So with Allen in place who is the next coach

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:04 pm

...um about as fast as Dan Snyder picked up Albert Haynesworth and Bruce Allen

TeeterSalad · Post by **TeeterSalad** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:11 pm

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... wish-list/

PFT is reporting that its probably Shanahan...

Per a league source with knowledge of the current dynamics of the organization, former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has been targeted by the Redskins as the next head coach.

And even though Allen currently is getting the press, the guy who'll be running the show is Shanahan.

The Redskins quietly have been pursuing Shanahan for months. Reports emerged earlier in the season that Shanahan twice rejected offers to become the team's new coach. The thinking was that Shanahan wanted to survey other possible vacancies before making a commitment.

And while he has made no commitment to the Redskins, we're told that the resignation of Cerrato and the hiring of Allen is the first tangible step in the process.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:25 pm

I'm in the minority for giving Zorny one more year......

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:28 pm

I would like to see Zorn here another year as well but like you, I'm in a minority.

TeeterSalad · Post by **TeeterSalad** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:37 pm

tribeofjudah wrote:I'm in the minority for giving Zorny one more year......

I wouldn't mind giving Zorn one more year except...what is he going to do??

He was already stripped of playcalling duties and the offense seems to have improved because of it. Sherm Lewis has been a successful playcaller as far as anyone can tell. Blache's defense is solid again this year, he should stay. Everything seems to be improving for the Skins lately and Zorn has a smaller role than ever. Do you think we should keep JZ at head coach just because he has the team motivated? I like him but I don't see how a GM coming into this mess could think Zorn is doing enough to keep him around.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:37 pm

I think whoever the next coach is ...it's already a done deal. I wouldn'y be surprised to see Shanny. The timing of this plays into it IMO. Dallas has lost two in Dec. already so it's looks like Phillips will be out and the bidding war for Shanny would start...We all know DS met with Shanny alraedy and he said no...or did he say if a GM is brought in he'd coached...So DS trumped JJ by getting a GM now..not waiting...I expect to hear the new coaches name befreo Zorn's done packing.

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:50 pm

I think its almost a slam dunk that Gruden will be in here next season. There has to be an out clause in his ESPN deal and he has coached and succeeded under Allen before. You know the guy is dying to coach again...you just have to listen how he praises every player on MNF to see that.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:51 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
riggofan wrote:The only thing I don't get about Gruden is that he just recently signed that extension with MNF. That just seems weird.

Just recently, Vinny was still GM of the Washington Redskins. Things can change rather quickly, sometimes.

No doubt. And I understand that Gruden probably has an out clause at ESPN and everything. I was just trying to figure why Gruden would sign the MNF extension a few weeks ago if he was seriously considering returning to coaching next season.

Guess he could have just been covering his bases of course.

Personally I'm still kind of hoping for Shanahan over Gruden.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:56 pm

It was just reported by ESPN 980 that the contract Gruden has with ESPN would be almost impossible to get out of thru 2010 - they also feel that Shanahan is the top candidate and that the very top level of the franchise is going to see more re-structuring in the near future

this is all very revealing and it does look like Snyder is going to respond in the manner that we hoped for but did not dare think he would

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:24 pm

Who ever the GM picks it is, I hope....

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:33 pm

TeeterSalad wrote:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/17/source-shanahan-next-on-the-redskins-wish-list/

PFT is reporting that its probably Shanahan...
Per a league source with knowledge of the current dynamics of the organization, former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has been targeted by the Redskins as the next head coach.

And even though Allen currently is getting the press, the guy who'll be running the show is Shanahan.

The Redskins quietly have been pursuing Shanahan for months. Reports emerged earlier in the season that Shanahan twice rejected offers to become the team's new coach. The thinking was that Shanahan wanted to survey other possible vacancies before making a commitment.

And while he has made no commitment to the Redskins, we're told that the resignation of Cerrato and the hiring of Allen is the first tangible step in the process.

Well if PFT is reporting Shannahan then we can cross him off the list. 99% of the time the exact opposite of what those clowns report ends up happening.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:37 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
TeeterSalad wrote:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/17/source-shanahan-next-on-the-redskins-wish-list/

PFT is reporting that its probably Shanahan...
Per a league source with knowledge of the current dynamics of the organization, former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has been targeted by the Redskins as the next head coach.

And even though Allen currently is getting the press, the guy who'll be running the show is Shanahan.

The Redskins quietly have been pursuing Shanahan for months. Reports emerged earlier in the season that Shanahan twice rejected offers to become the team's new coach. The thinking was that Shanahan wanted to survey other possible vacancies before making a commitment.

And while he has made no commitment to the Redskins, we're told that the resignation of Cerrato and the hiring of Allen is the first tangible step in the process.

Well if PFT is reporting Shannahan then we can cross him off the list. 99% of the time the exact opposite of what those clowns report ends up happening.

And JLC is reporting that Gruden's contract won't allow him to coach in 2010 so he's a step closer to getting the job

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:44 pm

The champagne is popping ... and all of Redskin Nation got an early XMAS present with the real GM everyone has been screaming for.

As for Zorn ... he's a very nice guy, but he's just not the right guy. His endearing personality aside .. his "keep it medium" is a poor philosophy for a football team, and he has failed to get this team prepared to play, offensively.

Given that he was first hired as the OC, and then HC, one would expect his offense and play calling would have been his strong suit, along with coaching up Campbell and transforming this high "potential" into tangible production. Neither has been accomplished as evidenced by the Sherm Lewis hire and subsequent improvements that have been appearing in recent weeks.

There is simply no reason to retain him as either a HC or OC under the circumstances. For what purpose would it serve? Zorn's flavor of the WCO, and his offensive strategy has been a huge failure ... keeping in mind that this is a chess game out there with offenses strategizing against defensive strategies. He's been on the losing end of that way too much, and wasn't able to adjust.

Personally, I think Zorn was put in way over his head, and just doesn't have the experience required ... with no established success as an OC, he shouldn't have been considered as a viable HC in the first place. And you can bet that if Sherm Lewis was able to improve this offense with play calling, a guy like Shannahan or Gruden would be a huge upgrade.

The new GM has close relations to both guys, so it's a pretty sure bet that one of them will be the HC next year.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:48 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
riggofan wrote:The only thing I don't get about Gruden is that he just recently signed that extension with MNF. That just seems weird.

Just recently, Vinny was still GM of the Washington Redskins. Things can change rather quickly, sometimes.

Soooo... ESPN would be completely within their rights, if, say, next Monday night, a certain color commentator were to suddenly voice his opinions that:
the Giants were a mass of scumbags, and ranting wildly that the PI call against Smoot was clear anti-Redskins favoritism (including about 30 seconds of dead air due to the extended use of the "cough" button) , and whooping loudly when Davis breaks off a big gain...
to fire said color commentator?

O:)

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:21 pm

being a MNF commentator is a cherry job, Gruden works little, for lots of money. Why would he trade that in for a headset and 80 hour work weeks?

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:15 pm

I wouldn't mind zorn for one more year with the current play call set up. I also wouldn't mind Fox.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:03 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:being a MNF commentator is a cherry job, Gruden works little, for lots of money. Why would he trade that in for a headset and 80 hour work weeks?

because he loves coaching football.......not talking about it.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:18 pm

gay4pacman wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:being a MNF commentator is a cherry job, Gruden works little, for lots of money. Why would he trade that in for a headset and 80 hour work weeks?

because he loves coaching football.......not talking about it.

If you've ever seen video of Gruden during a session in training camp... you KNOW this guy love to coach...

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:45 pm

Mississippi Hog wrote:I wouldn't mind zorn for one more year with the current play call set up. I also wouldn't mind Fox.

I honestly don"t care if it is Gruden, Shanny or Zorn. The fact that Vinny is gone and we have a real GM who will make the decision is good enough for me.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:08 pm

Cohwer is coming in as coach. Shannahan may be president and orchastrated the Allen hire behind the scenes

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:27 am

cleg wrote:
Mississippi Hog wrote:I wouldn't mind zorn for one more year with the current play call set up. I also wouldn't mind Fox.

I honestly don"t care if it is Gruden, Shanny or Zorn. The fact that Vinny is gone and we have a real GM who will make the decision is good enough for me.

I agree that the coach is not all that important right now because I'm sure that we'll have a good HC - our main concern is that Snyder allows the GM and whoever else is a part of the FO to make all the decisions - if Snyder selects the HC and is still running things, we will continue to have a lot of issues here

Cerrato was only half the problem and maybe not even that

so.il.SKINSFAN · Post by **so.il.SKINSFAN** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:39 am

cleg wrote:
Mississippi Hog wrote:I wouldn't mind zorn for one more year with the current play call set up. I also wouldn't mind Fox.

I honestly don"t care if it is Gruden, Shanny or Zorn. The fact that Vinny is gone and we have a real GM who will make the decision is good enough for me.

DITTO!!!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:20 am

I can't stop halfway, we need to complete this thing, strike while the iron is hot. Let's get Shanny in here too. Hopefully he'll be wise enough to hold onto the defense.

IF we bring in a new DC, I think they'll switch to a 3-4... Why? I have no idea. lol

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:21 am

SkinsJock wrote:
cleg wrote:
Mississippi Hog wrote:I wouldn't mind zorn for one more year with the current play call set up. I also wouldn't mind Fox.

I honestly don"t care if it is Gruden, Shanny or Zorn. The fact that Vinny is gone and we have a real GM who will make the decision is good enough for me.

I agree that the coach is not all that important right now because I'm sure that we'll have a good HC - our main concern is that Snyder allows the GM and whoever else is a part of the FO to make all the decisions - if Snyder selects the HC and is still running things, we will continue to have a lot of issues here

Cerrato was only half the problem and maybe not even that

That's right and I'd argue that Vinny did everything that was asked of him!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:19 am

DEHog wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
cleg wrote:
Mississippi Hog wrote:I wouldn't mind zorn for one more year with the current play call set up. I also wouldn't mind Fox.

I honestly don"t care if it is Gruden, Shanny or Zorn. The fact that Vinny is gone and we have a real GM who will make the decision is good enough for me.

I agree that the coach is not all that important right now because I'm sure that we'll have a good HC - our main concern is that Snyder allows the GM and whoever else is a part of the FO to make all the decisions - if Snyder selects the HC and is still running things, we will continue to have a lot of issues here
Cerrato was only half the problem and maybe not even that

That's right and I'd argue that Vinny did everything that was asked of him!

no argument here - my concern is that I keep hearing Snyder's name and I hope that whomever Snyder hires, is a coach (or player) that Allen wants and that Allen is the GM and has control over who coaches and plays

Cerrato was not as big a reason for this team being bad right now as Snyder - he basically was a yes-man and he might have been right on some things lately - IF Snyder is still managing this franchise and IF Snyder (or Cerrato) has picked the HC then we really have not done anything much except get Cerrato out of his position BUT not altogether away from influencing the guy that makes all the decisions here