Tebow's Our Future Leader Get Used To It

[HEROHAMO]

Chances of Tebow being taken at no.4 are highly unlikely.
I also think Jacksonville will grab him at no. 10 So we should not be too concerned about this actually happening.

All I am saying is I support taking a chance on a high character winner like Tebow. Drafting Tebow would not be my first choice of scenerios. I actually think we should aim for the offensive line. However if we took Tebow I could live with it.

Tebow is nothing like Schuler or Wuerfel.

[Pablo]

Man !! I like the guy , he has intangible and leadership and all the right qualities a mom would like her daugther's husband to have. The NFL is a whole different world and his fotball qualities are not there for a starting QB, sorry,but maybe and maybe anoter position Tebow.

[NewRegime]

Well, I hope the Senior Bowl has put this notion to rest.

Tebow is a project. A very raw and athletic kid, he needs a lot of coachign up. No matter how much "intangibles" the kid has, unless he sees the field, he is not firing anyone up.

[crazyhorse1]

For some reason I think Tebow is going to do fine in the NFL. I know I have already said in a past thread that he will turn out to be a bust.

But, Tebow has done nothing but win in college. He also has high character and work ethic. So in Tebows case I think he will be a project who ultimatley becomes a success. I would say a two to three year project.

While he would not be my first choice at no. 4. Nor do I think we should draft him in the first round. However a 2nd or 3rd round pick used for him I could live with.

So I am going on record as a Tebow supporter. Highly unlikely we take him at no. 4 but I still could live with it.

My team in college did very well (so I guess I'm a winner), with me working hard and of the highest character. No women, no dope, no booze, no smoking. Unfortunately, I had no arm either-- sort of like Tebow. So ended up coaching. My buddy X, unlike me, had all the vices
and was impossible to coach, but had a great arm. He ended up playing for the Steelers.

[HEROHAMO]

For some reason I think Tebow is going to do fine in the NFL. I know I have already said in a past thread that he will turn out to be a bust.

But, Tebow has done nothing but win in college. He also has high character and work ethic. So in Tebows case I think he will be a project who ultimatley becomes a success. I would say a two to three year project.

While he would not be my first choice at no. 4. Nor do I think we should draft him in the first round. However a 2nd or 3rd round pick used for him I could live with.

So I am going on record as a Tebow supporter. Highly unlikely we take him at no. 4 but I still could live with it.

My team in college did very well (so I guess I'm a winner), with me working hard and of the highest character. No women, no dope, no booze, no smoking. Unfortunately, I had no arm either-- sort of like Tebow. So ended up coaching. My buddy X, unlike me, had all the vices
and was impossible to coach, but had a great arm. He ended up playing for the Steelers.

Tebow has a good arm, he just has a slow delivery. People speak as if Tebow has no arm at all and no kind of experience.
Yes he has work to do this I agree. He has to learn how to read an NFL defense but all rookies do. He has to work on his mechanics as well.

Tebow is similar to Vince Young. Vince Young has seemed to come out ok. Vince still has work to do, but has improved vastly. I see no reason Tebow cant do the same.

[CanesSkins26]

For some reason I think Tebow is going to do fine in the NFL. I know I have already said in a past thread that he will turn out to be a bust.

But, Tebow has done nothing but win in college. He also has high character and work ethic. So in Tebows case I think he will be a project who ultimatley becomes a success. I would say a two to three year project.

While he would not be my first choice at no. 4. Nor do I think we should draft him in the first round. However a 2nd or 3rd round pick used for him I could live with.

So I am going on record as a Tebow supporter. Highly unlikely we take him at no. 4 but I still could live with it.

My team in college did very well (so I guess I'm a winner), with me working hard and of the highest character. No women, no dope, no booze, no smoking. Unfortunately, I had no arm either-- sort of like Tebow. So ended up coaching. My buddy X, unlike me, had all the vices
and was impossible to coach, but had a great arm. He ended up playing for the Steelers.

Tebow has a good arm, he just has a slow delivery. People speak as if Tebow has no arm at all and no kind of experience.
Yes he has work to do this I agree. He has to learn how to read an NFL defense but all rookies do. He has to work on his mechanics as well.

Tebow is similar to Vince Young. Vince Young has seemed to come out ok. Vince still has work to do, but has improved vastly. I see no reason Tebow cant do the same.

There are significant differences between Young and Tebow. Most importantly, Young can run effectively in the NFL. Tebow doesn't have anywhere near Young's speed and he wont be able to run over NFL players. As for passing, Young still has a ways to go and he has already been in the NFL for four years.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Well, I hope the Senior Bowl has put this notion to rest.

Well, it should resolve it, but Colt being put on IR, which was essentially being cut in that circumstance, for nobody (we didn't keep a third QB) didn't even phase the the loonies who want to get into his pants, so why would Tebow sucking against his peers showing most draft analysts are right resolve anything?

[brad7686]

For some reason I think Tebow is going to do fine in the NFL. I know I have already said in a past thread that he will turn out to be a bust.

But, Tebow has done nothing but win in college. He also has high character and work ethic. So in Tebows case I think he will be a project who ultimatley becomes a success. I would say a two to three year project.

While he would not be my first choice at no. 4. Nor do I think we should draft him in the first round. However a 2nd or 3rd round pick used for him I could live with.

So I am going on record as a Tebow supporter. Highly unlikely we take him at no. 4 but I still could live with it.

My team in college did very well (so I guess I'm a winner), with me working hard and of the highest character. No women, no dope, no booze, no smoking. Unfortunately, I had no arm either-- sort of like Tebow. So ended up coaching. My buddy X, unlike me, had all the vices
and was impossible to coach, but had a great arm. He ended up playing for the Steelers.

Tebow has a good arm, he just has a slow delivery. People speak as if Tebow has no arm at all and no kind of experience.
Yes he has work to do this I agree. He has to learn how to read an NFL defense but all rookies do. He has to work on his mechanics as well.

Tebow is similar to Vince Young. Vince Young has seemed to come out ok. Vince still has work to do, but has improved vastly. I see no reason Tebow cant do the same.

There are significant differences between Young and Tebow. Most importantly, Young can run effectively in the NFL. Tebow doesn't have anywhere near Young's speed and he wont be able to run over NFL players. As for passing, Young still has a ways to go and he has already been in the NFL for four years.

Also, Young has a cannon.

[langleyparkjoe]

Pike Pike Pike Pike!!!!! .. but I'm cool with Sam

[brad7686]

Pike Pike Pike Pike!!!!! .. but I'm cool with Sam

I don't see what the big deal is with pike. I've never seen him throw a ball over 8 mph.

[langleyparkjoe]

Pike Pike Pike Pike!!!!! .. but I'm cool with Sam

I don't see what the big deal is with pike. I've never seen him throw a ball over 8 mph.

Than my friend, you've NEVER seen him play during the regular season. Granted, Big East isn't like football town but dude is SICK

[BossHog]

Well, it should resolve it, but Colt being put on IR, which was essentially being cut in that circumstance, for nobody (we didn't keep a third QB) didn't even phase the the loonies who want to get into his pants, so why would Tebow sucking against his peers showing most draft analysts are right resolve anything?

How is Colt being put on IR the same as cutting him? Why wouldn't they just cut him then? it would be very easy to say that the fact that they DID put him on IR means they at least saw something in him that they thought was worth protecting... even if to just give him another kick at the can in making the roster in 2010.

Tebow could very well prove to be just such a project... which is why you don't waste the number 4 pick on him and get someone that you can slot into an existing hole immediately. He'll get picked up later on and work his way into a role somewhere... but IMO, it will be in the future.

[langleyparkjoe]

Yea I think we all kind of got lost in this thread.. the main point EVERYONE agrees with (except for my boy GU4L) is that Tebow, if picked, should NOT be picked in the first round by OUR Washington Redskins!

[SkinsJock]

Tebow might (very iffy, IMO) be a part of this franchise but there is no way Tebow will be picked in the top half of the first round - I think that almost every NFL scout and FO realize that this guy's future in the NFL is a little down the road and nobody really wants to use up a top 20 pick for a 'project' at QB

I think even G4L has seen that too

[CanesSkins26]

Yea I think we all kind of got lost in this thread.. the main point EVERYONE agrees with (except for my boy GU4L) is that Tebow, if picked, should NOT be picked in the first round by OUR Washington Redskins!

There are two problems with Pike. One, he needs to bulk up (can easily be done). The second, however, is that some people question his work ethic. That is a concern, particularly at the qb spot.

For example, he measured in at 6'5" and 212 pounds. He needs to seriously bulk up or he will get killed in the NFL.

Here are Todd McShay's notes on Pike from the Senior Bowl practices....

Monday (1/25/10): Pike weighed in at only 212 pounds on his 6-foot-5⅝ frame and sorely needs to add bulk to his frame to mitigate durability concerns. The ball jumped out of his hand in practice, though, and he clearly has the strongest arm of the North quarterbacks. His release was a bit funky but the ball gets out quickly so that's not a concern. When he was throwing routes he's comfortable with he had good rhythm and accuracy. However, he struggled to make more complex reads and hit smaller windows when dropping from under center, and he is still learning to throw before receivers ware out of their breaks. His timing was off in those situations and he tended to miss high.

Tuesday (1/26/10): Pike had a good showing on Day 2 and was the best North quarterback in terms of rhythm and timing. He showed good arm strength on intermediate and out routes, and Pike was very decisive getting the ball out of his hands on play-action. He saw the field well and made good decisions and quick reads, including an impressive throw during 7-on-7 drills. Pike made an effective play-action fake and then stared down Nebraska S Larry Asante, manipulating Asante with his eyes before showing good touch while delivering a strike to Oregon TE Ed Dickson on a post route. Pike cannot be touched by the pass rush here at the Senior Bowl so concerns about his lean frame remain, but he is beginning to separate himself from the rest of the North quarterbacks.

Wednesday (1/27/10): Pike had a bad day in terms of both accuracy and decision making. He consistently overthrew receivers during 1-on-1s, 7-on-7s and the team period. In a drill with running backs and tight ends against linebackers and safeties -- one that is a great decision making test because one receiver is going to be singled and two others doubled -- he threw into double-coverage on the first rep. The pass was completed because of Pike's arm strength, but he had another receiver wide open against single coverage. He did not see the easier, smarter throw, which is even more concerning given the fact that there was no pass rush and he had all the time he needed to read the field and find the best matchup. During the team period Pike threw an interception because he was late releasing the ball on a corner route, and while he continues to show a strong arm he has done nothing to alleviate concerns about his inconsistent decision making. That becomes an even bigger issue for spread-system quarterbacks like Pike because coverages cannot be dictated as easily in a pro-style offense and at the next level quarterbacks are asked to read coverages and find single coverage much more often.

Thursday (1/28/10): It's hard to get a good feel during a no-pad practice, though Pike didn't make mistakes and looked good working slants, in routes and quick-hitters near the goal line. He also dropped in a perfect fade route to former college teammate Mardy Gilyard, and while Gilyard dropped the ball it was thrown in a spot where only he could get to it. Pike also showed good timing, fit the ball into tight spots and knew when to change velocity to get the ball to his receivers. On a day when players can't really move the needle much Pike did put a cap on what has been a very successful week. He is clearly the best pro prospects of the six quarterbacks here in Mobile.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4855890

[KazooSkinsFan]

How is Colt being put on IR the same as cutting him? Why wouldn't they just cut him then? it would be very easy to say that the fact that they DID put him on IR means they at least saw something in him that they thought was worth protecting... even if to just give him another kick at the can in making the roster in 2010.

I said "essentially" the same. It is far more negative then positive. The guy had been in the system for a year. By putting him on IR we can't bring him back this year. And we kept only two QBs, that means we thought if they both went down we'd rather go out and get a random, available QB then keep him available as third emergency. We also can't have him practice with the team or let him even stand on the sidelines in games. If there was much faith in the guy at all, we'd have never done that. Hence it's essentially cutting him.

So why not cut him? In finance there's a saying that an option is better alive then dead. If you have an option to sell a share of stock at $10 and it's trading at $100 there is almost no chance you'll use the option. But if you already have it, why not keep it in case the floor falls out? He's cheap and we'll need QB depth in camp. So the question really is why cut him now? Maybe there is a glimmer of long shot one day hope. Maybe we go into camp with another option. He knows the system better then an undrafted QB we could pick up after the draft and with so many players to throw to you need extra QB's in camp or the top guys won't have arms left. So, why cut him now?

Tebow could very well prove to be just such a project... which is why you don't waste the number 4 pick on him and get someone that you can slot into an existing hole immediately. He'll get picked up later on and work his way into a role somewhere... but IMO, it will be in the future.

Agreed. I was arguing against having him as a high draft pick. I have no issue with drafting him on day two if the coaches see some potential.

[crazyhorse1]

How is Colt being put on IR the same as cutting him? Why wouldn't they just cut him then? it would be very easy to say that the fact that they DID put him on IR means they at least saw something in him that they thought was worth protecting... even if to just give him another kick at the can in making the roster in 2010.

I said "essentially" the same. It is far more negative then positive. The guy had been in the system for a year. By putting him on IR we can't bring him back this year. And we kept only two QBs, that means we thought if they both went down we'd rather go out and get a random, available QB then keep him available as third emergency. We also can't have him practice with the team or let him even stand on the sidelines in games. If there was much faith in the guy at all, we'd have never done that. Hence it's essentially cutting him.

So why not cut him? In finance there's a saying that an option is better alive then dead. If you have an option to sell a share of stock at $10 and it's trading at $100 there is almost no chance you'll use the option. But if you already have it, why not keep it in case the floor falls out? He's cheap and we'll need QB depth in camp. So the question really is why cut him now? Maybe there is a glimmer of long shot one day hope. Maybe we go into camp with another option. He knows the system better then an undrafted QB we could pick up after the draft and with so many players to throw to you need extra QB's in camp or the top guys won't have arms left. So, why cut him now?

Tebow could very well prove to be just such a project... which is why you don't waste the number 4 pick on him and get someone that you can slot into an existing hole immediately. He'll get picked up later on and work his way into a role somewhere... but IMO, it will be in the future.

Agreed. I was arguing against having him as a high draft pick. I have no issue with drafting him on day two if the coaches see some potential.

Drafting Tebow on the second day round instead of drafting for the OL would be the height of silly. There will excellent OL on the second day-- first team prospects, not projects (like Tebow).

[brad7686]

How is Colt being put on IR the same as cutting him? Why wouldn't they just cut him then? it would be very easy to say that the fact that they DID put him on IR means they at least saw something in him that they thought was worth protecting... even if to just give him another kick at the can in making the roster in 2010.

I said "essentially" the same. It is far more negative then positive. The guy had been in the system for a year. By putting him on IR we can't bring him back this year. And we kept only two QBs, that means we thought if they both went down we'd rather go out and get a random, available QB then keep him available as third emergency. We also can't have him practice with the team or let him even stand on the sidelines in games. If there was much faith in the guy at all, we'd have never done that. Hence it's essentially cutting him.

So why not cut him? In finance there's a saying that an option is better alive then dead. If you have an option to sell a share of stock at $10 and it's trading at $100 there is almost no chance you'll use the option. But if you already have it, why not keep it in case the floor falls out? He's cheap and we'll need QB depth in camp. So the question really is why cut him now? Maybe there is a glimmer of long shot one day hope. Maybe we go into camp with another option. He knows the system better then an undrafted QB we could pick up after the draft and with so many players to throw to you need extra QB's in camp or the top guys won't have arms left. So, why cut him now?

Tebow could very well prove to be just such a project... which is why you don't waste the number 4 pick on him and get someone that you can slot into an existing hole immediately. He'll get picked up later on and work his way into a role somewhere... but IMO, it will be in the future.

Agreed. I was arguing against having him as a high draft pick. I have no issue with drafting him on day two if the coaches see some potential.

Drafting Tebow on the second day round instead of drafting for the OL would be the height of silly. There will excellent OL on the second day-- first team prospects, not projects (like Tebow).

Well if you don't think he should be drafted on day 2, then i think you're suggesting he should go undrafted.

[Countertrey]

I think he's suggesting that Tebow be undrafted by the Redskins. We are not in a position where we can afford a project.

Tebow certainly has the heart, and probably the mind, to be an NFL QB... but his skill set does not match up... at least not yet.

The height of silly...

Yes.

[DesertSkin]

I think he's suggesting that Tebow be undrafted by the Redskins. We are not in a position where we can afford a project.

Tebow certainly has the heart, and probably the mind, to be an NFL QB... but his skill set does not match up... at least not yet.

The height of silly...

Yes.

Or he could be refering to the fact that the draft is THREE days this year!!!!

Making "Third Day Pick" a new term

[KazooSkinsFan]

Drafting Tebow on the second day round instead of drafting for the OL would be the height of silly. There will excellent OL on the second day-- first team prospects, not projects (like Tebow).

I'm not arguing we SHOULD draft him on day two (or apparently three). But I can't agree ever with going into a draft saying we will only draft for position. IF there's no OL the PTB's think stand out (i.e., pick one or two after the draft, same thing) AND the coaches really think with a year or two under his belt he COULD actually develop into a good QB, then you take Tebow in a heartbeat. QB's are a lot harder to find then OL's. And if he doesn't pan out like Colt didn't, that doesn't mean it was a mistake. You roll the dice on the odds.

[SkinsJock]

There are two problems with Pike. One, he needs to bulk up (can easily be done). The second, however, is that some people question his work ethic. That is a concern, particularly at the qb spot.

For example, he measured in at 6'5" and 212 pounds. He needs to seriously bulk up or he will get killed in the NFL.

Here are Todd McShay's notes on Pike from the Senior Bowl practices....

Monday (1/25/10): Pike weighed in at only 212 pounds on his 6-foot-5⅝ frame and sorely needs to add bulk to his frame to mitigate durability concerns. The ball jumped out of his hand in practice, though, and he clearly has the strongest arm of the North quarterbacks. His release was a bit funky but the ball gets out quickly so that's not a concern. When he was throwing routes he's comfortable with he had good rhythm and accuracy. However, he struggled to make more complex reads and hit smaller windows when dropping from under center, and he is still learning to throw before receivers ware out of their breaks. His timing was off in those situations and he tended to miss high.

Tuesday (1/26/10): Pike had a good showing on Day 2 and was the best North quarterback in terms of rhythm and timing. He showed good arm strength on intermediate and out routes, and Pike was very decisive getting the ball out of his hands on play-action. He saw the field well and made good decisions and quick reads, including an impressive throw during 7-on-7 drills. Pike made an effective play-action fake and then stared down Nebraska S Larry Asante, manipulating Asante with his eyes before showing good touch while delivering a strike to Oregon TE Ed Dickson on a post route. Pike cannot be touched by the pass rush here at the Senior Bowl so concerns about his lean frame remain, but he is beginning to separate himself from the rest of the North quarterbacks.

Wednesday (1/27/10): Pike had a bad day in terms of both accuracy and decision making. He consistently overthrew receivers during 1-on-1s, 7-on-7s and the team period. In a drill with running backs and tight ends against linebackers and safeties -- one that is a great decision making test because one receiver is going to be singled and two others doubled -- he threw into double-coverage on the first rep. The pass was completed because of Pike's arm strength, but he had another receiver wide open against single coverage. He did not see the easier, smarter throw, which is even more concerning given the fact that there was no pass rush and he had all the time he needed to read the field and find the best matchup. During the team period Pike threw an interception because he was late releasing the ball on a corner route, and while he continues to show a strong arm he has done nothing to alleviate concerns about his inconsistent decision making. That becomes an even bigger issue for spread-system quarterbacks like Pike because coverages cannot be dictated as easily in a pro-style offense and at the next level quarterbacks are asked to read coverages and find single coverage much more often.

Thursday (1/28/10): It's hard to get a good feel during a no-pad practice, though Pike didn't make mistakes and looked good working slants, in routes and quick-hitters near the goal line. He also dropped in a perfect fade route to former college teammate Mardy Gilyard, and while Gilyard dropped the ball it was thrown in a spot where only he could get to it. Pike also showed good timing, fit the ball into tight spots and knew when to change velocity to get the ball to his receivers. On a day when players can't really move the needle much Pike did put a cap on what has been a very successful week. He is clearly the best pro prospects of the six quarterbacks here in Mobile.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4855890

SORRY - what does this have to do with the basis of this thread in that we are bringing in Tebow with the thinking that he is going to be our QB?

[brad7686]

There are two problems with Pike. One, he needs to bulk up (can easily be done). The second, however, is that some people question his work ethic. That is a concern, particularly at the qb spot.

For example, he measured in at 6'5" and 212 pounds. He needs to seriously bulk up or he will get killed in the NFL.

Here are Todd McShay's notes on Pike from the Senior Bowl practices....

Monday (1/25/10): Pike weighed in at only 212 pounds on his 6-foot-5⅝ frame and sorely needs to add bulk to his frame to mitigate durability concerns. The ball jumped out of his hand in practice, though, and he clearly has the strongest arm of the North quarterbacks. His release was a bit funky but the ball gets out quickly so that's not a concern. When he was throwing routes he's comfortable with he had good rhythm and accuracy. However, he struggled to make more complex reads and hit smaller windows when dropping from under center, and he is still learning to throw before receivers ware out of their breaks. His timing was off in those situations and he tended to miss high.

Tuesday (1/26/10): Pike had a good showing on Day 2 and was the best North quarterback in terms of rhythm and timing. He showed good arm strength on intermediate and out routes, and Pike was very decisive getting the ball out of his hands on play-action. He saw the field well and made good decisions and quick reads, including an impressive throw during 7-on-7 drills. Pike made an effective play-action fake and then stared down Nebraska S Larry Asante, manipulating Asante with his eyes before showing good touch while delivering a strike to Oregon TE Ed Dickson on a post route. Pike cannot be touched by the pass rush here at the Senior Bowl so concerns about his lean frame remain, but he is beginning to separate himself from the rest of the North quarterbacks.

Wednesday (1/27/10): Pike had a bad day in terms of both accuracy and decision making. He consistently overthrew receivers during 1-on-1s, 7-on-7s and the team period. In a drill with running backs and tight ends against linebackers and safeties -- one that is a great decision making test because one receiver is going to be singled and two others doubled -- he threw into double-coverage on the first rep. The pass was completed because of Pike's arm strength, but he had another receiver wide open against single coverage. He did not see the easier, smarter throw, which is even more concerning given the fact that there was no pass rush and he had all the time he needed to read the field and find the best matchup. During the team period Pike threw an interception because he was late releasing the ball on a corner route, and while he continues to show a strong arm he has done nothing to alleviate concerns about his inconsistent decision making. That becomes an even bigger issue for spread-system quarterbacks like Pike because coverages cannot be dictated as easily in a pro-style offense and at the next level quarterbacks are asked to read coverages and find single coverage much more often.

Thursday (1/28/10): It's hard to get a good feel during a no-pad practice, though Pike didn't make mistakes and looked good working slants, in routes and quick-hitters near the goal line. He also dropped in a perfect fade route to former college teammate Mardy Gilyard, and while Gilyard dropped the ball it was thrown in a spot where only he could get to it. Pike also showed good timing, fit the ball into tight spots and knew when to change velocity to get the ball to his receivers. On a day when players can't really move the needle much Pike did put a cap on what has been a very successful week. He is clearly the best pro prospects of the six quarterbacks here in Mobile.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4855890

SORRY - what does this have to do with the basis of this thread in that we are bringing in Tebow with the thinking that he is going to be our QB?

Well the whole Tebow thread is irrelevant anyway. Pike may actually get drafted in the vicinity of our second round pick and we have been discussing his worth. Personally, I'm more of a Lefevour guy. And we could probly get him in the 4th, as he may be more of a project.

[chiefhog44]

Tebow may be the one player that will revolutionize the game. If a team is willing to risk a huge contract running AND passing the rock every play, it could be just what the Wildcat requires.

[SkinsJock]

I thought this thread was started by someone that felt that Tebow was a part of our future - we all understand (well most) that we need a QB because any team that wants to be consistently competitive needs a decent QB but we are a few years away from being there and there are other threads about that this thread is not about other QBs or whom we draft - there are a myriad of threads on these players

to me it seemed that this thread is about the possibility of having Tebow specifically - this is a very specilal QB to the college world - I'm not sure how or what he will be like in the NFL but that is what this thread is about

maybe we all want to discuss other things - that's cool too

I just do not see us fitting him in here as we will be looking at other issues for the next few years and having to try and make Tebow into a contributing NFL player is just not a priority to this fan