Why You Can Blame Campbell

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:53 pm

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... ell-fumble

This play results in a sack fumble, jason does not find anyone open and decides to tuck and run but he's so awkward and slow he's annihilated; this happened alot this year and has happened throughout Campbells tenure.

Time for change.

Jason has ZERO elusiveness, ZERO, the guy can't even slide, what kind of pro athlete lacks the coordination to slide. Haynesworth could slide.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:23 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81320312/Jason-Campbell-fumble

This play results in a sack fumble, jason does not find anyone open and decides to tuck and run but he's so awkward and slow he's annihilated; this happened alot this year and has happened throughout Campbells tenure.

Time for change.

Jason has ZERO elusiveness, ZERO, the guy can't even slide, what kind of pro athlete lacks the coordination to slide. Haynesworth could slide.

Jason is neither awkward nor slow and repeatedly finds holes to run through for positive yardage when he tucks and runs. It's one of the best things about him. He makes excellent decisions in re. to running and frequently save drives by making first downs. Your post throws your credibility into question. Jason has a lot of faults, but failure to tuck and run effectively is not one of them.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:27 pm

Yup, two DEs converging on him and Rinehart didn't hold his block. Granted, Rinehart was on the wrong side (or JC ran on the wrong side of Rinehart), but that play was not JC's fault.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:27 pm

just this post throws credibility into question?????

SnyderSucks · Post by **SnyderSucks** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:30 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81320312/Jason-Campbell-fumble

This play results in a sack fumble, jason does not find anyone open and decides to tuck and run but he's so awkward and slow he's annihilated; this happened alot this year and has happened throughout Campbells tenure.

Time for change.

Jason has ZERO elusiveness, ZERO, the guy can't even slide, what kind of pro athlete lacks the coordination to slide. Haynesworth could slide.

You've nailed it on the head with this one. Campbell's biggest problem by far. No one can win with a QB who doesn't run like Mike Vick. Who wants a guy like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Mark Rypien, or Dan Marino who can't run?

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:45 pm

SnyderSucks wrote:Who wants a guy like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Mark Rypien, or Dan Marino who can't run?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:45 pm

Ok - honestly. Let's really analyze this play.

5 step drop from the gun
almost the second he plants his back foot, Heyer was knocked back on his heels, Rabach and Reinhart were double teaming the would be sacker. Rabach is falling down while Reinhard is beaten.

JC is looking downfield and see's an opening. there's no way to tell if a WR is open at all but Betts does appear to be a good outlet. Unfortunatly, at this point, we're only 2 sec's into the play. (feel free to pause the screen at 2 sec's to verify).

Now - at the next frame, JC's elected to run but Reinhard has been beaten and there's no where to go. At the 3 sec. mark you can see that JC's tucking the ball away and then the defender just gets in there an knocks it loose.

No way to blame JC for the sack but I will say he's got to work on not fumbling the ball when he does get sacked.

And he can't slide to save his life but that's the least of our worries on this team.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:02 pm

I was at that game.. I booed.. not because of JC, just because :wink:

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:29 pm

Oh god. Give it a rest already.

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:31 pm

My biggest problem with Campbell.......52 starts now in the NFL......1 come from behind drive in the 4th quarter (Saints 2008). I was a big supporter of his, but its time for a new QB.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:42 pm

He's going to be our QB next year. MS's really talked positive about him.

ChrisHanburger · Post by **ChrisHanburger** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:03 pm

That video is an example of why we SHOULDN'T put the problem on Jason's shoulders.
I think he's going to be here next year and starting too. And I also don't think it will be the end of the world. I'm looking for all the other parts of this offense to step up (running, blocking, catching). If they do, I think we have a decent team next year with a brighter future. Then we can look for an upgrade at QB, or maybe the Campbell "diamond" will become unroughed and we upgrade elsewhere.

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:06 pm

When Jason sees an opening and there is NO ONE in front of him and his lineman hold their blocks then yes he's adequate at tucking and running, the problem is when he has to escape pressure, he can't.

ChrisHanburger · Post by **ChrisHanburger** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:18 pm

Yes, I think no one would dispute he has flaws, but I've always thought that Jason was good enough to win in this league. Not to carry a team on his back, but be a good component of a good team (ala Rypien). I think the reality of the situation is that he will be here next year. I just hope the new regime will put together a total package that will prove either you wrong (ie. he shines when he has a decent supporting cast) or I'm wrong (ie. he screws the pooch). Either way, I think long term success of this team will be created by building a strong foundation (solid line, good coaching, good locker room, good team work ethic etc.) incrementally, rather than chasing the latest shiny object (which, for you, appears to be Tebow).

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:23 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:When Jason sees an opening and there is NO ONE in front of him and his lineman hold their blocks then yes he's adequate at tucking and running, the problem is when he has to escape pressure, he can't.

Reasons to tuck and run:
1: Pressure
2: Some other reason, perhaps because Jason feels that this would be a nice day for a stroll... or, perhaps, because he saw the beer guy over there, and a cold beer sure would be nice right now.

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:55 pm

hey gibbs 4 life .... gains adams (rip) blew heyer up into soups face...get over it hes gonna be the starter next year too

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:48 pm

Anybody who watched the 2009 Redskins and thinks their biggest problem was Jason Campbell has about the same football IQ as my wife.

I don't really care if Shanahan keeps JC or brings in a free agent. He's got to fix the o-line for anybody to be successful. Otherwise we'll have to endure another year of these armchair analysts telling us all how [Insert QB's Name Here] is completely to blame for the team sucking.

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:30 pm

riggofan wrote:Anybody who watched the 2009 Redskins and thinks their biggest problem was Jason Campbell has about the same football IQ as my wife.

I don't really care if Shanahan keeps JC or brings in a free agent. He's got to fix the o-line for anybody to be successful. Otherwise we'll have to endure another year of these armchair analysts telling us all how [Insert QB's Name Here] is completely to blame for the team sucking.

well said riggofan.........campbell played well last year

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:50 pm

I think we have been over this subject a thousand times. While I do not totally blame Jason he does deserve his share of criticism.I mean bad coaching, bad offensive line, poor effort and low morale. All those factors combined and you have terrible play. It is hard to put a finger on just one player and one area.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:36 am

I think everyone is in agreement on that HH

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:57 am

riggofan wrote:Anybody who watched the 2009 Redskins and thinks their biggest problem was Jason Campbell has about the same football IQ as my wife.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:12 pm

riggofan wrote:Anybody who watched the 2009 Redskins and thinks their biggest problem was Jason Campbell has about the same football IQ as my wife.

My Wife doesn't know much about about football. But she's watched enough to say the same thing every game, "Why arn't they blocking for him. He doesn't have time to do anything."

Krisk86 · Post by **Krisk86** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:45 pm

I don't understand why Jason Campbell has any support at all. Granted the O-Line needs MAJOR upgrading, Campbell is not the QB to make this team a contender. Big Ben was drafted a year before Campbell and during his pro career he has been pressured and sacked more than any other QB, yet he leads game winning drives, come from behind drives, and has two Super Bowls Championships. Even when Campbell has time and a man open he over throws them. How many times this season did Santana Moss get open for a walk in score only for Campbell to overthrow him. The best thing this team can do in the offseason is let Campbell go somewhere else and be a back up to a real QB. We have the 4th overall pick in the draft, and it needs to be used on the most accurate QB in NCAA history Sam Bradford. Forget the mobile QB crap like Michael Vick and McNabb, we need a pocket passer that can put the ball where only the receiver can catch it. Yeah I know we would be placing a rookie under center, but Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco took their teams to the playoffs their rookie seasons, and Mark Sanchez was a game from the Super Bowl. All these off season changes in Washington are for the best, but nothing is gonna change till Campbell is gone.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:00 pm

Krisk86 wrote:I don't understand why Jason Campbell has any support at all. Granted the O-Line needs MAJOR upgrading, Campbell is not the QB to make this team a contender. Big Ben was drafted a year before Campbell and during his pro career he has been pressured and sacked more than any other QB, yet he leads game winning drives, come from behind drives, and has two Super Bowls Championships. Even when Campbell has time and a man open he over throws them. How many times this season did Santana Moss get open for a walk in score only for Campbell to overthrow him. The best thing this team can do in the offseason is let Campbell go somewhere else and be a back up to a real QB. We have the 4th overall pick in the draft, and it needs to be used on the most accurate QB in NCAA history Sam Bradford. Forget the mobile QB crap like Michael Vick and McNabb, we need a pocket passer that can put the ball where only the receiver can catch it. Yeah I know we would be placing a rookie under center, but Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco took their teams to the playoffs their rookie seasons, and Mark Sanchez was a game from the Super Bowl. All these off season changes in Washington are for the best, but nothing is gonna change till Campbell is gone.

Good post but your analysis is very vague. Did JC overthrow his receivers - yes. Was his line bad? Most would say the worst in the NFL. Sacks don't tell the whole story. Ben and Rogers are criticized for not throwing the ball away. They hold on the ball too long which in effect leads to sacks. But it's a give and take. They hold onto the ball and their receivers get open. Not to mention that Ben is considered the hardest QB to sack because of his size.

The problem is that so many Redskins fans - and most for that matter - are always looking at other teams and saying, why can't we do that? Well, there's a reason why QB's are successful. It usually starts with have adequate protection and reliable WR's. Then there is accuracy - which JC should work on.

But I do believe that the best career move for JC is to go somewhere else and be a QB but there's no doubt in my mind that he's a starter in the league. Hell, he was ranked right in the middle of the pack in QB's even though the team flat out stunk - regardless of when those stats were made.

LORD GIBBS · Post by **LORD GIBBS** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:32 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81320312/Jason-Campbell-fumble

This play results in a sack fumble, jason does not find anyone open and decides to tuck and run but he's so awkward and slow he's annihilated; this happened alot this year and has happened throughout Campbells tenure.

Time for change.

Jason has ZERO elusiveness, ZERO, the guy can't even slide, what kind of pro athlete lacks the coordination to slide. Haynesworth could slide.

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