One play vs. Giants sealed Zorns fate in my mind

wormer · Post by **wormer** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:26 am

I have been on the fence regarding letting Zorn go at the end of the season. However, his reaction after the "fight" between Haynesworth and Jacobs was inexcusable.

He should have thrown the challenge flag. (I don't care if it is not able to be challenged) Let the ref come over and explain that. Then, if he refuses to review it he should have laid into him like there is no tomorrow. Then for good measure he sholud have slammed his headset to the turf. I'm sure he gets ANOTHER 15 yrd penalty but at that point the game is over so who cares.

His lack of fire and frustration speaks volumes to me.

If I'm the owner this play, or more specifically his reaction to it, would put his after season firing in stone for me.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:31 am

he sure stays medium doesn't he. IMO that was on Blache, Blache has the reigns on the D, he has complete control, why on earth didn't he go and fight for his guy, his guys fight for him...

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:34 am

SKINFAN wrote:why on earth didn't he go and fight for his guy, his guys fight for him...

...because no one on the Giants'D said anything disparaging about Daniel Snyder. :lol:

so.il.SKINSFAN · Post by **so.il.SKINSFAN** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:45 am

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:why on earth didn't he go and fight for his guy, his guys fight for him...

...because no one on the Giants'D said anything disparaging about Daniel Snyder.

LMAO!!

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:47 am

What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:30 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

Seriously, that's bush league.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:42 am

He did it after the TO b/c Hunter's TD pass was done after the TO as well. He went to the well 2 too many times on that one.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:49 am

I have stopped having any sympathy, pity or even any leftover respect for Zorn yesterday.

Get him out of his misery and suffering. His coaching was almost as PATHETIC as his press conference.

Nothing wrong with naming Jerry Gray the interim coach. It would look good. Hey, now that Holmgren is in Cleveland, he might land a water boy job there. Doubt it though.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:50 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:I have stopped having any sympathy, pity or even any leftover respect for Zorn yesterday.

Get him out of his misery and suffering. His coaching was almost as PATHETIC as his press conference.

Nothing wrong with naming Jerry Gray the interim coach. It would look good. Hey, now that Holmgren is in Cleveland, he might land a water boy job there. Doubt it though.

Agreed...than you let him interveiw for HC RR done!

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:52 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

I think it is his way of sticking it to The Danny without being fired with cause thus losing his payday for next year. If it was a passive agressive attempt at defiance then he really is a dope.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:53 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

One of the worst sequences I have EVER watched.

Wow.

That was embarrassing. :oops:

I thought Steve Young's reaction post-game on ESPN was priceless... especially after he heard Zorn's 'explanation' at the presser...

... which might actually have been more embarrassing than the play itself. :shock:

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:53 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:I have stopped having any sympathy, pity or even any leftover respect for Zorn yesterday.

Get him out of his misery and suffering. His coaching was almost as PATHETIC as his press conference.

Nothing wrong with naming Jerry Gray the interim coach. It would look good. Hey, now that Holmgren is in Cleveland, he might land a water boy job there. Doubt it though.

He certainly seems to be playing for sympathy to the camera -

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:00 am

BossHog wrote:I thought Steve Young's reaction post-game on ESPN was priceless... especially after he heard Zorn's 'explanation' at the presser...

I turned the channel after the game ended. I didn't need to hear the announcers gush about how well the Giants played, any more (actually, I was done after the first drive). What was Steve Young's reaction, and what did Zorn say about it at the presser?

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:01 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

after that play they all need to be kicked out the door.
what a disgrace clueless as heck.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:16 am

Deadskins wrote:
BossHog wrote:I thought Steve Young's reaction post-game on ESPN was priceless... especially after he heard Zorn's 'explanation' at the presser...

I turned the channel after the game ended. I didn't need to hear the announcers gush about how well the Giants played, any more (actually, I was done after the first drive). What was Steve Young's reaction, and what did Zorn say about it at the presser?

Surprisingly, Steve just wanted to move on, LoL, it was that bad.

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:40 pm

wormer wrote:I have been on the fence regarding letting Zorn go at the end of the season. However, his reaction after the "fight" between Haynesworth and Jacobs was inexcusable.

He should have thrown the challenge flag. (I don't care if it is not able to be challenged) Let the ref come over and explain that. Then, if he refuses to review it he should have laid into him like there is no tomorrow. Then for good measure he sholud have slammed his headset to the turf. I'm sure he gets ANOTHER 15 yrd penalty but at that point the game is over so who cares.

His lack of fire and frustration speaks volumes to me.

If I'm the owner this play, or more specifically his reaction to it, would put his after season firing in stone for me.

you CLEARLY need a lesson in "Staying Medium".

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:52 pm

BossHog wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

One of the worst sequences I have EVER watched.

Wow.

That was embarrassing.

Seriously.

Worst play ever.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:03 pm

Deadskins wrote:
BossHog wrote:I thought Steve Young's reaction post-game on ESPN was priceless... especially after he heard Zorn's 'explanation' at the presser...

I turned the channel after the game ended. I didn't need to hear the announcers gush about how well the Giants played, any more (actually, I was done after the first drive). What was Steve Young's reaction, and what did Zorn say about it at the presser?

As Skinsfan said, his comment was basically, "DON'T make me talk about what I just saw - let's please move on."

You could see that he was flabbergasted by Zorn's 'explanation'. Young did then go on to mock some of Zorn's words and attempts to rationalize arguably the most ridiculous gadget play in NFL history... but you could see that he didn't really want to even talk about it because he knew that nothing 'professional' would come out of his mouth.

I am not a big Steve Young fan, but some of his comments were priceless...

"I bet Zorn will run the trick play next week again too... because he knows that delay to the center will be there like in practice."

I'm paraphrasing, but you get the sentiment.

I'll try find a clip but at one point, Young said something like, "It's a trick play - a trick play.... where's the trick after the Giants called timeout and put in an appropriate defense... that's a trick?"

His disgust was real though. I had to laugh because despite it really hurting to see your team made a mockery of on national TV - last night, we deserved any drubbing that we got.

And after Zorn's presser... we may even have deserved worse.

What a debacle.

I'll always contend that Zorn's lack of coaching ability isn't really his fault - we hired a guy who had never called an NFL game... but his press conferences are starting to look like Steve Spurrier's used to - completely clueless as to what he's talking about.

Comical at best, approaching complete ineptitude...

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:36 pm

BossHog wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
BossHog wrote:I thought Steve Young's reaction post-game on ESPN was priceless... especially after he heard Zorn's 'explanation' at the presser...

I turned the channel after the game ended. I didn't need to hear the announcers gush about how well the Giants played, any more (actually, I was done after the first drive). What was Steve Young's reaction, and what did Zorn say about it at the presser?

As Skinsfan said, his comment was basically, "DON'T make me talk about what I just saw - let's please move on."

You could see that he was flabbergasted by Zorn's 'explanation'. Young did then go on to mock some of Zorn's words and attempts to rationalize arguably the most ridiculous gadget play in NFL history... but you could see that he didn't really want to even talk about it because he knew that nothing 'professional' would come out of his mouth.

I am not a big Steve Young fan, but some of his comments were priceless...

"I bet Zorn will run the trick play next week again too... because he knows that delay to the center will be there like in practice."

I'm paraphrasing, but you get the sentiment.

I'll try find a clip but at one point, Young said something like, "It's a trick play - a trick play.... where's the trick after the Giants called timeout and put in an appropriate defense... that's a trick?"

His disgust was real though. I had to laugh because despite it really hurting to see your team made a mockery of on national TV - last night, we deserved any drubbing that we got.

And after Zorn's presser... we may even have deserved worse.

What a debacle.

I'll always contend that Zorn's lack of coaching ability isn't really his fault - we hired a guy who had never called an NFL game... but his press conferences are starting to look like Steve Spurrier's used to - completely clueless as to what he's talking about.

Comical at best, approaching complete ineptitude...

That wacky play at the end of half was Zorn's way of getting back to Snyder.

I cant' wait to see with what he comes up next week.

Can you imagine the movie-script possibilities this Zorn vs. Snyder thing has?

Brilliant, Z-Man!

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:47 pm

BossHog wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

One of the worst sequences I have EVER watched.

Wow.

That was embarrassing.

I thought Steve Young's reaction post-game on ESPN was priceless... especially after he heard Zorn's 'explanation' at the presser...

... which might actually have been more embarrassing than the play itself.

Yes, the whole game was sad. I had before this game watched every play this season, including the KC game where I'd seen the final score before I watched it on TiVo even though I knew we were going to lose to a pathetic team. But yesterday was just so sad and after that pathetic display where Zorn thought embarrassing himself and his team on National TV was sticking a finger in Danny's eye, I fast forwarded through lots of the second half. This year with Danny hiring Lewis and Zorn being willing to take every indignity from Danny and then go to spite playcalling is just the low point ever of being a Skins fan.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:50 pm

El Mexican wrote:That wacky play at the end of half was Zorn's way of getting back to Snyder

Embarrassing himself and his team was an odd way of "getting back to Snyder." What's he going to do next week, wear a dress on the sidelines and drool? That'll embarrass Snyder. To be clear, I'm mocking Zorn not you, I agree in his warped and apparently bitter mind you're right, he somehow rationalized that it was "Snyder" he was embarrassing.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:11 pm

well up to this point he had me going, I thought he was a poor soul that was picked on by the "rich kid" ....

JCaptMorgan12 · Post by **JCaptMorgan12** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:27 pm

I thought there were a few calls made that were bade decisions...

1) We won the coin-toss, I say take the ball to start the game... your offense had been playing well the last few weeks, you're at home on national TV... take the ball to start the game and try and set the pace... instead, they defer, and the Giants took control of that game with the opening drive...

2) on the Giants first drive, on that 3rd and short, from the live play and all replays, looked like the Giants RB was stopped well short of the first down, yet he was given a favorable spot, and then there was NO measurement, how is that allowed, another terrible call by the refs...

3) the debacle of a play right before halftime....

4) the fight, i couldn't believe Zorn just accepted the fact that the ref didn't want to give him an explanation... I was more ticked off at the fact that they managed to give AH a penalty there, and not Jacobs, who started the entire thing, and threw more punches (actually, he slapped at players) than AH did, absolutely absurd; that ticked me off more than the score did...

** please note, I am NOT blaming the refs for this loss, just seemed they were there to help the Giants along, and assure things went smoothly for them **

Bipolar The Titan · Post by **Bipolar The Titan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:36 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:What cemented his level of incompetence to me was that absurd play at the end of the first half. What in the world was that? How do you still run that after the Giants take a timeout and set up to defense it. Pathetic.

I kind of liked it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3BorxSY ... r_embedded

if you freeze frame at 1:06... if he only had the arm... there was a skins td right there...

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:31 pm

Mike Wise characterized this trick play as a symbolic act of defiance on the part of Zorn. I'm not buying it ... cuz if it is true, he'd be a truly twisted man, deserving of tar and feathers.

No, I think it's symbolic of a guy that has no business being an NFL coach .. and nothing more sinister or complicated than that.

I was wondering when the other shoe would fall with a bunch of men being lead by an emasculated, eunuch that Zorn has become. His press conference prior to the game commenting on the hiring of Allen and what that might mean for him was a new low. Zorn spoke of the team playing well and demonstrating his "competency", as if there might be some possibility of him being retained by the new GM. What a sad, sad, sad thing to witness ... public castration followed by prostration, followed by totally pathetic delusions.

Is there a red blooded man residing in Jim Zorn's body? If so, he's hiding it pretty good.

Come on Snyder, you've wasted more money on more foolish moves ... give this ball-less man permission to leave, along with his pay for next year. It should be PAINFULLY obvious by now to anyone watching that there is no level of personal humiliation Jim Zorn won't endure for that paycheck. Give it to him already, and don't make Redskin Nation, and the rest of the world watch this pathetic spectacle any longer.

Continuing this for two more weeks constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, with untold levels of collateral damage.

Enough is enough.

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