both offense and defense - we are a franchise with very few players playing as a team - we need a lot of help - we might see a consistently competitive product on the field in 2 seasons - that means 2012, not next year -

Well with an O-line we could go 8-8, without, probly another 4-12. And its just going to stay like that every year we don't address the line. When Bradford can't move fast enough behind our lack of an o-line, and we have to draft another qb after he dies, thats another year we don't address the O-line. It's like a dance we've been doing ever since Samuels was drafted, which if we didn't have two first rounders I'm not even sure they would have taken him.

Drafting a couple of offensive linemen isn't going to get us to 8-8. People like to point to the offensive line and it is a problem. However, the problems on this team go far beyond just the offensive line. You look at our offensive and there is pretty much zero elite talent on that unit outside of ey. On defense we are likely going to have some issues if we do in fact switch to a 3-4 and the secondary is also a major concern. It's going to take 2-3 seasons for this team to get fixed.

[HEROHAMO]

The only way you pick a QB in the first round is if you project him to be a once in a decade QB. If you draft someone who is not, to play behind one of the worst O-line's in the league, it's just a waste of a pick. The kid will be so shellshocked, he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

You don't necessarily have to start him season 1.

Problem is we have a chance to draft an elite OT or take a qb with questions.

I think Shanahan and Allen take the "elite OT" - are you sure that Okung is rated that high?
What if Shanahan and Allen rate one of the QBs as having more upside for the franchise than the "elite OT"?

Also, we more than likely need TWO OT's out of this draft, if we even want to field a competitive team next year. Drafting a qb in the first round this draft guarantees a lack of competitiveness for next season, where if you solidify the line and maybe add a rb, wr, etc. the team might not be that bad.

I don't think that many here think we're going to be a competitive franchise that quickly - do you think we have a chance of having a decent offensive line and all the other pieces that mean we can be a decent group offensively, that quickly?

I think we will need 3 drafts and some pretty good FA acquisitions - we are going to see changes on both offense and defense - we are a franchise with very few players playing as a team - we need a lot of help - we might see a consistently competitive product on the field in 2 seasons - that means 2012, not next year -

Well with an O-line we could go 8-8, without, probly another 4-12. And its just going to stay like that every year we don't address the line. When Bradford can't move fast enough behind our lack of an o-line, and we have to draft another qb after he dies, thats another year we don't address the O-line. It's like a dance we've been doing ever since Samuels was drafted, which if we didn't have two first rounders I'm not even sure they would have taken him.

Drafting a couple of offensive linemen isn't going to get us to 8-8. People like to point to the offensive line and it is a problem. However, the problems on this team go far beyond just the offensive line. You look at our offensive and there is pretty much zero elite talent on that unit outside of ey. On defense we are likely going to have some issues if we do in fact switch to a 3-4 and the secondary is also a major concern. It's going to take 2-3 seasons for this team to get fixed.

Im gonna have to disagree there.
When your offensive line is so bad you cant pull off a pass you just dont know how good your receivers are. Take into account that JC has a slow delivery and it makes it even harder to know whether we have good receivers or not?

I would say unless we get an offensive line and maybe a qb who could deliever the ball to our wide outs? Then we just do not know what we have. Fred Davis has shown he can play in this league. At a high level in fact. ey is already a given.
Put Santana Moss on the Colts and he is a 1000 yard receiver in my opinion.

[brad7686]

Well with an O-line we could go 8-8, without, probably another 4-12. And it's just going to stay like that every year we don't address the line.

OK - we all know we need an offensive line that can be somewhat effective - why is it that you (and some others) are implying that we can have one or not? We all want a decent offensive line but most here understand that that not only takes players but also some time, like more than a year
You cannot go from having an offensive line like we did last year to having even a half way decent line ready to play this year.

When Bradford can't move fast enough behind our lack of an offensive line, and we have to draft another qb after he dies, that's another year we don't address the O-line. It's like a dance we've been doing ever since Samuels was drafted, which if we didn't have two first rounders I'm not even sure they would have taken him.

are you really serious - if we draft a QB do you think he's just going to be ineffective because the coaches are going to waste him?

do you think it's just draft a couple of guys and add some free agent offensive linemen here and bingo, come September, Campbell or whomever is behind center, is going to be OK?

WAKE UP - IT IS GOING TO BE THE 2012 SEASON before this franchise can put a competitive product on the field

Our best offensive lineman (D. Dockery) is not able to be a decent back-up offensive lineman on almost every team in the NFL

WE HAVE HUGE PROBLEMS AT ALMOST EVERY OFFENSIVE POSITION and some here think that will be "fixed" in a year or two - that just does not show any sense at all

Well a left tackle will help this team more than anything. And if you want a good, young one, usually it has to be in the first round of the draft. It's not like it would be impossible to add a RG and a RT as well. I'm pretty sure the giants drafted 3/5 or 4/5 of their O-line in one draft. I could be wrong about that. I'm just saying its possible to fix it. There are a lot of free agent guards.

[PulpExposure]

Well I'll just say there are no Dan Marino's in this draft and leave it at that.

Dan Marino was the 27th pick in that draft, behind such immortals as Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason, and Ken O'Brien. If anyone knew he'd end up as good as he did, he would have gone much, much higher.

[Countertrey]

You never know that there was a Dan Marino in the draft... until years later.


Unfortunately, sometimes it works the same way to find that you had a Heath Shuler, instead...