VINNY RESIGNS!!!!!!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:07 am

I am happy to wait and see and sincerely hope that Allen and possibly others (NOT Snyder) will go on to select the new HC and the players here
I hope that is the case - it just looks a lot like Snyder has been making a lot of decisions recently, maybe I'm just basing this on the past 10 years and he finally has seen the light

I'm happy to wait and see what happens in the next few weeks and months - everything will be fine, he can't still be that stupid :twisted:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:17 am

chiefhog44 wrote:Guys...As Pulp said above..."Good Lord"

Let me explain this to you. First off, EVERY owner puts his two cents in about who plays in the games. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

please

I wonder how many here would support that

you are wonderfully optimistic - I would feel the same but I am basing my cautious optimism on Snyder's past record NOT Allen's - hopefully as some have indicated, in the next few weeks or so, Snyder is turning the team over to Allen and the rest of the FO - I'll believe we have a chance when that happens - right now, I'm just cautiously optimistic

I may be wrong about this but I think Snyder's been working at these changes for some time and I think Snyder is selecting the HC with some help from Allen and not the other way around, as it should be - that's just me :twisted:

fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me :lol:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:23 am

Countertrey wrote:Bruce Allen, as chiefhog observed, is nobody's puppet. His dad left a legacy of self-reliance, and purpose, in his mind. I'm certain that is one of the reason that Snyder selected him... this is a man who has broad respect through the league as an honorable man with tremendous integrity, who can do much to help Snyder dispell talk that he is playing fantasy football with a real team.

Now, if Allen has HALF the ability that his dad did to motivate and move an organization, a team to a single minded purpose... the Redskins will soon be a highly respected opponent.

George Allen's teams were the model of team overachievement. They were rarely the most talented team on the field... but they were always the best TEAM on the field... even when they lost.

this is all great as long as Snyder is letting Bruce & the new FO manage the team - I still am nervous that Snyder is managing the team and selecting the new HC with some help from Allen - that is not how the better managed teams in the NFL operate

I'm hoping that Snyder will let Bruce Allen and the new FO manage the team - I'm just not sure he can let go ..... yet

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:30 am

SkinsJock wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Bruce Allen, as chiefhog observed, is nobody's puppet. His dad left a legacy of self-reliance, and purpose, in his mind. I'm certain that is one of the reason that Snyder selected him... this is a man who has broad respect through the league as an honorable man with tremendous integrity, who can do much to help Snyder dispell talk that he is playing fantasy football with a real team.

Now, if Allen has HALF the ability that his dad did to motivate and move an organization, a team to a single minded purpose... the Redskins will soon be a highly respected opponent.

George Allen's teams were the model of team overachievement. They were rarely the most talented team on the field... but they were always the best TEAM on the field... even when they lost.

this is all great as long as Snyder is letting Bruce & the new FO manage the team - I still am nervous that Snyder is managing the team and selecting the new HC with some help from Allen - that is not how the better managed teams in the NFL operate

I'm hoping that Snyder will let Bruce Allen and the new FO manage the team - I'm just not sure he can let go ..... yet

I think that, if that is the case, Bruce Allen will be gone. Snyder knows that... or should. If you want some reassurance on how strong willed Bruce Allen may be, review the history of George Allen... who was a man that nobody pushed around...

Relax. There's nothing you can do to effect this... just relax, and let's see what happens. This is what we have all asked for for a while... can't you just enjoy it?????

BTW, I have to give props to Jason LaCanfora on this... he called it on January 22... almost a year ago!!! (the byline at the top says Jason Reid, but that's wrong... it was La Canfora) Wow!

Skins98 · Post by **Skins98** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:32 am

Hopefully Snyder at the very least lets BA handle the contract side of things.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:38 am

SkinsJock wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:Guys...As Pulp said above..."Good Lord"

Let me explain this to you. First off, EVERY owner puts his two cents in about who plays in the games. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

please I wonder how many here would support that

Who cares how many people that use this board support it? I mean, I know everyone on here is an EXPERT, but it's a fact. Every single owner suggests playing certain players, and the good GM's are able to keep them from meddling. Bruce Allen is one of the best at keeping his owner at bay, and he has enough clout around the league to keep it that way. End of story. Good Lord, give it more than a couple months.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:45 am

Countertrey wrote:
Relax. There's nothing you can do to effect this... just relax, and let's see what happens. This is what we have all asked for for a while... can't you just enjoy it?????

It's like I'm hitting my head against a brick wall. ](*,)

Or it's like I just opened the greatest festivus present ever, and someone is standing behind me pissing over my shoulder on it

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:56 am

I hate Fesivus... just reminds me of winter and stuff.

I hate stuff.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:58 am

east there chief, get a grip - no worries - this is a message board, anyone that thinks we aught to just "wait and see" and not come here and analyze and discuss, in my opinion is just playing with themselves, in between typing :lol:

I'm cautiously optimistic and really hope that we will change the way that we manage the franchise - so far Snyder is still in charge here with Bruce Allen here as the new GM - it's all good - BUT the only way this team has a chance of being consistently competitive is when Snyder lets the FO manage things AND he's not a part of that FO - that's all I'm pointing out here

I'm excited about the future but I know that nothing changes until Snyder lets go and he has not done that yet :roll:

gushogs · Post by **gushogs** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:42 pm

I konw I'm late to post my thoughts but,

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO. He resigned and had a replacement 2 hours afterward?
2010 here we go!

HaiL,

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:48 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I'm excited about the future but I know that nothing changes until Snyder lets go and he has not done that yet

You must have read Wilbon's latest column.

He has a "wait and see" attitude, which I share. I am cautiously optimistic about REAL change. I will only make a call once I have enough information and that will happen a few weeks after this season ends.

It wil be an INTERESTING Free Agency and Draft experience.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:41 pm

WAIT - if you are at all happy about the prospects for this franchise, DO NOT READ the Wilbon column

just be patient and let things happen - don't worry, Snyder's going to let the new guys take over here

cheers :lol:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:02 pm

SkinsJock wrote:WAIT - if you are at all happy about the prospects for this franchise, DO NOT READ the Wilbon column

just be patient and let things happen - don't worry, Snyder's going to let the new guys take over here

cheers

How credible is Mike W on this? How about this quote from the article?

Snyder doesn't do nobodies; he'd never hire a 39-yard-old assistant named Joe Gibbs. Never. Not famous enough.

Ummm... Mike? Jim Zorn?

He rails that Snyder doesn't "deserve the benefit of the doubt" on this... maybe, but, so what? You gonna fire the owner, Mike? I mean, that'd be great, and all, but ummm... you'd need to get the owner to agree.

Regarding his comments that we're just falling for the "Redskins connection" thing... hey, it's not as though this is George Allen Jr that was hired. This is a bonafide NFL General Manager, with genuine championship credentials, a load of professional experience, and street credibility. Go rain somewhere else, Mike

Personally, I can't see Allen taking the job unless the authority was IN THE CONTRACT. I mean, he knows the book on Dan Snyder... just as he understood what it was like to work for an even more intrusive and pathological owner. Unfortunately, I don't think they are going to publish that, so, as RiC notes, we'll just have to wait and see, now, won't we?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:14 pm

I'm looking forward to it - we shall soon see :lol:

about Zorn, he was not really brought here as the Head Coach and in my opinion would not have been given a shot at that position - THEN, 2 things happened:
1) nobody of any note was going to come here because of you know who
2) Snyder (maybe with encouragement from Cerrato) heard that Holmgren thought that Zorn was going to be a home run for this franchise, could not miss :lol:

So ..... Snyder made Zorn the HC primarily because he couldn't get anyone else

NOTE - I'll bet that Zorn was the only prospective HC that would sign a contract that included a clause agreeing to do anything Snyder wanted :lol:

Snyder needs to stop doing this "stuff" - I'll be waiting & hoping to see that he's no longer involved but I won't hold my breath :twisted:

btw - why do you think I suggested you not read this column, see :lol:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:22 pm

The bottom line, SJ, is that Snyder hired a coach with potential, but no HC resume... just as did JKC. Wilbon's premise is not accurate on that. While I don't agree with your premise, it just doesn't matter. He hired Zorn. Not a celebrity.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:29 pm

no worries - my take is that Zorn was the only HC he could get in here AND the only one that would sign a contract that included the clause that the HC had to do whatever Snyder wanted - we'll just have to have different thoughts on this

hopefully this franchise has begun the new regime that does not include Snyder - we shall see :lol:

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:26 pm

PUSHING GREGG WILLIAMS OUT AND LOBBYING FOR JIM ZORN IS WHY VINNY IS GONE.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:19 pm

SkinsJock wrote:no worries - my take is that Zorn was the only HC he could get in here AND the only one that would sign a contract that included the clause that the HC had to do whatever Snyder wanted - we'll just have to have different thoughts on this

You really think Zorn was the only person who would take the NFL head coaching job of the Redskins? That's absolutely ludicrous. I mean hell, wasn't there some dude named Jim Fassel, who desperately wanted the job?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:46 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:no worries - my take is that Zorn was the only HC he could get in here AND the only one that would sign a contract that included the clause that the HC had to do whatever Snyder wanted - we'll just have to have different thoughts on this

You really think Zorn was the only person who would take the NFL head coaching job of the Redskins? That's absolutely ludicrous. I mean hell, wasn't there some dude named Jim Fassel, who desperately wanted the job?

He doesn't count, because he actually wanted the job, and recommended Jim Zorn, so, obviously he didn't really want the job because he was sabotaging his own opportunity, and therefore, the doesn't count, because even though he wanted the job, he didn't want it.

Clear? :hmm:

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:51 pm

Right, again, what is the arguement here? I'm lost. Didn't we just sign a solid GM? And isn't Vinny gone!?!

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:23 am

chiefhog44 wrote:Right, again, what is the arguement here? I'm lost. Didn't we just sign a solid GM? And isn't Vinny gone!?!

Yeah. What you missed is that apparently, some people just cannot ever be positive, chief.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:41 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:Right, again, what is the arguement here? I'm lost. Didn't we just sign a solid GM? And isn't Vinny gone!?!

there is no argument about that - the only concern is that the low-life owner has not clearly indicated that Allen is going to make all the choices here - if Bruce Allen is interviewing coaches and at the same time is on air and saying we are going to wait until after the season is over with regards to Jim Zorn's future, then he's a low life and I don't think that he is .... SO ... who is interviewing coaches and why? - who is in charge here?

no argument, I'm just concerned because Snyder looks to me like he's still helping things along here :lol:

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:36 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:Right, again, what is the arguement here? I'm lost. Didn't we just sign a solid GM? And isn't Vinny gone!?!

there is no argument about that - the only concern is that the low-life owner has not clearly indicated that Allen is going to make all the choices here - if Bruce Allen is interviewing coaches and at the same time is on air and saying we are going to wait until after the season is over with regards to Jim Zorn's future, then he's a low life and I don't think that he is .... SO ... who is interviewing coaches and why? - who is in charge here?

no argument, I'm just concerned because Snyder looks to me like he's still helping things along here

I've seen absolutely no news about Allen interviewing anyone, so again, what are you talking about? And quite honestly, when and if that interviewing process begins, I don't want them telling everyone in the world about who they are interviewing.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:55 pm

this is really simple - we are a lot better off without Cerrato BUT we have to hope that Snyder is not involved with managing this team anymore or very little has changed

I'm going to just wait and see what happens in the near future :lol:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:00 pm

^^^ (And, in the meanwhile, rain on every beam of sunshine I can squash...) :wink: