Order of Need

[crazyhorse1]

In order, we need the following:

LT-- OL
RT-- OL
RG-- OL
C-- OL
LB
RB
DT/DE
LG--OL
QB

Exception-- If we can get Iupati (G) in second round, we should. He can also play RT.

We can take Tebow in the eighth round (I'm trying to be funny). However, I'm in favor of inviting him to camp if he doesn't get drafted. Or maybe drafting him as a running back as the fifth player taken by us.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Our #1 individual need is quarterback.

In order, we need the following:

LT-- OL
RT-- OL
RG-- OL
C-- OL
LB
RB
DT/DE
LG--OL
QB

Exception-- If we can get Iupati (G) in second round, we should. He can also play RT.

We can take Tebow in the eighth round (I'm trying to be funny). However, I'm in favor of inviting him to camp if he doesn't get drafted. Or maybe drafting him as a running back as the fifth player taken by us.

[brad7686]

In order, we need the following:

LT-- OL
RT-- OL
RG-- OL
C-- OL
LB
RB
DT/DE
LG--OL
QB

Exception-- If we can get Iupati (G) in second round, we should. He can also play RT.

We can take Tebow in the eighth round (I'm trying to be funny). However, I'm in favor of inviting him to camp if he doesn't get drafted. Or maybe drafting him as a running back as the fifth player taken by us.

I at least agree through Rb. I might switch RB and LB. I also may drop Center down a bit, but he's not great.

[SkinsJock]

We need to start bringing in players that both suit what the coaches plan to do offensively & defensively - players that will make the other players we have here better

Sooner rather than later we need a QB that in 2-3 years (2012 and beyond) is one of the better QBs in the NFL - while we should make a concerted effort to find this incredible QB we also need to prioritize bringing in offensive linemen because this is the area that takes the longest to develop into a cohesive unit

as we add the QB and the offensive linemen we also need to do a much better job at finding decent depth - we have never done very well with identifying players that will become better players but also can contribute to the special teams and such while they learn to play in the NFL - this possibly because the guys running things here did not have a clue

hopefully we are no longer trying to do things like Snyder and Cerrato did and we (the fans) will be okay with letting these guys take a couple of years making this franchise be consistently competitive again

[NEWSKINSFAN119]

In order, we need the following:

LT-- OL
RT-- OL
RG-- OL
C-- OL
LB
RB
DT/DE
LG--OL
QB

Exception-- If we can get Iupati (G) in second round, we should. He can also play RT.

We can take Tebow in the eighth round (I'm trying to be funny). However, I'm in favor of inviting him to camp if he doesn't get drafted. Or maybe drafting him as a running back as the fifth player taken by us.

I agree for the most part but I would say
LT,OL (Best available), QB, DL (best available),RB, OL(best available), Best available player. This all depends on if we get two more draft picks or not because right now we only have five picks (1,2,4,5,7). Free agency is going to be tough to get anyone because of the likely uncapped year and a lot of the talent being RFAs so the draft is more important than ever.

[Manchester_Redskin]

just wondering how the prospect of a lockout in 2011 may effect the draft choices.

[Countertrey]

just wondering how the prospect of a lockout in 2011 may effect the draft choices.

I think they will draft on the assumption that there will be a 2011 season. Why would you do otherwise?

[Countertrey]

Our #1 individual need is quarterback.

In order, we need the following:

LT-- OL
RT-- OL
RG-- OL
C-- OL
LB
RB
DT/DE
LG--OL
QB

Exception-- If we can get Iupati (G) in second round, we should. He can also play RT.

We can take Tebow in the eighth round (I'm trying to be funny). However, I'm in favor of inviting him to camp if he doesn't get drafted. Or maybe drafting him as a running back as the fifth player taken by us.

I agree with CH here...

Of course... an uncapped season provides many options.


More thoughts on the subject...

[KazooSkinsFan]

Our #1 individual need is quarterback.

I agree with CH here...

Of course... an uncapped season provides many options.


More thoughts on the subject...

What difference does it make having an O line that is blocking for a guy who can't get the job done?

#1 - it takes longer to groom a quarterback

#2 - w/o a quarterback it's very, very difficult to win in this league. I'm not downplaying the other needs. I'm just saying that QB is the most important single position on the field and when you don't have one it's your #1 need.

I agree with you though on the uncapped year, implying free agency. I'm not saying QB is our #1 draft need if we can get a decent QB another way and get good OL's in the draft.

Oh, and sorry about your dog.

[SkinsJock]

I agree that QB is not our #1 draft need ... BUT, getting a QB that can be really good in 2012 is a franchise priority - having a really good QB for 10 - 12 years should be the single most important part of an NFL franchise's plan for the future

this year we will see our Washington Redskins transformed as guys who know a little about how to build a team take over from people that were absolutely horrible and inept - I doubt that there was a FO in the NFL that was as bad as the 2 guys we had here - we couldn't even complain about our Front Office's performance because technically we didn't have one

we might not be consistently competitive for a couple of years but we will see a group of players that will play together like we rarely saw the last 10 years - for the most part, we only won games that the teams we were playing against did not play well - it's going to be great to see guys in B&G playing together as a team again - it's going to be priceless to know that when we have a chance to win a game in the 4th quarter, we have a QB that can get the job done that is worth waiting for

[PulpExposure]

Yeah, I think it's clear that our offensive line is horrible. It's also clear that we don't have a good quarterback. In a vacuum, you'd go o-line.

However, if the FO is sure that one of the QBs available at 4 will be the guy to run our franchise for the next decade...you have to pick him. And this is coming from someone who is a big o-line believer. It's just that QB is that important in todays NFL.

Granted, if they go that way, they have to improve the o-line in other ways. But it's possible; you can get good linemen outside the 1st round, after all.

[SkinsJock]

Yeah, I think it's clear that our offensive line is horrible. It's also clear that we don't have a good quarterback. In a vacuum, you'd go o-line.
However, if the FO is sure that one of the QBs available at 4 will be the guy to run our franchise for the next decade...you have to pick him. And this is coming from someone who is a big o-line believer. It's just that QB is that important in todays NFL.
Granted, if they go that way, they have to improve the o-line in other ways. But it's possible; you can get good linemen outside the 1st round, after all.

I agree Pulp - you've summed it up well

I also think that both the offensive and defensive lines and depth along both lines is very important and should always be maintained

We have the #4 pick and I'm fine with that being a QB if these guys think that guy can be a good QB here for 10 -12 years - that does not mean he needs to start this year or even next

we need to get this team back on track with using as many draft picks as possible each year & even trading players for draft picks or for other young prospects that can be productive here - I'm not sure we have many players that are worth a 1st OR a 2nd round pick & that is a sorry statement about the number of quality players we have

it is important to have some veterans but it is also important in my opinion to be a younger team and have a lot of depth - we have made the mistake of having too big a gap in play quality between the mega stars we bring in and the guys that back them up - I think it is better to have a lot of players contributing along both lines than having a few great players, which, when they are not able to play, causes the team to suffer because of the disparity in the quality of play

we most definetly need a lot of help at every position along the offensive line but we also are going to have guys managing this team (at least for the next couple of years) that know what they are doing - I'm not sure that things can get as good as some think, in a year or 2, but I do have faith that things have a much better chance with these guys in charge

let's put it this way, I do not think we'll be picking in the top 10 in next year's draft

[KazooSkinsFan]

However, if the FO is sure that one of the QBs available at 4 will be the guy to run our franchise for the next decade...you have to pick him. And this is coming from someone who is a big o-line believer. It's just that QB is that important in todays NFL.

This is exactly the point. I'm not saying we pick a mediocre QB just to have one. We already have a mediocre QB. If we have little confidence in anyone available, we go OL if possible. But if there is a guy we think is the answer, you just can't pass on him for any other position, even OL. Then we do everything else to address the line.

[Countertrey]

Our #1 individual need is quarterback.

I agree with CH here...

Of course... an uncapped season provides many options.


More thoughts on the subject...

What difference does it make having an O line that is blocking for a guy who can't get the job done?

#1 - it takes longer to groom a quarterback

#2 - w/o a quarterback it's very, very difficult to win in this league. I'm not downplaying the other needs. I'm just saying that QB is the most important single position on the field and when you don't have one it's your #1 need.

I agree with you though on the uncapped year, implying free agency. I'm not saying QB is our #1 draft need if we can get a decent QB another way and get good OL's in the draft.

Oh, and sorry about your dog.

Look, I really don't have a problem with the skin's using the pick on a QB, IF, as SJ opined, they believe he will be the leader for 10-12 years. Franchise quarterbacks are truly a rare commodity...

However, while I agree that grooming a quarterback takes longer than grooming an individual O-lineman, that is not the same as saying you can create an O-line in a couple of months. It takes over a year for an O-line fo fully gel. That's not small potatoes...

I don't believe that getting a QB for the future excludes a deliberate, focused effort on creating the OL to go with that QB. Consider that part of the development of the OLine is understanding the speed, strengths and even weaknesses of the quarterback.

My feeling is, the more critical procurement is OL... because, while he's not the future, Campbell is probably adequate with an OL in front of him. Even if they go and get the QB of the future... he is not likely to be starting in 2010.

[NEWSKINSFAN119]

Our #1 individual need is quarterback.

In order, we need the following:

LT-- OL
RT-- OL
RG-- OL
C-- OL
LB
RB
DT/DE
LG--OL
QB

Exception-- If we can get Iupati (G) in second round, we should. He can also play RT.

We can take Tebow in the eighth round (I'm trying to be funny). However, I'm in favor of inviting him to camp if he doesn't get drafted. Or maybe drafting him as a running back as the fifth player taken by us.

I agree with CH here...

Of course... an uncapped season provides many options.








More thoughts on the subject...

Not really according to this article an uncapped year makes signing free agents harder because most are restricted free agents or are going to be franchise tagged. here it is

http://www.3rdstringsafety.com/2009/10/ ... pped-year/

[crazyhorse1]

However, if the FO is sure that one of the QBs available at 4 will be the guy to run our franchise for the next decade...you have to pick him. And this is coming from someone who is a big o-line believer. It's just that QB is that important in todays NFL.

This is exactly the point. I'm not saying we pick a mediocre QB just to have one. We already have a mediocre QB. If we have little confidence in anyone available, we go OL if possible. But if there is a guy we think is the answer, you just can't pass on him for any other position, even OL. Then we do everything else to address the line.

A couple of points--

There are problems/questions about all of this year's QB's coming out. If Bradford's arm is ok, he comes closest to a QB we need, but even healthy, there are ample reasons to believe he'll be a medicre pro, arm strenght being number one.

Point two. It's not clear Campbell is only mediocre. He's currently ranked 15th among NFL QB's, but it's pretty clear that he would have been higher than that with better receivers, runners, offensive line, etc. It's much more likely that he'll finish in the top ten next year (if problems are addressed) than it is that Bradford or any other QB in the draft will wind up as good as mediocre anytime soon, or ever.

There is no superstar QB coming out this year. There, I said it. There are problems with all of them.

[brad7686]

However, if the FO is sure that one of the QBs available at 4 will be the guy to run our franchise for the next decade...you have to pick him. And this is coming from someone who is a big o-line believer. It's just that QB is that important in todays NFL.

This is exactly the point. I'm not saying we pick a mediocre QB just to have one. We already have a mediocre QB. If we have little confidence in anyone available, we go OL if possible. But if there is a guy we think is the answer, you just can't pass on him for any other position, even OL. Then we do everything else to address the line.

A couple of points--

There are problems/questions about all of this year's QB's coming out. If Bradford's arm is ok, he comes closest to a QB we need, but even healthy, there are ample reasons to believe he'll be a medicre pro, arm strenght being number one.

Point two. It's not clear Campbell is only mediocre. He's currently ranked 15th among NFL QB's, but it's pretty clear that he would have been higher than that with better receivers, runners, offensive line, etc. It's much more likely that he'll finish in the top ten next year (if problems are addressed) than it is that Bradford or any other QB in the draft will wind up as good as mediocre anytime soon, or ever.

There is no superstar QB coming out this year. There, I said it. There are problems with all of them.

Yea I agree, this is not a qb class. Clausen is the best one and he's getting dumped on because he played at Notre Dame. I think its easier to evaluate him since they were so bad and they played a lot of good teams. How can you evaluate Bradford? He was on an NFL team playing college teams basically.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Point two. It's not clear Campbell is only mediocre. He's currently ranked 15th among NFL QB's, but it's pretty clear that he would have been higher than that with better receivers, runners, offensive line, etc. It's much more likely that he'll finish in the top ten next year (if problems are addressed) than it is that Bradford or any other QB in the draft will wind up as good as mediocre anytime soon, or ever

I'd have said he's not mediocre, he sucks and would have been in the bottom 10 if he hadn't padded his stats playing so many prevent D's. The guy can't make quick decisions, can't hit wide open receivers consistently and doesn't loft the ball when going down field and isn't improving in any of those. He sucks.

There is no superstar QB coming out this year. There, I said it. There are problems with all of them.

I don't disagree with you on that. I'm not arguing we should draft a quarterback, only that IF there is one the coaches like enough, that would take precedence. It could very well be the case none of them are that good.

[Countertrey]

Mike Shanahan knows what he's about. I'm going to be fine with whatever his call is on this. I have a feeling that he has a long term plan, with plenty of contingencies. I don't see rebuilding the line and getting a quarterback as necessarily mutually exclusive. Campbell, we can agree, is probably not the future... however, he would be adequate in a rebuilding year behind a competent OL.

And, NEWSKINSFAN119, there will be enough options in FA to provide some fodder for the 'skins to consider. The fix is likely in a combination of the draft AND FA. BTW, the options availible in a cap free year are about much more than just buying up free agents.

[PulpExposure]

Mike Shanahan knows what he's about. I'm going to be fine with whatever his call is on this. I have a feeling that he has a long term plan, with plenty of contingencies. I don't see rebuilding the line and getting a quarterback as necessarily mutually exclusive. Campbell, we can agree, is probably not the future... however, he would be adequate in a rebuilding year behind a competent OL.

Agreed. However, we'll likely not have a draft pick this high again for awhile (Shanahan alone is worth more than 4 wins...); and whatever QB we choose to draft down the line will be one later in the draft...with obvious flaws.

[crazyhorse1]

Mike Shanahan knows what he's about. I'm going to be fine with whatever his call is on this. I have a feeling that he has a long term plan, with plenty of contingencies. I don't see rebuilding the line and getting a quarterback as necessarily mutually exclusive. Campbell, we can agree, is probably not the future... however, he would be adequate in a rebuilding year behind a competent OL.

Agreed. However, we'll likely not have a draft pick this high again for awhile (Shanahan alone is worth more than 4 wins...); and whatever QB we choose to draft down the line will be one later in the draft...with obvious flaws.

Shanahan worth four wins "alone?" No way Shanahan wins eight games without bothering to rebuild the OL. No way. He has weaknesses. For one thing, inspite of being an excellent coach in many ways, he's a poor judge of talent. So is Allen.
I expect Allan and Shanahan to blow this draft. They'll probably take Bradford and may draft for other than the OL in the second. Maybe a running back to replace Portis. I'm holding my breath.

[SkinsJock]

Shanahan worth four wins "alone?" No way Shanahan wins eight games without bothering to rebuild the OL. No way. He has weaknesses. For one thing, inspite of being an excellent coach in many ways, he's a poor judge of talent. So is Allen.
I expect Allan and Shanahan to blow this draft. They'll probably take Bradford and may draft for other than the OL in the second. Maybe a running back to replace Portis. I'm holding my breath.

well that's the positive side of the fan base showing why his opinions here are held in such high regard

I think what Pulp meant (I'm not certain, but ... ) was that given the new management and that Shanahan is not only the Head Coach, he's basically in charge here now - we have a good chance of seeing a franchise with a lot of players on the same page - I'll agree that the results should at least be a bit better than 4 - 4 - predicting that we'll go 8-8 is not that much of a stretch given that (despite what CH thinks) we'll have a better group of players, there will be a lot more accountability, and, it certainly would seem like we'll have a lot better game planning on both offense and defense

I'm not sure that we will be a playoff contender at the end of 2011 (even if there is any NFL games) but I do think we'll be a lot more competitive - I also agree that we'll not be picking in the top 10 for a while here - sooo ... IF this FO group likes a QB I would not think it a stretch to take a QB - that's really not a big deal - we have a lot of players that we need here and it's going to take a couple of drafts and some skillful management to get there - of course IF CH is right and this FO is not a lot better than the stupidity that we've had managing for the past 10 years then we're just going to continue to suck, big time and it really doesn't matter who we pick - hell we should just hire CH and let him run things

[crazyhorse1]

Shanahan worth four wins "alone?" No way Shanahan wins eight games without bothering to rebuild the OL. No way. He has weaknesses. For one thing, inspite of being an excellent coach in many ways, he's a poor judge of talent. So is Allen.
I expect Allan and Shanahan to blow this draft. They'll probably take Bradford and may draft for other than the OL in the second. Maybe a running back to replace Portis. I'm holding my breath.

well that's the positive side of the fan base showing why his opinions here are held in such high regard

I think what Pulp meant (I'm not certain, but ... ) was that given the new management and that Shanahan is not only the Head Coach, he's basically in charge here now - we have a good chance of seeing a franchise with a lot of players on the same page - I'll agree that the results should at least be a bit better than 4 - 4 - predicting that we'll go 8-8 is not that much of a stretch given that (despite what CH thinks) we'll have a better group of players, there will be a lot more accountability, and, it certainly would seem like we'll have a lot better game planning on both offense and defense

I'm not sure that we will be a playoff contender at the end of 2011 (even if there is any NFL games) but I do think we'll be a lot more competitive - I also agree that we'll not be picking in the top 10 for a while here - sooo ... IF this FO group likes a QB I would not think it a stretch to take a QB - that's really not a big deal - we have a lot of players that we need here and it's going to take a couple of drafts and some skillful management to get there - of course IF CH is right and this FO is not a lot better than the stupidity that we've had managing for the past 10 years then we're just going to continue to suck, big time and it really doesn't matter who we pick - hell we should just hire CH and let him run things

"Blowing the draft" means to me failing to draft for the OL in the first two rounds. "Halfway blowing the draft" means drafting a QB in the first round
and failing to draft an OL in the second round.
Here's what I would regard as a catastrophe that could easily happen:

Clausen (QB) or Bradford (Clausen especially)
Ryan Mathews (RB) or a WR or a LB

Speaking of weakness in relation to personnel: drafting a LB in order to switch to a 3-4 would be classic

[PulpExposure]

I think what Pulp meant (I'm not certain, but ... ) was that given the new management and that Shanahan is not only the Head Coach, he's basically in charge here now - we have a good chance of seeing a franchise with a lot of players on the same page - I'll agree that the results should at least be a bit better than 4 - 4 - predicting that we'll go 8-8 is not that much of a stretch given that (despite what CH thinks) we'll have a better group of players, there will be a lot more accountability, and, it certainly would seem like we'll have a lot better game planning on both offense and defense

Pretty much. Just having professional football people in control of the team, including a head coach who actually knows what he's doing, will be worth victories. No, he alone won't magically turn the Redskins into a great team...but Shanahan has never in his NFL tenure had a season as miserable as the one we just had. His worst year he went 6-10, but that was after he won his second Superbowl, Elway retired, etc....and the next year they went 11-5.

Having a competant head coach will mean a lot to this team.

[mulkey]

Hello Redskin faithful been awhile since I've posted.
Anyway, I really don't understand all the talk about a qb. If the skins build the offensive line to what it once was (Mark Rypien days) then the qb shouldn't matterThe offensive line is where it's won and lost.
Give any qb in this league time with a good running game and he will pick you apart. I would really like to see what Campbell could do if he had time. He's definitly tough enough.
I don't think any qb they draft would replace Campbell this year anyway. So why waste a pick on someone that won't play for two years.
Just my 2 cents.