Skins could be pretty good.....pretty soon...???

[tribeofjudah]

According to many, this team does not need to be "blown up" in order for us to be good to great AGAIN. I would like to agree. We don't need C4 explosives. Just need some KEY players and a real GM.... let's pray for that.

Many times this year, the REF calls went against us. At the Raiders, many many calls went in our FAVOR.

But because the kinds of events that were working against the Redskins all season worked for them in those two minutes of play, the Redskins did have the lead and they built on it. In the second half, two more replay challenges went in their favor. Santana Moss fell down without being touched while running a pass pattern and the Raiders were penalized for pass interference. Randle El muffed a punt and Oakland recovered, but it didn’t matter because it was 31-13 at the time.

Now, all of this does not mean that the Redskins are on the verge of becoming an NFL powerhouse. They need to take the steps necessary to rise out of that muddled middle pack of the NFL, where the outcomes of games are determined by a replay challenge and the bounce of the ball.

But it does mean that the Redskins perhaps are not that far away from getting there. Rebuilding in the NFL is no longer a half-decade proposition. The challenge the Redskins face is how to make enough changes without blowing the whole thing up. If Dan Snyder can find the right people to make those changes, this team could be pretty good, pretty soon.

[SkinsJock]

We may not need to be "blown up" but this group will not become a consistently competitive team in the NFC East in just a year - it takes a little longer than that just to get the kind of cohesion you need for a good offensive line and we have to begin with that - we do have some other issues that we have to address but I don't think that we need to "blow it up"

we just need a GM with a plan - all the rest of the stuff we are hypothesizing about here is just for kicks

nothing really matters if we don't get a GM except we can have some fun with all the fans that think we're going to be competitive next year

[gibbsfan]

it really boils down to wait and see really.
with the danny owning this once proud frachise anythings possible.

[skinsfan#33]

No way Vinny is gone after this season.

Last month I would have said that the odds were he will be gone, but now with Thomas and Davis playing well and some of his in season moves paying off, then I can see some people (read the Danny) thinking he is actually doing a decent job.

If Vinny stays, I say keep the whole kit and kaboodle. Zorn, JC, Blanche, and even Lewis (both of them).

Purge some of the high salary players (if no cap), like CP and ARE, maybe even Griff.

I would love to see JC go, but I really don't see an upgrade out there. Plenty of QBs that we would able to replace him with and not take a performance drop off, but very few would be an upgrade and that would be small at best. But I think he has his bags mentally packed already.

[RayNAustin]

I have been, and still convinced that this is one of the more talented Skins teams (personnel wise) that have been assembled in several years. That may be surprising given one of the poorest records in several years, but I stand by the statement for several reasons.

The evidence appeared last year in the 1st 6-7 games, going on the road to be Dallas and Philly ... the opening day loss was the only blight in the first half last season, due largely to Jason Campbell not finding a rhythm in that game, as well as a couple of costly miscues from his supporting players. We could have and should have beat the Giants ... out played them throughout the game. The team was upgraded in the offseason.

Now this season has been an enigma. Clearly one of the easiest schedules I can ever recall. Had the team performed in the first 6 - 7 games as they have the past 4-5 games, the record could easily be 8-5 or better right now, and in the thick of it to win the division ... even with the massive amounts of injuries to the O-line, TE, RB (2), not to mention the shuffling and craziness on the coaching staff.

Beating a decent Broncos team, playing a very good Philly team down to the wire, almost shutting out the Cowboys at home and losing a close one to a very very good Saints team tells me that the team is far closer to a 9-4 team than they are a 4-9 team, talent wise.

This tells me that there is a serious coaching issue. After 2 years working with Campbell, Zorn has failed to get consistency and production from him. Is it Zorn or Campbell? It's both. The offense has performed much better with Lewis calling the plays, so that's a big red flag on Zorn ... and I think Zorn's "Keep Medium" is a major unnoticed liability here. As much as continuity would be great, I think Zorn has to go. He's part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Going into the offseason, I won't even say the words "New GM", as I don't think that is likely to happen, but aside from that miracle happening, ... clearly the o-line needs a couple of strong additions, and I think this should be a two year project ... a couple of players added this coming draft and 2 more the next. Additionally, I think that (and this is a big departure on my part) Campbell should be retrained for the 2010 season, and the Redskins should draft a QB high.

Go into 2010 training camp with a new HC, Campbell, Collins, Brennan, and who ever is drafted, and have an honest, open competition for the starting QB job. At the end of it, you keep three ... and if Campbell doesn't step up and clearly win the starter job, release or trade him, and let Collins/Brennan establish themselves for 2010 while developing your drafted QB for 2011.

Ideally, I'd like to see the offensive system retained ... while bringing in a good HC to oversee ... Gruden seems to be the most likely candidate that would be willing and capable of working with that scenario. Any of the other high profile guys would most likely want to install their own people/system, and we'd be in for another learning curve offensively.

In this scenario, I could see the Redskins being extremely competitive in 2010 without a major roster retooling. Most of the pieces are there ... beef up the o-line ... and find consistency at the QB spot either with or without Campbell ... a very, very short leash, and a much higher standard demanded. No more learning ... time to perform or go.

[SkinsJock]

I can see there's a good possibility that there'll most likely be more than a few riders on the bus with the banner - "Suckers for Snyder - Idiots List" - I'll be notifying you of your membership once we get to February and start to hear the predictions for next year - that is IF Snyder and Cerrato are still managing this franchise

[Paralis]

The team was upgraded on defense last offseason--the offense returned largely intact, warts and all. Which brings us to the real question regarding whether Vinny stays or goes. He's stated in his little pissfests with Zorn that he thinks we had a playoff-caliber roster. Is that what he told Snyder in April? It's really not unthinkable that they're looking at 2009 as year one of the rebuild.

The thing about rebuilding vs. improvement, though, is that it's a false choice. When you look at the Skins' roster and the cap issues, the money problems come from guys who need to be replaced no matter which approach you're taking. Jansen and Springs needed to go last year, and they went. Samuels and Thomas are pretty clearly done and have two of the largest cap numbers on the roster. Replacements need to be found for Griffin and Fletcher whether the roster gets "blown up" or not, and ARE and Portis are going to have to take paycuts to stay with the Skins in 2010 and 2011 respectively. Again, rebuild or not.

Everybody knows the Skins need more bodies on the OL, DT, LB and safety. That's more than enough to chew off going into 2010 without adding a half-dozen other ideas to that list.

[tribeofjudah]

I'm starting to think that RayNAustin is really..... Cerrato himself....!!!

[chiefhog44]

I'm starting to think that RayNAustin is really..... Cerrato himself....!!!

I was just thinking the same thing...

[Californiaskin]

No way Vinny is gone after this season.

Last month I would have said that the odds were he will be gone, but now with Thomas and Davis playing well and some of his in season moves paying off, then I can see some people (read the Danny) thinking he is actually doing a decent job.

If Vinny stays, I say keep the whole kit and kaboodle. Zorn, JC, Blanche, and even Lewis (both of them).

Purge some of the high salary players (if no cap), like CP and ARE, maybe even Griff.

I would love to see JC go, but I really don't see an upgrade out there. Plenty of QBs that we would able to replace him with and not take a performance drop off, but very few would be an upgrade and that would be small at best. But I think he has his bags mentally packed already.

crazytalk.....soups going nowhere

[Pablo]

I just wanted to add that I agree that we have talent in this team we can build around, we dont have to blow it all up. As much as I go between Cerratos picks being bad or good.. I am starting to think that most of them are good and oofcourse some misses like every body else. IF you remember, when we picked Thomas, Davis, and Kelly.. and I know Jackson was still there too, but we alreay have Moss and he can be as good giving our QB enough time to throw the ball, but all the experts we saying that Lima Sweed was the best WR and I was sold on him too.. Pittsburg took him and he is nowhere in the line up now. So look at Thomas and Davis...and I am sure Kelly will come around too... Reinhart was doing ok until he got injured..Orakpo is a beast !!! Marko Mitchell is the fans favorite after catching everything in preseason...our back DBs arent that bad!!! good backs and possible starter ..coming around pretty good.. !!!! Also, Jaromy Jarmon was also getting better until he got injured...I mean in other words, he had some misses in the beginning we al know that but in the last 3 years.. I think he has made some very good picks...

[SkinsJock]

Let's all understand and agree - the players that finally get on an NFL team are really very talented NFL players - these are the cream of the crop and some improve dramatically from their college days and some do not - The problem is not that the players are any good or not OR that the players we have might be better than some other players we could have selected - the main problem is selecting players that both fit the plan for the team and that make the other players already on the team better

Cerrato has had his chance at making this team be consistently competitive and in my opinion he has not done a bad job - he has failed miserably

please do not make any excuses - we need a new GM - anyone that does not think that is the case is delusional

[djlash]

We may not need to be "blown up" but this group will not become a consistently competitive team in the NFC East in just a year - it takes a little longer than that just to get the kind of cohesion you need for a good offensive line and we have to begin with that - we do have some other issues that we have to address but I don't think that we need to "blow it up"

we just need a GM with a plan - all the rest of the stuff we are hypothesizing about here is just for kicks

nothing really matters if we don't get a GM except we can have some fun with all the fans that think we're going to be competitive next year

I'm not sure I agree that you can't turn around a team in a year. The Dolphins of a year ago blew up the team. Brought in a new coach in Sparano and hired Bill Parcells to evaluate talent (which he is very good at) and they turned the next year into a winning season.

I don't think JC is a franchise quarter back but really what are the options? Drafting a QB isn't going to help the O-Line which is mediocre at best.

I don't think blowing up the team is the answer. Getting a younger and better offensive line and giving the another year without putting in a new system will certainly help

[SkinsJock]

It's kind of amusing that so many people here look at how something is possible because of what someone else did OR because of what happened on another team - why don't you keep this real simple for dummies like me and point out to me the factors that are here, within, or a part of this franchise, that are going to cause things to get better here

we are a bad team, we are not close to being a consistently competitive team - the reason we are going to have a high draft pick is because the group of players that according to our personnel manager were capable of making the playoffs, did not make this team that much better than last year - as a matter of fact when the players and coaches that Cerrato thought were so good were coaching & playing, we looked a lot worse

WAKE UP - FOR CRYING OUT LOUD we are not getting better with these guys running things and have little to no chance of doing anything because "look at what they did in MIami ..... " THIS IS DC and Snyder is in charge - STOP THINKING LIKE THAT - it's stupid

[SkinsJock]

We don't need to blow up the team and we could make things a lot better here in a short period BUT the only chance of accomplishing that is with a new GM who has the responsibility for selecting the players and coaches

[tribeofjudah]

We don't need to blow up the team and we could make things a lot better here in a short period BUT the only chance of accomplishing that is with a new GM who has the responsibility for selecting the players and coaches

wow....looks exactly like what was said at the start of thread...

[SkinsJock]

there were just some parts in the middle there that were so ridiculous - IMO, the point need to be re-iterated

[djlash]

It's kind of amusing that so many people here look at how something is possible because of what someone else did OR because of what happened on another team - why don't you keep this real simple for dummies like me and point out to me the factors that are here, within, or a part of this franchise, that are going to cause things to get better here

we are a bad team, we are not close to being a consistently competitive team - the reason we are going to have a high draft pick is because the group of players that according to our personnel manager were capable of making the playoffs, did not make this team that much better than last year - as a matter of fact when the players and coaches that Cerrato thought were so good were coaching & playing, we looked a lot worse

WAKE UP - FOR CRYING OUT LOUD we are not getting better with these guys running things and have little to no chance of doing anything because "look at what they did in MIami ..... " THIS IS DC and Snyder is in charge - STOP THINKING LIKE THAT - it's stupid

I was making an overall observation on what I think would be best for the team in the off season. You don't have to be rude and say my thought process is stupid. I know Dan Snyder has a loosing record as an owner, and isn't popular with the fans but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon so why even discuss that point?

As someone who has lived in Phili for the past 6 years I have watched as the Eagles blow by us each year and reach the playoffs consistantly has been torture. The recipe for success isn't difficult and my hope for the coming season is that we don't undergo another huge change with the team because it never ends up being successful in DC.

I would like to see another year of Zorn/Lewis running the offense with a restocked offensive line. I don't think JC is the franchise quarterback like McNabb or Manning but drafting a rookie in the 1st round doesn't solve any problems in the near future and if we use the Sanchez and Stafford comparison of starting rookies we are apt to have the same result as this season.

Dan Snyder being an idiot aside, my Miami comparison was to simply state that it isn't outside the relm of possibility to turn around a franchise in a year...unlikely but not impossible.

[SkinsJock]

It's kind of amusing that so many people here look at how something is possible because of what someone else did OR because of what happened on another team - why don't you keep this real simple for dummies like me and point out to me the factors that are here, within, or a part of this franchise, that are going to cause things to get better here

we are a bad team, we are not close to being a consistently competitive team - the reason we are going to have a high draft pick is because the group of players that according to our personnel manager were capable of making the playoffs, did not make this team that much better than last year - as a matter of fact when the players and coaches that Cerrato thought were so good were coaching & playing, we looked a lot worse
WAKE UP - FOR CRYING OUT LOUD we are not getting better with these guys running things and have little to no chance of doing anything because "look at what they did in MIami ..... " THIS IS DC and Snyder is in charge - STOP THINKING LIKE THAT - it's stupid

I was making an overall observation on what I think would be best for the team in the off season. You don't have to be rude and say my thought process is stupid. I know Dan Snyder has a loosing record as an owner, and isn't popular with the fans but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon so why even discuss that point?

As someone who has lived in Phili for the past 6 years I have watched as the Eagles blow by us each year and reach the playoffs consistantly has been torture. The recipe for success isn't difficult and my hope for the coming season is that we don't undergo another huge change with the team because it never ends up being successful in DC.

I would like to see another year of Zorn/Lewis running the offense with a restocked offensive line. I don't think JC is the franchise quarterback like McNabb or Manning but drafting a rookie in the 1st round doesn't solve any problems in the near future and if we use the Sanchez and Stafford comparison of starting rookies we are apt to have the same result as this season.

Dan Snyder being an idiot aside, my Miami comparison was to simply state that it isn't outside the relm of possibility to turn around a franchise in a year...unlikely but not impossible.

no worries - I did not mean you are stupid, I was more aluding to the thought process used by some that things might 'work' here because they work elsewhere or that a player might be successful here because he was effective elsewhere - Jason Taylor is a good example of a player that was brought here by Snyder and Cerrato and did not fit in very well - NOT because he's not a great player, he is, but because he does not suit what we do - he's playing great again in Miami, DUH - we need a plan and people that know the NFL and how to execute that plan

the guys in charge here have no idea of how to manage a team and it is frustrating to think we could be a lot more successful with a GM that has a plan and knows how to select players and coaches that fit that plan

I know that Snyder is not going anywhere - I'm not sure where you thought that was even discussed - I'm one that understands that BUT I want him to Fire Cerrato and bring in a GM and look like a genius (we all know he's not) as we become a consistently competitive franchise - we cannot do that with him managing this team but we have a chance if he stops - he can look like a genius and tell all of the idiots he hangs out with that he's the one who made the team be what it is - just like he's the one that is responsible for the situation we are in right now

[Redskin in Canada]

I know Dan Snyder has a loosing record as an owner, and isn't popular with the fans but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon so why even discuss that point?

Do you mean to say that you have a say on ANYTHING else related to the future of this team???

Game planning? Play calling? Play execution? HC selection? Player selection? the Draft? Free Agency? Cheerleader competitions? Ticket prices? Parking policies? Concesion price fixing? Jumbotron? Restricted view seats? No?

Well ... how about water boy drafting? Neither?

We will have very little to discuss then. Soooooo ...

The recipe for success isn't difficult and my hope for the coming season is that we don't undergo another huge change with the team because it never ends up being successful in DC.

I ask you a question:

IF we have a new HUGE change, say HC and QB, who will you hold accountable and make responsible for yet another failure of this team?

I will remind you ... if you are still around the board then.

I have witnessed runners who do not come back to the board once they are exposed to a losing argument.

[djlash]

I know Dan Snyder has a loosing record as an owner, and isn't popular with the fans but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon so why even discuss that point?

Do you mean to say that you have a say on ANYTHING else related to the future of this team???

Game planning? Play calling? Play execution? HC selection? Player selection? the Draft? Free Agency? Cheerleader competitions? Ticket prices? Parking policies? Concesion price fixing? Jumbotron? Restricted view seats? No?

Well ... how about water boy drafting? Neither?

We will have very little to discuss then. Soooooo ...

The recipe for success isn't difficult and my hope for the coming season is that we don't undergo another huge change with the team because it never ends up being successful in DC.

I ask you a question:

IF we have a new HUGE change, say HC and QB, who will you hold accountable and make responsible for yet another failure of this team?

I will remind you ... if you are still around the board then.

I have witnessed runners who do not come back to the board once they are exposed to a losing argument.

RIC- I'm not sure I completely understand your point. I'm in agreement that our owner doesn't know how to run a winning franchise (profitable however) his record bears that out. I don't have a say on anything, I'm just a frustrated fan like you. I wasn't making an attempt at posturing my knowledge on the running of an NFL franchise. I suppose my opinion is that wholesale change hasn't worked out for the past 10 years and it isn't beyond the possibility (my Miami reference) that with a really good draft of the offensive line that the team can be successful in the current system.

I'm enjoying this website. We have a group of skins fans that loyally trudge out to a bar here in Phili every week to watch our team get their ass handed to them in a room full of Eagles, Giants and Steelers fans, so I would hope you are not thinking of telling me I'm not a true fan.... cause it ain't like sitting in your living room

[Redskin in Canada]

First of all, a measure of ovelooked decency on my part.

Welcome to the board brother. I hope you enjoy it here.

Let go to your latest post in this thread:

RIC- I'm not sure I completely understand your point. I'm in agreement that our owner doesn't know how to run a winning franchise (profitable however) his record bears that out. I don't have a say on anything, I'm just a frustrated fan like you. I wasn't making an attempt at posturing my knowledge on the running of an NFL franchise. I suppose my opinion is that wholesale change hasn't worked out for the past 10 years and it isn't beyond the possibility (my Miami reference) that with a really good draft of the offensive line that the team can be successful in the current system.

I do not disagree with your (or the Miami source) requirements to improve, all the contrary. I agree that the priority is OL and a few other well chosen spots ... -IF-

They arepart of a well established PLAN put together by a knowledgeable General Manager who knows where to make them at discovers talent and depth where it is neeeded.

BUT this is precisely what it is NOT GONNA HAPPEN !!!

Let me simplify it for you:

I am telling you that HUGE CHANGE will take place again. New system. New Head Coach. New QB. New RB.

The owner will playFantasy yet AGAIN !!!

That is why we hold Danny te Clown responsible. That is why this franchise has been mediocre.

I'm enjoying this website. We have a group of skins fans that loyally trudge out to a bar here in Phili every week to watch our team get their ass handed to them in a room full of Eagles, Giants and Steelers fans, so I would hope you are not thinking of telling me I'm not a true fan.... cause it ain't like sitting in your living room

Look brother, let's getitstraight, you are a GREAT fan.

Anybody wo has gone over a decade of MEDIOCRITY and still wears burgundy and gold proudly is a TRUE fan.

Peace,

RiC

[RayNAustin]

Let's all understand and agree - the players that finally get on an NFL team are really very talented NFL players - these are the cream of the crop and some improve dramatically from their college days and some do not - The problem is not that the players are any good or not OR that the players we have might be better than some other players we could have selected - the main problem is selecting players that both fit the plan for the team and that make the other players already on the team better

Cerrato has had his chance at making this team be consistently competitive and in my opinion he has not done a bad job - he has failed miserably

please do not make any excuses - we need a new GM - anyone that does not think that is the case is delusional

The only thing delusional is thinking that Cerrato is actually in charge of the major decisions that have negatively affected the franchise. Cerrato is Snyder's surrogate, and not a true GM .... at least up until the beginning of 2008.

Now if getting rid of Cerrato means Snyder handing over the reins to a completely autonomous GM that has exclusive control ... then yes, getting rid of Cerrato would be beneficial. But those two things are separate issues, and if Snyder continues to exercise his ownership authority over personnel decisions with a new surrogate GM, then little will likely be achieved.

Once again, from 2004 - 2007, these decisions were primarily Joe Gibbs, and I'll declare straight out that there IS NO WAY Gibbs choices were overridden by Snyder, nor would Snyder EVER defer to Cerrato over Gibbs. Gibbs was the defacto GM durring that time .... He selected Mark Brunell, he selected Greg Williams and the rest of the staff, and he selected all of the rest of the players ... many of which turned out to be either under achievers or total disasters ... TJ Ducket, David Patten, Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuletta, Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell. Over that 4 years, what did Gibbs do relative to the offensive line? How many key defensive players were traded or left under Gibbs ... Bailey ... Smoot ... Pierce ... Clark ... Harris. Who allowed the defensive staff to sit a pro bowl LB (Arrington) and replace him with a subservient body (Holdeman) who did what he was told but was probably the worst starting LB in the NFL for 2 years?

Memories are short around here. Cerrato, the whipping boy wasn't responsible for all of those decisions, and I'll say again that the 2008 and 2009 draft picks are proving to be more successful than what Gibbs produced in his entire 4 years controlling things.

And I'll just add that measured against good football teams over the past several games, the Redskins were very competitive, losing three games to good teams by a total of 7 points combined.

The fact that this offense was horribly prepared to start the season, unable to put up even a modicum of NFL level output against a horrendously weak schedule of opponents was a residual of Joe Gibbs personnel decisions (Jason Campbell), and Dan Snyder's choice in Head Coach who was brought in to coach him up and revamp the offense.

Was Zorn put in a no-win situation? Was Jason Campbell a victim of ever changing systems ALL HIS LIFE or was Jason Campbell's lack of production part of the reason why Auburn changed offensive coordinators 4 times in his 4 years of college?

[DEHog]

Let's all understand and agree - the players that finally get on an NFL team are really very talented NFL players - these are the cream of the crop and some improve dramatically from their college days and some do not - The problem is not that the players are any good or not OR that the players we have might be better than some other players we could have selected - the main problem is selecting players that both fit the plan for the team and that make the other players already on the team better

Cerrato has had his chance at making this team be consistently competitive and in my opinion he has not done a bad job - he has failed miserably

please do not make any excuses - we need a new GM - anyone that does not think that is the case is delusional

The only thing delusional is thinking that Cerrato is actually in charge of the major decisions that have negatively affected the franchise. Cerrato is Snyder's surrogate, and not a true GM .... at least up until the beginning of 2008.

Now if getting rid of Cerrato means Snyder handing over the reins to a completely autonomous GM that has exclusive control ... then yes, getting rid of Cerrato would be beneficial. But those two things are separate issues, and if Snyder continues to exercise his ownership authority over personnel decisions with a new surrogate GM, then little will likely be achieved.

Once again, from 2004 - 2007, these decisions were primarily Joe Gibbs, and I'll declare straight out that there IS NO WAY Gibbs choices were overridden by Snyder, nor would Snyder EVER defer to Cerrato over Gibbs. Gibbs was the defacto GM durring that time .... He selected Mark Brunell, he selected Greg Williams and the rest of the staff, and he selected all of the rest of the players ... many of which turned out to be either under achievers or total disasters ... TJ Ducket, David Patten, Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuletta, Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell. Over that 4 years, what did Gibbs do relative to the offensive line? How many key defensive players were traded or left under Gibbs ... Bailey ... Smoot ... Pierce ... Clark ... Harris. Who allowed the defensive staff to sit a pro bowl LB (Arrington) and replace him with a subservient body (Holdeman) who did what he was told but was probably the worst starting LB in the NFL for 2 years?

Memories are short around here. Cerrato, the whipping boy wasn't responsible for all of those decisions, and I'll say again that the 2008 and 2009 draft picks are proving to be more successful than what Gibbs produced in his entire 4 years controlling things.

And I'll just add that measured against good football teams over the past several games, the Redskins were very competitive, losing three games to good teams by a total of 7 points combined.

The fact that this offense was horribly prepared to start the season, unable to put up even a modicum of NFL level output against a horrendously weak schedule of opponents was a residual of Joe Gibbs personnel decisions (Jason Campbell), and Dan Snyder's choice in Head Coach who was brought in to coach him up and revamp the offense.

Was Zorn put in a no-win situation? Was Jason Campbell a victim of ever changing systems ALL HIS LIFE or was Jason Campbell's lack of production part of the reason why Auburn changed offensive coordinators 4 times in his 4 years of college?

Ray...nice ost and I agree except...

I'll declare straight out that there IS NO WAY Gibbs choices were overridden by Snyder, nor would Snyder EVER defer to Cerrato over Gibbs

If you mean draft choices than I agree...I will never believe that Saunders was a Gibbs choice...if fact IMO it's what led to his resignation.

[djlash]

First of all, a measure of ovelooked decency on my part.

Welcome to the board brother. I hope you enjoy it here.

Let go to your latest post in this thread:

RIC- I'm not sure I completely understand your point. I'm in agreement that our owner doesn't know how to run a winning franchise (profitable however) his record bears that out. I don't have a say on anything, I'm just a frustrated fan like you. I wasn't making an attempt at posturing my knowledge on the running of an NFL franchise. I suppose my opinion is that wholesale change hasn't worked out for the past 10 years and it isn't beyond the possibility (my Miami reference) that with a really good draft of the offensive line that the team can be successful in the current system.

I do not disagree with your (or the Miami source) requirements to improve, all the contrary. I agree that the priority is OL and a few other well chosen spots ... -IF-

They arepart of a well established PLAN put together by a knowledgeable General Manager who knows where to make them at discovers talent and depth where it is neeeded.

BUT this is precisely what it is NOT GONNA HAPPEN !!!

Let me simplify it for you:

I am telling you that HUGE CHANGE will take place again. New system. New Head Coach. New QB. New RB.

The owner will playFantasy yet AGAIN !!!

That is why we hold Danny te Clown responsible. That is why this franchise has been mediocre.

I'm enjoying this website. We have a group of skins fans that loyally trudge out to a bar here in Phili every week to watch our team get their ass handed to them in a room full of Eagles, Giants and Steelers fans, so I would hope you are not thinking of telling me I'm not a true fan.... cause it ain't like sitting in your living room

Look brother, let's getitstraight, you are a GREAT fan.

Anybody wo has gone over a decade of MEDIOCRITY and still wears burgundy and gold proudly is a TRUE fan.

Peace,

RiC

Thanks RiC! Unfortunately I think Snyder will blow up the team once again too. Isn't that the definition of insanity?! Repeating the same event in hopes of a different outcome?

I'm holding out hope...very little however that the tons of bad press he (Snyder) and Cerrato got this season will help him finally see how upset the fans are and he will make a move for a good GM. Bill Polian comes to mind. But alas... I fear you are right. I remember them saying that they were going to keep Saunders and they ended up firing him after the fact.

Good posting!