Skins could be pretty good.....pretty soon...???

[SkinsJock]

We all want the best for the Redskins - as far as I am concerned, I'll be a 'fan' but I'm sure hoping that even if Snyder is involved with running things he will at least back off some to let the guys that know what they're doing get the job done here - if it ends up with just Snyder OR Snyder and Cerrato, I'll be very disapointed but I'll try to be patient

I am just very discouraged right now because I think that we are not going to see the changes here that we need to begin the come-back process - Snyder is a joke

[RayNAustin]

Let's all understand and agree - the players that finally get on an NFL team are really very talented NFL players - these are the cream of the crop and some improve dramatically from their college days and some do not - The problem is not that the players are any good or not OR that the players we have might be better than some other players we could have selected - the main problem is selecting players that both fit the plan for the team and that make the other players already on the team better

Cerrato has had his chance at making this team be consistently competitive and in my opinion he has not done a bad job - he has failed miserably

please do not make any excuses - we need a new GM - anyone that does not think that is the case is delusional

The only thing delusional is thinking that Cerrato is actually in charge of the major decisions that have negatively affected the franchise. Cerrato is Snyder's surrogate, and not a true GM .... at least up until the beginning of 2008.

Now if getting rid of Cerrato means Snyder handing over the reins to a completely autonomous GM that has exclusive control ... then yes, getting rid of Cerrato would be beneficial. But those two things are separate issues, and if Snyder continues to exercise his ownership authority over personnel decisions with a new surrogate GM, then little will likely be achieved.

Once again, from 2004 - 2007, these decisions were primarily Joe Gibbs, and I'll declare straight out that there IS NO WAY Gibbs choices were overridden by Snyder, nor would Snyder EVER defer to Cerrato over Gibbs. Gibbs was the defacto GM durring that time .... He selected Mark Brunell, he selected Greg Williams and the rest of the staff, and he selected all of the rest of the players ... many of which turned out to be either under achievers or total disasters ... TJ Ducket, David Patten, Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuletta, Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell. Over that 4 years, what did Gibbs do relative to the offensive line? How many key defensive players were traded or left under Gibbs ... Bailey ... Smoot ... Pierce ... Clark ... Harris. Who allowed the defensive staff to sit a pro bowl LB (Arrington) and replace him with a subservient body (Holdeman) who did what he was told but was probably the worst starting LB in the NFL for 2 years?

Memories are short around here. Cerrato, the whipping boy wasn't responsible for all of those decisions, and I'll say again that the 2008 and 2009 draft picks are proving to be more successful than what Gibbs produced in his entire 4 years controlling things.

And I'll just add that measured against good football teams over the past several games, the Redskins were very competitive, losing three games to good teams by a total of 7 points combined.

The fact that this offense was horribly prepared to start the season, unable to put up even a modicum of NFL level output against a horrendously weak schedule of opponents was a residual of Joe Gibbs personnel decisions (Jason Campbell), and Dan Snyder's choice in Head Coach who was brought in to coach him up and revamp the offense.

Was Zorn put in a no-win situation? Was Jason Campbell a victim of ever changing systems ALL HIS LIFE or was Jason Campbell's lack of production part of the reason why Auburn changed offensive coordinators 4 times in his 4 years of college?

Ray...nice ost and I agree except...

I'll declare straight out that there IS NO WAY Gibbs choices were overridden by Snyder, nor would Snyder EVER defer to Cerrato over Gibbs

If you mean draft choices than I agree...I will never believe that Saunders was a Gibbs choice...if fact IMO it's what led to his resignation.

I think we're on the same page here ... I don't have shred of evidence regarding the hiring of Saunders one way or the other. Gibbs was too ultra professional to let on about any potential conflict.

At the same time, I don't see it as likely that the Snyder/Cerrato team forced Saunders on Gibbs ala Sherm Lewis deal this year. It was either a suggestion that Gibbs agreed to without protest, while privately unhappy with, or it was a consensus decision in hopes of improving offensive production.

I don't see Saunders as the reason for Gibbs retirement though. I've always been under the impression that Snyder idolized Joe Gibbs and wouldn't have brought in Saunders if he had a remote clue that it would upset him.

[VetSkinsFan]

We all want the best for the Redskins - as far as I am concerned, I'll be a 'fan' but I'm sure hoping that even if Snyder is involved with running things he will at least back off some to let the guys that know what they're doing get the job done here - if it ends up with just Snyder OR Snyder and Cerrato, I'll be very disapointed but I'll try to be patient

I am just very discouraged right now because I think that we are not going to see the changes here that we need to begin the come-back process - Snyder is a joke

Cerrato is gone. This is what the majority of the detractors wanted, and now it's happened. Have hope and positive thoughts until proven otherwise.

[SkinsJock]

I'm in sales and am a very positive person - until today there has not been much to feel very positive about the way this franchise has been managed

I'm looking forward to the coming months here